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Should all States implement mandatory (2 weeks) vacation minimums-Stat holidays – mat

Should all States implement mandatory (2 weeks) vacation minimums-Stat holidays – mat


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Re: Should all States implement mandatory (2 weeks) vacation minimums-Stat holidays –

Also unless there is also a mandatory Paternity and guys are compelled to use it forced paid maternity leave will be dealt with my resisting the hiring of women. Only an idiot would hire a woman over a man all other things equal in that case. Actually the woman would need to be far superior to a man applicant to justify hiring her, the smaller the outfit the greater the imperative to keep women out.

In Canada it is maternity/paternity leave and can be split between. The mother can take can the first 2 weeks then the father takes the rest of it, any combination really.
 
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In Canada it is maternity/paternity leave and can be split between. The mother can take can the first 2 weeks then the father takes the rest of it, any combination really.

Two weeks is almost nothing, and in Europe they are finding that they need to almost force guys to take it. Splitting does not alter the calculus that employers have a self interest in avoiding the hiring of women.
 
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sure why not... let's make it 52 weeks of mandatory vacation , paid at triple time while we're at it.


seriously, i think we should leave it be... paid vacation days are part of the benefits package.... there's no need to remove one of the important tools firms use to attract and retain employees.
 
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Leftists are constantly whining that business don't pay a "living wage", blah blah blah. Then they support policies that cost businesses tons of money. Do they think that by making business more expensive to conduct, businesses are going to magically have more money to pay wage increases? They just don't get it. :doh

Everything is a Leftist plot.
 
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sure why not... let's make it 52 weeks of mandatory vacation , paid at triple time while we're at it.


seriously, i think we should leave it be... paid vacation days are part of the benefits package.... there's no need to remove one of the important tools firms use to attract and retain employees.

The alleged reason is to stick it to the ruling class. What these people miss is that the more we screw up the functioning of the job market the more problems that we create. There has to be a better way to remove the ability of the ruling class to pick our pocket, markets need to work.
 
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Everything is a Leftist plot.

Not everything. ;)

Besides, I never said this was a "plot", just wrongheaded thinking.
 
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The alleged reason is to stick it to the ruling class. What these people miss is that the more we screw up the functioning of the job market the more problems that we create. There has to be a better way to remove the ability of the ruling class to pick our pockets.

Ruling class??? Care to define that?
 
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Not everything. ;)

Besides, I never said this was a "plot", just wrongheaded thinking.

The Stats show, the bottom, approx 30-40 of wage earners have no vacation times.
 
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Ruling class??? Care to define that?

Ruling Class/Elite/Coastal Elite have not yet been definitively defined by the collective, as we have a very long history of trying to pretend that America does not have classes. . Most of the people who are included in these groups tend to dispute that they even exist, they claim that what we are looking at is a lot of individuals looking after their own self interests who are not scheming with others to advance their interests as a group. And attempt as working out a definition even amongst us at DP would run at least 50 pages.

So no, I would rather not.

I will say that re this particular thread one of the top 3 arguments for the $15/H min wage in Seattle where I spend a lot of time and two of my kids live in and that my wife works in is that the owners of this society have the power to exploit workers, that the job market no longer works, and that one sure way to make sure that they are skimming less wealth off the collective is to force them to pay a higher min wage, which will in turn force them to raise almost everyone's wages as they must maintain paygrades in the organization that reflect the value of the worker. What the citizens are attempting to do is something like what the NBA does, where labor by design collects a certain high percentage of the value added by the work that is done. Now most of these people know that a $15 min wage is going to mean that some people are going to get paid more than the value of their work, at this point they turn around and say that these low value workers have to get at least that in order to afford to live in the city. As for new problems introduced into the labor market by these laws they say they first we have to try it out, and if their are problems that need to be dealt with then we will work on them later, but the main thing is to get the people the money they need to live and stick it to the owners of businesses. They also tend to doubt that higher min wages will actually cause any problems major enough that they need to be addressed.


