Shopping while black

[Court Jester]

Where are you getting that was the call? All the sources that I've seen on this case say that they called specifically about a white man in a green jacket, red hoodie in his 30's. SOME of the details "weren't clear"? They walked past all kinds of other guys in jackets to harass the black dude.

Doesn't matter, and I have never suggested the police always are right, or that some of them aren't very bright. Many police are in effect just people with slightly more than a high school education, then a few months of on the job training. I have more than a few detective level police friends who will shake their heads at some of boneheaded stuff patrol officers do. But the point is that the police were investigating a call, and good info or bad, they are allowed to approach people and ask questions. Even questions which may to the person seem offensive. As in sounding like an accusation.

Wrong. They can't demand that you take your hands out of your pockets unless you are being detained.

LOL! Look up the law buddy. The police have the power to detain people under even the slightest pretexts. The man WAS in fact being detained or about to be detained. Even if he didn't have his hands in his pocket, and even if he refused to answer any questions, or show ID. There may have been enough there for the police to make a brief detention.

Learn the laws BEFORE you start spouting misinformation. Most of which you have learned only from internet "copwatcher / copblockers" anyway.

Same for pulling you out of a car. You're mixing what a consensual stop is vs. what a detainment is.

The police ASKED him to stop, and he did. Police ASKED him to take his hands out of his pocket, and he did. Police ASKED him some questions, and he replied. Everything I saw was consensual. At any point did you hear the Black man ask if he was free to go? I didn't. The entire encounter as consensual, and that being said, there was still enough possibly to make it a legal detention too. Brief detention, but still enough.

It would be nice to see the unedited police video, because I'm sure it would come of differently. You do realize these youtube copwatchers look for the most juicy videos in order to monetize from total views, right?

Right...if he exercised his rights and the cops illegally punished him for it, you'd say that was a consequence. In other words, no rights.

Hey, I'm just saying I would been way cooler than that man was acting. Getting amped up never makes a police encounter less problematic.

Right...citizens must act calm and respectful at all times to any provocation by the police... The police can act like rabid dogs.

Just because other people act badly, doesn't mean you need to. And since they are the ones with guns, the batons, the handcuffs, the mace, and the radio to call MORE cops if you want act stupid... well, I ain't havin' none of that, not me.

 

[Court Jester]

Once they start making demands, like pulling his hands out of his pockets, at some point it becomes a defacto detainment.

I'm sure that is an arguement his civil defense lawyer may make in court. And keep in mind, that when it comes to officer safety, the courts are very ameniable to the idea of allowing officers to make demands like keeping hands where they can be seen, brief pat downs for weapons, and even brief detentions which may include being handcuffed, as long as it is brief, and in the interest of officer safety, and when you think about it, the safety of the subject too. What good is there from having cops nervous about the person they are contacting?

Give up your rights before they are taken away! You're ridiculous.

I don't give up any rights, but am fine with making rational decisions about when cooperation and calmness is better than playing the BS sovereign citizen type of malarkey.

The police are the ones with the de-escalation training, not the citizens.

I AM THE ONE who is capable of de-escalation, even if a cop is not good at it. You want to roll your dice with a inexperience, or a angry, or dumb cop who isn't good at de-escalating, or doesn't want to, then good luck. I will not give a cop ANY pretext to assume I am a threat to them.

They can "inquire" all they want. That doesn't mean it wasn't racial profiling.

Profiling, bias, bad info, stupidity, racism, retaliation.... none matter to me, I wouldn't take the bait either way.

I expect more from my public servants.

You can wish in one hand and shit in the other as they say. But sometimes we must deal with the hand dealt. And thinking you are holding more cards than the cop with a gun and radio to call more cops, if you don't do what he wants, right or wrong, just or unjust..... well, do what thou wilt then, and good luck.

 

[rhinefire]

Blacks don't steal, we all know that.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Blacks don't steal, we all know that.

Males don’t rape, we all know that.

 

[Drowning Man]

Doesn't matter, and I have never suggested the police always are right, or that some of them aren't very bright. Many police are in effect just people with slightly more than a high school education, then a few months of on the job training. I have more than a few detective level police friends who will shake their heads at some of boneheaded stuff patrol officers do. But the point is that the police were investigating a call, and good info or bad, they are allowed to approach people and ask questions. Even questions which may to the person seem offensive. As in sounding like an accusation.

Does matter... Yeah. I'm sure you believe that. They can investigate a crime committed by a white guy, their information is that a white guy did it, and you're all for them racially profiling whomever they like.

