should abortion be punishable by death?

[Navy Pride]

This is why you have no credibility in this forum. I'm trying to discuss things with you rationally and you refuse to do so and instead throw out insults and false information in an attempt to discredit your opponent instead of making your own points stronger.

When have I ever said that I would not have gone back in time to kill Hitler or Stalin, and when have I ever said that I would? The truth of the mater is that you have no clue as to my actual stance on the protection of innocent life vs. convicted felons. You've never asked. You just ASSume.

Now I hate to mention this to you but you have just shown your hypocritical stance yet again. Earlier in this thread somebody asked you about the unborn killers and rapists that are being aborted and you said that they should be protected as long as they were still innocent. Yet you just said that you would go back and kill Hilter or Stalin to prevent the crimes they commited. If they didn't commit the crimes yet then wouldn't they still be innocent and you guilty of murder? Its clear that your stance is to protect only those lives that YOU deem worthy to protect. Would you be in favor of allowing aboritons in cases where you knew that the child would grow up as a liberal? I wonder.

Coming from you my liberal friend that is a compliment..thank you......

And unlike you you damn right I would go back it time and kill those 2 SOBs if I could and save a 100 million lives.........You make me sick with your bleeding heart attitude.........Anyone that would take the side of Hitler and Stalin!!!!!!!

I have to get up and take a break now because I am going to say something to you that I will regret and probably get kicked out of DP...........Damn!!!!

 

[Indy]

And unlike you you damn right I would go back it time and kill those 2 SOBs if I could and save a 100 million lives.........You make me sick with your bleeding heart attitude.........Anyone that would take the side of Hitler and Stalin!!!!!!!

What a joke. Once again I'll hold your hand and walk you through this: You look like an *** when you label others. Escpecially when you have never asked them their stance on the issue. Here's an example:

"Navy Pride you drive me crazy because you are okay with people having sex with animals! GOD!!!"

Now see how I just assumed that was your stance on the issue without even asking you to. Did it make you look any less credible because of what I claimed about you? No, it looked rediculous and that's exactly what we think when we read your posts.

And unlike you you damn right I would go back it time and kill those 2 SOBs if I could and save a 100 million lives.

When did I say that I would not kill Stalin? When did I say that I would? Like I said, you're a joke.

You make me sick with your bleeding heart attitude.

What did I say that could be viewed as a bleeding heart attitude? I never gave my stance on capital punishment, nor my personal stance on abortion. I've given it before on this forum but I doubt you've ever actually read anything people have said about themselves, well nothing that didn't help you slander then anyway. You make stuff up and are just not credible anymore. Nobody can trust you on any issues because they have no reason to beleive anything you say is fact or just make believe, you seem to prefer the latter.

Anyone that would take the side of Hitler and Stalin!!!!!!!

This is why you are a joke around here. People laugh at you man, they wouldn't if you didn't act so nutty.

 

[Stace]

We will have to agree to disagree I just hope no one in your family is every murdered or raped and mutilated becasue you just might change your tune.....Its easy to be a liberal and take the high ground when it does not affect you personally.....Well in my life it has affected me personally and in that case I would have volunteered to pull the switch on the SOB who murdered and raped my cousins daughter.............

Uh....ok. How do you know that I haven't had anyone in my family raped or murdered or anything like that? That's right, you don't. You just ASSume things about people and you think that just because someone leans one way politically that they automatically believe in whatever the party stance might be on a particular issue....and you've been proven to be wrong for doing so on many different occasions; yet you continue to do it. You obviously seem to think that I am completely against the death penalty; you're wrong. You seem to think that I completely support abortion in any instance; you're wrong. Stop ASSUMING things about people and you'd probably have more meaningful debates around here.

And just for the record, if it hadn't been for the good timing of a friend, I would have been raped when I was 14 years old, so don't even try to tell me how I feel about that particular situation and rapists in general.

As far as pro choice and pro abortion they mean the same to me.........They both mean legal murder in the womb.........

Legal murder is an oxymoron.

Pro choice means that even if you don't agree with abortion, per se, you feel that women should have the ability to choose that for themselves if they so wish.

Pro abortion would mean that you support any and all abortion. Maybe even go out and advocate women having abortions. Haven't seen too many people like that.

 

[Caine]

Hey Caine how about taking this guy under your wing and teach him the functions of DP...........:rofl

Umm.. Why me?

And, I wasn't even subscribed to this thread... im now wondering how many other threads you called me out to speak on and I never responded...

TO THE SEARCH FEATURE!

 

[Indy]

Umm.. Why me?

And, I wasn't even subscribed to this thread... im now wondering how many other threads you called me out to speak on and I never responded...

TO THE SEARCH FEATURE!

:rofl I love when people lighten the mood with comments like these. They make my day.

