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Why would a Muslim business be held to a different standard than a Christian one? I don't understand the point of this poll.
To answer the poll directly: No, Muslims should not have legal protection to refuse service to gays.
So you would, I would assume, accept that someone like Paschendale, Redress, Roguenuke, Iguanaman, Arcana, SouthernDemocrat or myself would be liberals.
And you need just one thread. And it can take place on any topic related to being critical of Muslim faith. Anywhere. Any time. Period.
Yes?
at this point either put up a thread, or concede. :lol:
Agree that those are the conditions and I will.
Sure...
btw. where is the company boycott? where are the threats?
Some Cleveland Hopkins cab drivers refuse to drive with Gay Games signage | cleveland.com
Good.
Another swing, another miss.
how so?
They're not obligated to take on any advertising they don't want. They would, however, be discriminating if they refused to take gay passengers. If there's anything you should have learned from the past couple weeks it's that expressions are protected (I'm a little fuzzy on the terminology of that one, actually, but the gist of it is right). That's why I can't make you create a website for me that says "All Christians are the suckz."
All that being said, I think the Muslims who refused to use the signs are petty dickheads, but dickheads who are within their rights nonetheless (assuming no pre-existing contractual agreements with the airport, of course, which from the story there don't appear to be).
the pizza shop said they would not refuse service for anyone but would not want to take part by catering to a gay wedding, how is that different?
And no thread link yet? Me thinks you are simply strining me along. :lol:
the pizza shop said they would not refuse service for anyone but would not want to take part by catering to a gay wedding, how is that different?
And no thread link yet? Me thinks you are simply strining me along. :lol:
They said they would not provide pizzas for a gay wedding. Which means if someone came up to the counter saying "I need 10 pizzas today, my son is getting married and the caterer his husband hired cancelled last minute", the pizzeria would refuse to sell them those pizzas just because they were going for a same sex wedding. They wouldn't even have to come to the wedding, but this is the scenario the girl said she would refuse.
Self explanatory. This is a consistency check for all sides. Does changing up the religion itself change anything?
If the reporter asked her if she would refuse to cater a straight wedding the only factual answer should could provide is yes since she doesn't cater weddings.
Legally? I guess it depends on the state. However, since they have been shown to refuse to do so, have they been given a pass, I would suppose because of their religion? Most certainly yes.
Muslims are not in the cross hairs of people with an agenda. They have nothing to fear.
You are changing it now, I'll make it easy, find me one that cristisizes the muslim faith, at all. one thread...
I just remembered something: X factor doesn't understand the difference between denying service to customers because of what they ordered and denying them service on the basis of their sexual orientation. So this may actually be his idea of a trap thread, though as in the other thread he'll just be reaffirming his inability to grasp the issue.
Nonetheless, in spite of any potential shennanigans I voted in good faith.
Funny but I guess the difference would be the nature of the cake itself. All (or most) bakeries will do a wedding cake, and a "gay" wedding cake could well be indistinguishable from any other wedding cake. Can you require a specifically themed cake that a bakery has never done before? Could someone insist on an erotic cake from a business that specializes in children's birthday cakes? I don't know.
If someone wanted to order a cake depicting a mockery of Jesus from a Christian owned bakery as their wedding cake, it would be interesting if people would support requiring the bakery to do it.
I think the justification for forcing or requiring a bakery to make a wedding cake is that they've done that very thing many many times before and that it's discrimination to not do what they've done for everyone else willing to pay for their services. That's different then demanding a cake they've never done before for anyone.
Huh, so when couples order a wedding cake, they need designate whether it's a gay or straight wedding cake? How about if a gay couple is ok with serving a straight cake?
Self explanatory. This is a consistency check for all sides. Does changing up the religion itself change anything?
I do not see it as a yes-no question. No generally UNLESS it was for something directly about religion - such as a gay wedding, wanting a male barber to cut a woman's hair, and other religious matters that are well established.
I don't? From early in that other thread (before this particular lie):
And you wonder why you lack credibility with me. You have no idea what "good faith" even means.
It's a puzzling tactic to try to convince me you're not a liar by continuing to lie but I suppose you know what you're doing. Have a great day.
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