SHould Bill Barr be investigated and impeached if OIG report is as expected?

[Moon]

I thought telling something that is not true is a lie. You can lie by commission or by omission. Barr knew what he was saying was not the truth.

If that can be proven, then it would be a lie.

 

[Praxas]

I realize how Liberasl think name calling is a crime. It isn't. Your hurt feewings don't count. However falsifying testimony and evidence is. Whod a thunk

I didn't say name calling was a crime, however, false accusations of crimes is slander. so you either apply your standards to all or not at all. Take your pick con. I told you I'm more than happy to take the whole bunch I listed out of congress, presidency and the cabinet. It's YOU who doesn't want to apply the standard to all which makes your comments hypocritical partisan garbage.

 

[Condor060]

Sorry, but if it walks like a duck and sounds like a duck, it probably is a duck. I do not think Trump is a Russian "plant", but Trump certainly seems to owe something to Putin and Russia that keeps him in line. If that is not true, then I wonder why everything Trump does leads back to Russia.

Sure. Trump killing 150 Russians, expelling 60 Russian Oligarchs, and weaponizing Ukraine is a sure fire way to get on Putins good side. Why didn't I think of that.

 

[Condor060]

I've never heard that Adam Schiff claimed he had evidence that Trump is a planted agent

Then you are way out of your depth here. Maybe a cooking forum would be a better choice.

 

[Condor060]

I didn't say name calling was a crime, however, false accusations of crimes is slander.

If slander was a crime you would all be in prison. Give me a break.

 

[HumblePi]

Sure. Trump killing 150 Russians, expelling 60 Russian Oligarchs, and weaponizing Ukraine is a sure fire way to get on Putins good side. Why didn't I think of that.

Trump had to do something on behalf of the United States to show support for the UK and to decry the attempted murder of a resident of the UK. Russia did the deed, no doubt about it. Using chemical warfare is against the Geneva Convention and was condemned internationally. If Trump didn't do something-- anything to retaliate against Russia, he would certainly have received a tidal wave of negative criticism from his own party. He gets no stars from me or anyone else for doing exactly what was expected of him to do. Theresa May called the broad move "the largest collective expulsion of Russian intelligence officers in history." And it was necessary for Trump to make that move or he would have been roasted globally for not doing so.

But it is your claim that Trump "killed 150 Russians" that stinks to high heaven. Please post a link from a reputable news sources that verify your claim that Trump killed 150 Russians. And don't post any crap from Fox or The Daily Caller or Breitbart. Please find a verification from a main stream valid news source.

 

[HumblePi]

Then you are way out of your depth here. Maybe a cooking forum would be a better choice.

Your lame attempts at patronizing a woman doesn't work with me. Perhaps it does on your slave-wife, if you have one, but not me. I clearly and simply asked you to verify your statement that Adam Schiff claimed that "he has evidence that Trump is a planted agent". Obviously you have no such proof, so you deflect by trying to insult me.

Well it doesn't work and you're on the spot now to produce evidence of your claim or just admit you lied. And let me give you a little news flash, if you cannot back up your erroneous statements with facts, then you are not to be taken seriously by me or anyone else here. You are way out of your depth with me.

 

[Paradoxical]

The same way woodward and bernstein got theirs, through concerned sources inside the government.

Concerned sources leak a report? Why would they do that? Where would they get it from? I thought there was no deep state? That they CLAIM there was no spying on Trump when everyone with a brain knows there was already?

 

[The AntiDonald]

I'll wait for the report.

How did a news outlet get the scoop before anyone else?

That's what the media does. They have connections. If it turns out the reporting was wrong, then complain. Who cares how they got it if it's true?

 

[Paradoxical]

Trump had to do something on behalf of the United States to show support for the UK and to decry the attempted murder of a resident of the UK. Russia did the deed, no doubt about it. Using chemical warfare is against the Geneva Convention and was condemned internationally. If Trump didn't do something-- anything to retaliate against Russia, he would certainly have received a tidal wave of negative criticism from his own party. He gets no stars from me or anyone else for doing exactly what was expected of him to do. Theresa May called the broad move "the largest collective expulsion of Russian intelligence officers in history." And it was necessary for Trump to make that move or he would have been roasted globally for not doing so.

But it is your claim that Trump "killed 150 Russians" that stinks to high heaven. Please post a link from a reputable news sources that verify your claim that Trump killed 150 Russians. And don't post any crap from Fox or The Daily Caller or Breitbart. Please find a verification from a main stream valid news source.

This whole canard about Trump being cozy with Putin is old and stale now.

 

[The AntiDonald]

Better get a refund, they are clearly wrong. Well applying YOUR logic standards, Obama didn't lie either, he was just wrong. :lamo Your wordsmithing is pathetic. Yes, he lies. Saying he KNOWS there was spying and there wasn't is a lie.

Obama wasn't under oath in a senate confirmation hearing. Trump lied more than Obama did in 8 years in his first month in office. Trump was lying about Obama long before he became president.

 

[dairyair]

It would only be a lie if he knew there was no spying yet claimed that there was. Even if the IG report states definitively there was no spying, how could he have known that when he made the statement?

If he didn't know, he shouldn't make a public statement. Except to say, it is undetermined.

 

[The AntiDonald]

Sure. Trump killing 150 Russians, expelling 60 Russian Oligarchs, and weaponizing Ukraine is a sure fire way to get on Putins good side. Why didn't I think of that.