 

[Navy Pride]

Uh....ok. How do you know that I haven't had anyone in my family raped or murdered or anything like that? That's right, you don't. You just ASSume things about people and you think that just because someone leans one way politically that they automatically believe in whatever the party stance might be on a particular issue....and you've been proven to be wrong for doing so on many different occasions; yet you continue to do it. You obviously seem to think that I am completely against the death penalty; you're wrong. You seem to think that I completely support abortion in any instance; you're wrong. Stop ASSUMING things about people and you'd probably have more meaningful debates around here.

And just for the record, if it hadn't been for the good timing of a friend, I would have been raped when I was 14 years old, so don't even try to tell me how I feel about that particular situation and rapists in general.




Legal murder is an oxymoron.


Pro choice means that even if you don't agree with abortion, per se, you feel that women should have the ability to choose that for themselves if they so wish.

Pro abortion would mean that you support any and all abortion. Maybe even go out and advocate women having abortions. Haven't seen too many people like that.

Because if you had you would change your tune..........

But you were not raped and rape in itself is not a crime punished be the death penalty...I think it should be but its not........


Pro choice is a cop out for pro abortion used by the left to make them feel better about abortion becasue in their heart they know it is the taking of a life.............

 

[Stace]

Because if you had you would change your tune..........

Oh, really? And pray tell, since you think you know everything about me and where I stand, what is my tune?

But you were not raped and rape in itself is not a crime punished be the death penalty...I think it should be but its not........

No, thankfully I wasn't actually raped. That doesn't lessen the gravity of the situation and quite frankly, I now think less of you for trying to make it sound like it was no big deal, because it was.

Pro choice is a cop out for pro abortion used by the left to make them feel better about abortion becasue in their heart they know it is the taking of a life.............

:roll: And that's the excuse you come up with to make yourself feel superior to those who think and feel differently from you.

 

[Duke]

Umm.. Why me?

Don't worry, Masta Caine, I can take care of myself, promise......:mrgreen: :2razz: :mrgreen:


Duke

 

[Caine]

Don't worry, Masta Caine, I can take care of myself, promise......:mrgreen: :2razz: :mrgreen:


Duke

See that Navy Pride???

Im a mutha ***kin' MASTA..... YEA!

 

[Navy Pride]

really? And pray tell, since you think you know everything about me and where I stand, what is my tune?

Since thankfully it did not happen to you we don't know but I would bet you would change your stance on the issue if I had too.

No, thankfully I wasn't actually raped. That doesn't lessen the gravity of the situation and quite frankly, I now think less of you for trying to make it sound like it was no big deal, because it was.

I am not trying to minimize it I am just saying that almost being raped is not the same as being raped...........

:roll: And that's the excuse you come up with to make yourself feel superior to those who think and feel differently from you.[/

I don't feel superior at all.........I feel sorrow for people that advocate butchering of and innocent baby in the womb........

 

[Stace]

Since thankfully it did not happen to you we don't know but I would bet you would change your stance on the issue if I had too.

What are you talking about? I asked "How do you know that I haven't had anyone in my family raped or murdered or anything like that?"

To which you replied, "Because if you had you would change your tune.........."

Considering that you don't even know what my stance is on capital punishment, how can you say I'd change my tune? Nor do you know whether or not someone in my family has been raped or murdered, not that that would actually have any real bearing on my stance regarding capital punishment.

Or perhaps you were referring to my nearly being raped when you replied with "Because if you had you would change your tune.........." ....but again, since you don't know what my tune is to begin with, it's rather hard for you to say I'd change it dependent upon such circumstances, now isn't it?

I am not trying to minimize it I am just saying that almost being raped is not the same as being raped...........

Well, no kidding. But it's still a pretty damn traumatic thing for a 14 year old to go through. Especially when it's perpetrated by someone that you thought you could trust.

I don't feel superior at all.........I feel sorrow for people that advocate butchering of and innocent baby in the womb........

And I don't see anyone here advocating any such thing.

 

[Navy Pride]

Or perhaps you were referring to my nearly being raped when you replied with "Because if you had you would change your tune.........." ....but again, since you don't know what my tune is to begin with, it's rather hard for you to say I'd change it dependent upon such circumstances, now isn't it?

I am glad you did not get raped and the point I was trying to make is you might feel different about the death penalty if you had...

Well, no kidding. But it's still a pretty damn traumatic thing for a 14 year old to go through. Especially when it's perpetrated by someone that you thought you could trust.

Agreed

And I don't see anyone here advocating any such thing.

Anyone that advocates abortion on demand for any reason does....

 

[Stace]

I am glad you did not get raped and the point I was trying to make is you might feel different about the death penalty if you had...

And once AGAIN, seeing as how you don't even know how I feel about the death penalty, you continually making such comments is getting really silly.

Anyone that advocates abortion on demand for any reason does....

