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I measure the value of a person based on how much they have contributed to a society. A free society will on average pay that person exactly what they are worth to the society for their level of production. In a free society, measuring the value of a person by the wealth they earn is an accurate measurement.
My parents had informed my two brothers and myself that we would ONLY get assistance paying for college IF we selected majors that had CAREER PATHS at the end of them. No General Ed. No Communications. No Liberal Arts. Either we knew what we wanted to do, or we were going to be paying for it ourselves. Sounds like a hell of an idea to me.
So there's plenty of money and it's just that people are lazy? It's that again?
If a capable child/young person who has the capabilities to make a college degree is kept from doing so, because of his/her financial situation, that would not just be unworthy of a humane society and degrading for the individual, but also a massive waste of resources for society as a whole. Imagine if an Einstein had ended as burger cook, just because his family could not afford college -- and even if it's just a decent engineer among many, that's bad enough. I don't think we (in the West) can afford to waste this intellectual potential.
No, it's that some people are willing to do what it takes, and others aren't.
When I went to school, I was young, married, and had two children. I went to a community college for as long as I could to save money. I was poor by today's standards, but somehow I managed to do what I really wanted to do. Attitude will get you far if it's a good and positive one, or it will keep you in poverty if you let it.
But that's not the case here. A capable young person who works and achieves scholastic excellence (or even in sports) can get a free education.
If it were an unneeded profession, it wouldn't be a profession.
You talk as if it's easy to predict the job market, or what others will do. But if everyone is expected to get trained in the most in-demand professions, lots will cluster to them, and then there will be too many candidates for too few jobs, and vice versa. So your idea is self-defeating. And then there's external forces that change the job market, and your own skills and opportunities.
How is that different?
So you were too lazy to go get a degree at a real college, and a master's and doctorate?
See how that works?
There is no DIRECT career path from that degree to a job opportunity. I can't say that I've ever seen a job advertisement for a LIBERAL ARTS MAJOR or COMMUNICATIONS MAJOR. Yes, there are associated career fields that one may be able to get into, but for the most part there is no DIRECT career path linked to those degrees. My parents were (rightfully so) not interested in investing wads of cash into a degree that had no DIRECT CAREER PATH assocaited with it.
Out of that, they got....
1. CAD Designer/Drafter
2. Director of Christian Education/Youth Services
3. Biology Professor/Researcher
Are either of you plumbers? If so then yes, you aimed low in life. Sorry to be the first to break it to you. There's nothing wrong with the profession itself. However, I have higher ambitions not only for myself but also for my children. If that's how you feed yourselves, please by any means pumpkins, however don't expect me to act like it's anything more than the kind of employment people who don't aim too high in life end up with. :shrug:
I don't really talk to the help. Do you?
Lol is that supposed to mean something to me? Unlike a certain lawyer on these boards, I don't really feel the need to plaster my income for all to see. However, if that plumber saved up every paycheck and didn't pay a single dollar in taxes, his $49K would pay for around 1/10th of the property that I own in St. Maarten (that's an island in the Caribbean). I won't even go into how much my house in Canada is worth.
Are you a plumber? I'm sorry to hear you aimed so low in life.
I think there should be affordable college. It is a violation of equal opportunity to make colleges so expensive that only kids with rich parents can attend.
But that's not the case here. A capable young person who works and achieves scholastic excellence (or even in sports) can get a free education.
No,the last thing we need is more pseudo-intellectual early 20's "psychologists" who can successfully diagnose all of society's ills in a single semester.
In addition to scholastic excellence and sports, a lot of colleges offer scholarships for leadership. My son also got a scholarship for something weird - music skills.
Still standing is the point that it makes no sense to have redistributive government programs "incentivizing" something where natural incentive already exists.
The gal who does my hair has a daughter who is currently a senior in high school. She plays golf, and is really good at it. Last year, she had colleges all over the country trying to sign her up. She could have had a full scholarship to several big name colleges, but she wanted to be closer to home, so she signed up for a full scholarship program at North Tx State.
I always try to be socialble to the help. My yard man, my plumber, my attorney, cab drivers, the pool boy, even the mail man when I see him. I'm nice to everyone.
It's not about incentivizing, it's about making those who already have the incentive the ability to act on it.
Yeah, so if you want to be a doctor or whatevber, you need to play good sports! That's a really rational education system we have there.
- Ability to think abstractly and perform critical analysis
- Acquire literacy in writing, reading, speaking, and listening
- Ability to understand numerical data
- Having a sense of the past
- Intellectually at ease with science
- Acquire the capacity to make informed and moral choices
- Appreciation of the arts
- International and multicultural experiences
- Study in-depth
Oh, and your statement makes no sense. Having government use tax revenues that are already in short supply to underwrite peoples educational expenses doesn't give them an ability they don't already have. Many people take out loans and it turns out to be a very good investment in the case of doctors.
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