LOL! Look up the law buddy. The police have the power to detain people under even the slightest pretexts. The man WAS in fact being detained or about to be detained. Even if he didn't have his hands in his pocket, and even if he refused to answer any questions, or show ID. There may have been enough there for the police to make a brief detention.

All of that is irrelevant. I was exactly correct. The police do NOT have the ability to make you take your hands out of your pockets during a consensual conversation, as you claimed. Yes, reasonable suspicion is a low standard of proof, but they still must have it in order to make a detainment.

Learn the laws BEFORE you start spouting misinformation. Most of which you have learned only from internet "copwatcher / copblockers" anyway.

You just spouted bullshit and you've never corrected me. What are you talking about?

The police ASKED him to stop, and he did. Police ASKED him to take his hands out of his pocket, and he did. Police ASKED him some questions, and he replied. Everything I saw was consensual. At any point did you hear the Black man ask if he was free to go? I didn't. The entire encounter as consensual, and that being said, there was still enough possibly to make it a legal detention too. Brief detention, but still enough.

Nope. Not with the information they had. Only you would love the taste of shoe polish enough to believe that a call about a white guy in his 30's with a green jacket and red hoodie is reasonable suspicion enough to detain a black guy, 20 years older, in an orange jacket without a hoodie.

It would be nice to see the unedited police video, because I'm sure it would come of differently. You do realize these youtube copwatchers look for the most juicy videos in order to monetize from total views, right?

Yes, yes, yes... Perhaps Ra mind-controlled them into doing the wrong thing... You never know, aliens could have put the wrong probes up their asses and it forced them to transplant the image of a younger white guy wearing completely different cloths over the image of an innocent black guy... Maybe we should hold out for the possibility that the BLM secretly spiked their doughnuts and made them make horrible decisions.

Is it possible that the video doesn't show the whole story? Yes, it's possible.

But, you're defending the cops with the set of facts that we know, so it's really irrelevant. You don't mind racial profiling because it suits your personal worldview, even when it's blatant. There must be some "other explanation"....

Hey, I'm just saying I would been way cooler than that man was acting. Getting amped up never makes a police encounter less problematic.

It's always better to remain calm. But you're not just saying it's better to remain calm. You are, in fact, trying to shift the blame because he didn't lick their boots.

Just because other people act badly, doesn't mean you need to. And since they are the ones with guns, the batons, the handcuffs, the mace, and the radio to call MORE cops if you want act stupid... well, I ain't havin' none of that, not me.

You view them as rabid dogs. Why do you hate the police so much?

 

[Drowning Man]

I'm sure that is an arguement his civil defense lawyer may make in court. And keep in mind, that when it comes to officer safety, the courts are very ameniable to the idea of allowing officers to make demands like keeping hands where they can be seen, brief pat downs for weapons, and even brief detentions which may include being handcuffed, as long as it is brief, and in the interest of officer safety, and when you think about it, the safety of the subject too. What good is there from having cops nervous about the person they are contacting?

Assuming there is reasonable suspicion for a detainment, sure... They didn't have that.

I don't give up any rights, but am fine with making rational decisions about when cooperation and calmness is better than playing the BS sovereign citizen type of malarkey.

Bullshit. Standing up for one's rights isn't being a "sovereign citizen". The only "sovereign citizens" at that scene were the cops. They have sovereign immunity. They were the ones acting outside the law with impunity.

I AM THE ONE who is capable of de-escalation, even if a cop is not good at it. You want to roll your dice with a inexperience, or a angry, or dumb cop who isn't good at de-escalating, or doesn't want to, then good luck. I will not give a cop ANY pretext to assume I am a threat to them.

And it's not the cops fault if they are are not capable of de-escalation? Bullshit.

Profiling, bias, bad info, stupidity, racism, retaliation.... none matter to me, I wouldn't take the bait either way.

I'm sure not. You're not on the receiving end of those things... It's easy to not care when you're not affected.

You can wish in one hand and shit in the other as they say. But sometimes we must deal with the hand dealt. And thinking you are holding more cards than the cop with a gun and radio to call more cops, if you don't do what he wants, right or wrong, just or unjust..... well, do what thou wilt then, and good luck.

Bow down and take it! Don't have any rights! The rabid dogs don't like it when you exercise your rights and they have guns!

 

[Drowning Man]

Blacks don't steal, we all know that.

MAGA dipshits aren't treasonous, we all know that.