"Wrong wrong wrong wrong.....wrong wrong wrong wrong....you're wrong."

(Anyone care to guess where that tune comes from? :2razz: )

 

[Duke]

"Wrong wrong wrong wrong.....wrong wrong wrong wrong....you're wrong."

(Anyone care to guess where that tune comes from? :2razz: )

The Wrong Song? :mrgreen:

I would like to advise Navy Pride to:

1) Stop speculating wildly. It makes you look stupid, no offense intended.

2) Stop trying to read people's minds. If someone seems to be a liberal, this does not mean that they are pro-choice/against the death penalty/anti-war, you name it.


Duke

 

[Stace]

The Wrong Song? :mrgreen:

I'll give you a hint: Watch Comedy Central for awhile. Pay attention to the commercials, particularly the commercials for a particular show appearing on CC.

2) Stop trying to read people's minds. If someone seems to be a liberal, this does not mean that they are pro-choice/against the death penalty/anti-war, you name it.

Ya know, I don't deny that I'm a liberal, though I'm much more moderate than NP would ever recognize. But you're absolutely correct - not all liberals have those beliefs; some liberals are, gasp, actually able to think for themselves and do not tow the party line. I know I certainly don't.

 

[Deegan]

What some fail to realize is this, sometimes our morals do not always walk hand and hand with our realities. Take China for instance, it seems horrible that they are only allowed one child, but if this rule was not in place, many would continue to have children, and those children would more then likely starve to death. Now this seems a hard pill to swallow, but is a reality there, their population explosion has dictated this controversial, and extreme law. It is simply not the case that there is a home for every baby born in this country, and many live their childhood years in government care, and or foster homes. Abortion is something that will always be a reality, all you can do is to try and make sure those in your close family, make the right choices.

 

[Caine]

What some fail to realize is this, sometimes our morals do not always walk hand and hand with our realities. Take China for instance, it seems horrible that they are only allowed one child, but if this rule was not in place, many would continue to have children, and those children would more then likely starve to death. Now this seems a hard pill to swallow, but is a reality there, their population explosion has dictated this controversial, and extreme law. It is simply not the case that there is a home for every baby born in this country, and many live their childhood years in government care, and or foster homes. Abortion is something that will always be a reality, all you can do is to try and make sure those in your close family, make the right choices.

You are right right right right...... right right right right....... you're right!.

 

[Navy Pride]

And once AGAIN, seeing as how you don't even know how I feel about the death penalty, you continually making such comments is getting really silly.



"Wrong wrong wrong wrong.....wrong wrong wrong wrong....you're wrong."

(Anyone care to guess where that tune comes from? :2razz: )

OK, you tell me........How do you feel about the death penalty.......Since you have been debating against me and I am for it I assumed you were against it........

 

[Navy Pride]

And once AGAIN, seeing as how you don't even know how I feel about the death penalty, you continually making such comments is getting really silly.



"Wrong wrong wrong wrong.....wrong wrong wrong wrong....you're wrong."

(Anyone care to guess where that tune comes from? :2razz: )

Right, Right, Right, Right...........

 

[Caine]

Right, Right, Right, Right...........

So, basically, if you agree with the right to choose you are advocating abortion.

So, if I think women who so choose to have an abortion shouldn't be forbiden by law (not like law is going to stop them anyways, see gun control), I am therefore picketing with a sign that says, "KILL YER BABIES NOW!! DO IT NOW!!!"

If that was the case, I would have demanded Stace abort little Noah, but I didn't now did I?

 

[Stace]

OK, you tell me........How do you feel about the death penalty.......Since you have been debating against me and I am for it I assumed you were against it........

And see what happens when you assume?

Murderers, rapists, child molestors, etc.? They should all fry before they go rot in Hell.

Clear enough for ya?

 

[Stace]

Right, Right, Right, Right...........

Maybe in your world, but out here, not so much.

Care to try again?

 

[Navy Pride]

And see what happens when you assume?

Murderers, rapists, child molestors, etc.? They should all fry before they go rot in Hell.

Clear enough for ya?

Yeah your consistent, I give that to you.........I just will never understand why............

 

[Stace]

Yeah your consistent, I give that to you.........I just will never understand why............

Uh, ok.....

 

[Duke]

I'll give you a hint: Watch Comedy Central for awhile. Pay attention to the commercials, particularly the commercials for a particular show appearing on CC.

Ya know, Stace, I really would.....If I had a TV. :2razz:

Ya know, I don't deny that I'm a liberal, though I'm much more moderate than NP would ever recognize. But you're absolutely correct - not all liberals have those beliefs; some liberals are, gasp, actually able to think for themselves and do not tow the party line. I know I certainly don't.

See, that's the point. You cannot assume that all people that hold one belief to hold a thousand others and still retain your credibility on any level at all.


Duke