The problem with this kind of thinking is that once they tie cost of living to the scheme wages no longer have any connection to the value of the work. Seattle rents went up 8.5% last year (largely because the city is always going to the voters asking for more money which is gotten from property taxes, and unfortunately far too many citizens are too stupid to know that they end up paying for these, not the wealthy, so the voters almost always approve) , and this has been the trend for a few years, and it looks like there is no end in sight. It will not be long before these cities that have done this will become too expensive to do business in. We are already seeing this in Silicon valley and SF.
 
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The Stats show, the bottom, approx 30-40 of wage earners have no vacation times.

Yeah, so?
 
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Ruling Class/Elite/Coastal Elite have not yet been definitively defined by the collective, as we have a very long history of trying to pretend that America does not have classes. . Most of the people who are included in these groups tend to dispute that they even exist, they claim that what we are looking at is a lot of individuals looking after their own self interests who are not scheming with others to advance their interests as a group. And attempt as working out a definition even amongst us at DP would run at least 50 pages.

So no, I would rather not.

I will say that re this particular thread one of the top 3 arguments for the $15/H min wage in Seattle where I spend a lot of time and two of my kids live in and that my wife works in is that the owners of this society have the power to exploit workers, that the job market no longer works, and that one sure way to make sure that they are skimming less wealth off the collective is to force them to pay a higher min wage, which will in turn force them to raise almost everyone's wages as they must maintain paygrades in the organization that reflect the value of the worker. What the citizens are attempting to do is something like what the NBA does, where labor by design collects a certain high percentage of the value added by the work that is done. Now most of these people know that a $15 min wage is going to mean that some people are going to get paid more than the value of their work, at this point they turn around and say that these low value workers have to get at least that in order to afford to live in the city. As for new problems introduced into the labor market by these laws they say they first we have to try it out, and if their are problems that need to be dealt with then we will work on them later, but the main thing is to get the people the money they need to live and stick it to the owners of businesses. They also tend to doubt that higher min wages will actually cause any problems major enough that they need to be addressed.


The problem with this kind of thinking is that once they tie cost of living to the scheme wages no longer have any connection to the value of the work. Seattle rents went up 8.5% last year (largely because the city is always going to the voters asking for more money which is gotten from property taxes, and unfortunately far too many citizens are too stupid to know that they end up paying for these, not the wealthy, so the voters almost always approve) , and this has been the trend for a few years, and it looks like there is no end in sight. It will not be long before these cities that have done this will become too expensive to do business in. We are already seeing this is Silicon valley and SF.

So a living wage for the most part is repugnant to you.
 
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Yeah, so?

Asking so called victims to show damages is not allowed in victim culture. By definition a victim is anyone who views themselves as a victim, you must know this. The feminists have told us so, and they are never to be disputed.
 
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So a living wage for the most part is repugnant to you.

I am a socialist so no, but so long as we are a capitalist society, or even so much as claim that we are, yes. Labor markets need to work as do all other markets in a capitalist system, otherwise the system breaks down.
 
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Asking so called victims to show damages is not allowed in victim culture. By definition a victim is anyone who views themselves as a victim, you must know this. The feminists have told us so, and they are never to be disputed.

:roll:
 
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I am a socialist so no, but so long as we are a capitalist society, or even so much as claim that we are, yes. Labor markets need to work as do all other markets in a capitalist system, otherwise the system breaks down.
Well you speak like a capitalist. Have the beliefs that hammering the poor protects the elite.
 
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Another lazy drive-by from you. This is why you will never be my friend.
 
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The Stats show, the bottom, approx 30-40 of wage earners have no vacation times.

Greetings, JANFU. :2wave:

In the corporation I worked for, which was manufacturing as opposed to health care, government employment, or something else, vacation time was based on years of service. Everyone got two weeks after a year, three weeks after five years, on up to a total of six weeks after thirty years. You could use as much as you wanted on a yearly basis, and bank the rest for retirement. Everyone seemed satisfied with that.