All required by congressional mandate with veto proof votes. Trump resisted as long as he could.

 

[Paradoxical]

That's what the media does. They have connections. If it turns out the reporting was wrong, then complain. Who cares how they got it if it's true?

Deep state stuff

 

[Condor060]

Your lame attempts at patronizing a woman doesn't work with me. Perhaps it does on your slave-wife, if you have one, but not me. I clearly and simply asked you to verify your statement that Adam Schiff claimed that "he has evidence that Trump is a planted agent". Obviously you have no such proof, so you deflect by trying to insult me.

Well it doesn't work and you're on the spot now to produce evidence of your claim or just admit you lied. And let me give you a little news flash, if you cannot back up your erroneous statements with facts, then you are not to be taken seriously by me or anyone else here. You are way out of your depth with me.

First off, I didn't make my post because you're a woman. How was I supposed to know. I made my post because Schiff has been on the news for 3 years now making Russia Russia Russia claims. Its been the topic of news ever since the Mueller report flopped. Everyone asking Schiff where all this evidence he claimed he had. Thet fact that you have no clue about one of the most talked about controversial claims against Trump means you are severally misinformed.

So what are you doing on a political debate site when you don't even recall one of the most hyped political news broadcast in years. Heres just a few you can start with.





If you need a few hundred more just let me know

 

[Utility Man]

This whole canard about Trump being cozy with Putin is old and stale now.

:elephantf:usflag2:

 

[Condor060]

Trump had to do something on behalf of the United States to show support for the UK and to decry the attempted murder of a resident of the UK. Russia did the deed, no doubt about it. Using chemical warfare is against the Geneva Convention and was condemned internationally. If Trump didn't do something-- anything to retaliate against Russia, he would certainly have received a tidal wave of negative criticism from his own party. He gets no stars from me or anyone else for doing exactly what was expected of him to do. Theresa May called the broad move "the largest collective expulsion of Russian intelligence officers in history." And it was necessary for Trump to make that move or he would have been roasted globally for not doing so.

But it is your claim that Trump "killed 150 Russians" that stinks to high heaven. Please post a link from a reputable news sources that verify your claim that Trump killed 150 Russians. And don't post any crap from Fox or The Daily Caller or Breitbart. Please find a verification from a main stream valid news source.

OMG, You don't even know about his attack on Syria? Just when did you decide to get into political debates. A few months ago?

Mike Pompeo Confirms Hundreds of Russians Killed in Syria | Time

 

[apdst]

Bill Barr Lied to Congress About FBI Spying | Law & Crime
It sounds like the OIG report is going to say no "spying" by the FBI on Trump before and during the 2016 election. Now the question is, did Bill Barr lie under oath when he said there was spying when he testified before congress? If it shows he did lie, should he be removed from office?

The IG doesn't outrank the AG. If the AG believes something illegal occured and wants to investigate, he has that authority.

 

[apdst]

AH, but why say there was if he did not know? That in itself is a lie because he said there was spying when he did not know. The truth would have been I do not know, but it is being investigated.

How do you know the IG isn't lying; suppressing evidence?

 

[redbeer]

The better question is how could he possibly make that assumption without any facts? Just so everyone knows, the FBI doesn't 'spy', that's what the KGB does. The FBI conducts 'surveillance'. Simply using that same terminology, William Barr shows what his intention was, it was to cast doubt on the same agencies that protect this country every single day.

William Barr is toxic and yes, he should not only be investigated but impeached as well.

Good Lord.....as you say, "the FBI doesn't spy....the FBI conducts surveillance"....more word games? What's the difference?....We will see with the FISA warrants, but they definitely were spying on Carter Page...oops I mean "surveilling", lol. Impeach Barr....goodness gracious sakes alive...you people are too tuney for me.

 

[apdst]

The better question is how could he possibly make that assumption without any facts? Just so everyone knows, the FBI doesn't 'spy', that's what the KGB does. The FBI conducts 'surveillance'. Simply using that same terminology, William Barr shows what his intention was, it was to cast doubt on the same agencies that protect this country every single day.

William Barr is toxic and yes, he should not only be investigated but impeached as well.

Would it make you feel better to call it "illegal surveillance"?

 

[apdst]

Bill Barr and his keeper Trump should be run out of town on a rail after the traditional ceremony of tar and feathering. They are both a disgrace to their high offices.

That's a call for illegal violence upon the president.

 

[apdst]

If he didn't know there was spying, why say there was spying? You are making no sense in your defense. He should have said I think there is spying. He didn't say that, he said there was spying.

Who said there was no spying?

 

[haymarket]

That's a call for illegal violence upon the president.

Trump would NOT be the president when he is rode out of town on a rail. He gets impeached first. And you are confusing the public disgrace and intended humiliation of the act with violence - which it is not. It is an American tradition.

 

[bongsaway]

Concerned sources leak a report? Why would they do that? Where would they get it from? I thought there was no deep state? That they CLAIM there was no spying on Trump when everyone with a brain knows there was already?

Uh huh. I'm guessing the brainy folks to which you are referring are also the trump supporters. After all his base is almost the stable geniuses trump is. Wanna bet the report comes out and says no spying? Still amazes me how so many on the right will believe the most outlandish fiction but facts don't seem to penetrate.