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Shooting. Who is in the right?

poweRob

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So who is in the right and who is in the wrong in this instance. Should be a telling thread.

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Wtf is even happening here?
 
The van didn't appear to have any markings on it and the cops didn't appear to identify themselves or make an attempt to warn people of what was going on. Whether there was a curfew or not that kind of activity is completely unacceptable. Then, to add even more trouble, they kicked the guy that was already compliant and slammed his face in the ground. That isn't any kind of police training I received or hear of anyone else receiving.
 
Nomad4Ever said:
Thanks for doing the work of OP for him. This should have been what was originally posted.
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Why not? The OP was asking opinions based on the video. Not sure what's making you cry.
 
Lutherf said:
The van didn't appear to have any markings on it and the cops didn't appear to identify themselves or make an attempt to warn people of what was going on. Whether there was a curfew or not that kind of activity is completely unacceptable. Then, to add even more trouble, they kicked the guy that was already compliant and slammed his face in the ground. That isn't any kind of police training I received or hear of anyone else receiving.
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Well in the link I found, apparently these cops were out "hunting people". So it seems like a few of them were just out there to take pleasure at shooting at folk. There was a curfew and there were demonstrations, it may be reasonable in some circumstances to use less-than-lethal in these cases. But it doesn't seem that they met those circumstances in this case.
 
Lutherf said:
The van didn't appear to have any markings on it and the cops didn't appear to identify themselves or make an attempt to warn people of what was going on. Whether there was a curfew or not that kind of activity is completely unacceptable. Then, to add even more trouble, they kicked the guy that was already compliant and slammed his face in the ground. That isn't any kind of police training I received or hear of anyone else receiving.
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I'm sure there were quite a few knuckleheads thwarting the curfew but you're right, this was rather brazen and illegal policing. I'd be scared shitless if an umarked van was firing weapons and I had no idea who they were or know what they were firing on a driveby.
 
poweRob said:
Why not? The OP was asking opinions based on the video. Not sure what's making you cry.
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Because the video alone lacked context about what was actually happening, or any additional info really.
 
Nomad4Ever said:
Because the video alone lacked context about what was actually happening, or any additional info really.
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Fair enough. I gathered there was a curfew in effect even though it didn't state that but I guess others did not.
 
Ikari said:
Well in the link I found, apparently these cops were out "hunting people". So it seems like a few of them were just out there to take pleasure at shooting at folk. There was a curfew and there were demonstrations, it may be reasonable in some circumstances to use less-than-lethal in these cases. But it doesn't seem that they met those circumstances in this case.
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What I thought was odd was, even though there was a curfew, dude was in his own yard. Not on public property. Not sure if curfew can keep you off your own yard or not.
 
Ikari said:
Well in the link I found, apparently these cops were out "hunting people". So it seems like a few of them were just out there to take pleasure at shooting at folk. There was a curfew and there were demonstrations, it may be reasonable in some circumstances to use less-than-lethal in these cases. But it doesn't seem that they met those circumstances in this case.
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The video is rather damning and even though there might be more context we haven't seen I can't imagine what justification they could have shooting at people walking the street or standing in a parking lot. Proper procedure would be to approach, identify and cite or arrest depending on the situation. The only thing missing was "Boyz N Tha Hood" bumping on the van stereo.
 
poweRob said:
What I thought was odd was, even though there was a curfew, dude was in his own yard. Not on public property. Not sure if curfew can keep you off your own yard or not.
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I would think not. This guy who was acquitted might have quite the lawsuit against the city.
 
Nomad4Ever said:
Thanks for doing the work of OP for him. This should have been what was originally posted.
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It wasn't hard to find, either. I just took a glance at the twitter thread.
 
poweRob said:
Fair enough. I gathered there was a curfew in effect even though it didn't state that but I guess others did not.
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The article that was linked is pretty damning. Some other funny quotes.
While observing a group and debating whether to make an arrest, Mercil said, "This group probably is predominantly white because there's not looting and fires."
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The footage then shows them encounter Stallings, who had a permit to carry a firearm in public, and did so because of the threat of white supremacists in the area, crouched behind his pickup in a parking lot near S. 14th Avenue. At 10:53 p.m. an officer fired a single marking round at Stallings, striking him in the chest. Stallings, who according to his attorney did not realize the unmarked van was full of police officers, returned fire three times as he ducked for cover.
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I saw this story. Another police recording has officers saying they are going to go shooting their less lethal guns at the first people they see, and then they get to a gas station and shoot at the people there driving them off, and the people included the station owner and his family. There were criminals at the protests - the police. Talk about proving the point of the protests about the police.
 
Minneapolis police are some of the worst in the country. What the **** is wrong with them?
 
Madness, militarized police shooting form unmarked vans, without warning or provocation.

These type of snatch and grabs would make the Soviet system proud.
 
Nomad4Ever said:
Stallings rejected a plea deal from prosecutors that included a nearly 13-year prison term before he took the case to trial and was acquitted.
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www.startribune.com

Attorney for man cleared of returning fire in self-defense at Minneapolis police during riots releases evidence, body camera footage

Jaleel Stallings was acquitted of eight counts in connection with the incident.
www.startribune.com www.startribune.com

lol. Can't believe the cops tried to pull that.
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Of course if he'd caved, that would make him a "thug" and be dragged out by the usual suspects to justify any and all future police brutality against him.
 
Police are in the wrong for multiple reasons.

There has to be a better way for Minneapolis Police to handle dealing with curfews and dispersing people than running around playing non-lethal drive-by including people standing in their own front yards on their own property.

And people wonder why the police are neither respected or trusted these days.

Seems like this group wanted to cause a problem.
 
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