Maternity leave? When you knew you were pregnant, you were required to bring in a letter from your doctor stating your approximate due date, and you were required to leave six weeks before that date, and if you intended to return to work, you had two months after birthing to do so. Since pregnant women are not the most graceful creatures on the planet, companies worry about women falling or otherwise harming themselves, so that also seemed fair. I don't know what the rules are now under Obamacare, but the old system worked very well for everyone back then.
 
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Should all States implement mandatory (2 weeks) vacation minimums-Stat holidays – maternity leave?
Yes
No
Other –Please explain

Mandatory Statutory Holidays -Paid for it - if worked paid at higher rate
Yes
No
Other –Please explain

Maternity leave
Yes
No
Other –Please explain

We should have permanent maternity leave, as in, all married men should be payed a family wage, sufficient to support their family without their wife working.
 
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Well you speak like a capitalist. Have the beliefs that hammering the poor protects the elite.

I owned a business so I have been a capitalist, but mainly what you see is a person who has learned to understand their advisory, and those who support their advisary. What we can not do is pretend like we are a capitalist nation and then not do capitalism. We need to be clear about what we are doing, you will for instance see me very hostile to how bankruptcy is used. In a capitalist system those who lose need to die.

You are guilty of prejudging me, I think because I support Trump. Keep your eyes and your mind open, you will find that you and I agree on a lot.
 
Re: Should all States implement mandatory (2 weeks) vacation minimums-Stat holidays –

I owned a business so I have been a capitalist, but mainly what you see is a person who has learned to understand their advisory, and those who support their advisary. What we can not do is pretend like we are a capitalist nation and then not do capitalism. We need to be clear about what we are doing, you will for instance see me very hostile to how bankruptcy is used. In a capitalist system those who lose need to die.

You are guilty of prejudging me, I think because I support Trump. Keep your eyes and your mind open, you will find that you and I agree on a lot.

No, I believe a society is judged on a number of factors
Protecting & caring for the weak
Protecting and caring for the ill
Protecting and caring for the elderly
Helping the working poor and those that need a social safety net.
My wife and I are upper income in Canada, taxes are higher, but we, Canada, have a strong sense & responsibility of caring for the above.
The above list can be added to, but it covers some, but not all of a societies responsibilities
 
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No, I believe a society is judged on a number of factors
Protecting & caring for the weak
Protecting and caring for the ill
Protecting and caring for the elderly
Helping the working poor and those that need a social safety net.
My wife and I are upper income in Canada, taxes are higher, but we, Canada, have a strong sense & responsibility of caring for the above.
The above list can be added to, but it covers some, but not all of a societies responsibilities

That is victim culture, I know it well, everything revolves around the victims. The only reason Canada is anything is that you share a border with a superpower. But this superpower is dying, now you are going to have to learn to survive this global economy on a equal footing with everyone else.

It is going to be hard for you, that is for sure. You will find that you can no longer afford victim culture.
 
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Another lazy drive-by from you. This is why you will never be my friend.

That's not why.
 
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That's not why.

Another no value post from you.

Why are you in this thread if you cant come up with anything to say on the topic?

I think I know, but let's hear your version of the story.
 
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Well let's see. I run a profit margin of 15%. I pay Mr. Muffet $ 5000 a month, or $ 2500 every two weeks.(we won't go into loaded wage).

That means at a 15% margin, each two week laid leave has to be financed by ~$17,000 in sales, times the number of two week paid leaves I'm required to grant.

You can assume I'm already doing everything I can do to increase sales, so the only thing left to do is raise taxes. But historically when that happens, sales go down, and I have to lay people off, stop investing in business growth, take a cut in pay, or sell out.

From where I sit, it appears obvious that the government's social engineers want me to hire "H" visa employees.
 
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