Shannon Sharpe On Being Black In America

[Geoist]

Normally I don't look to a sports show for political insight, but I must say Shannon Sharpe said it as well as any political analyst could:

 

[chuckiechan]

A brief bio of Kapernick - the world's most ungreatfull adoptee:

Kaepernick was born in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, to Heidi (Zabransky) Russo, a 19-year-old white woman who was single and destitute at the time.[1] His birth father, an African American, left before he was born.[2][3][4] Russo placed her son for adoption with Rick and Teresa Kaepernick, a white couple who had two children—son Kyle and daughter Devon—and were looking for a boy after having lost two other sons to heart defects.[2][5] Kaepernick became the youngest of their three children. He lived in Fond du Lac, Wisconsin, until age four, and attended grade school in Turlock, California.[6][7]

Kaepernick began playing youth football at 8 years old as a defensive end and punter. He then became his youth team's starting quarterback at age nine, and he completed his first competitive pass for a long touchdown. He went on to win several punt, pass, and kick competitions mainly on his passing ability

He could have easily would up a "No name" statistic in some ghetto somewhere.

Plueeeezzzzeeeessss

 

[Bodi]

A brief bio of Kapernick - the world's most ungreatfull adoptee:



He could have easily would up a "No name" statistic in some ghetto somewhere.

Plueeeezzzzeeeessss

He is going about it wrong. Embrace unity... shake hands with the cops, pose for pictures with them and kids, shake hands of the military guys and gals... not standing is bringing disunity and hate. He is going about it completely wrong. Salute the flag. Stand up for the ideology of the United States. Help show that picture of what America can and should be. A beacon of hope. The land of equality.

At least Sharpe here is saying that the solutions begin with black people... that is a good start.

 

[Gathomas88]

:roll:

He doesn't think that police regularly shoot belligerent white offenders? He doesn't think that black offenders occasionally get fed while in custody?

Honestly, the biggest problem here is people blindly indulging their own confirmation bias, and a media which all too readily plays into that desire.

White suspect unnecessarily killed? Little to no media coverage.

Black suspect gets killed ? (Regardless of whether it's justifiable or not these days) Media vultures make sure to turn it into a firestorm of publicity, for the benefit of their own ratings, and their own ideological biases.

Then, on the flip side of things, they want to turn around and only focus on incidents of police officers actually doing their jobs correctly, and treating suspects humanely, when they involve white suspects. They treat that as being the "exception that (somehow) proves the rule" with regard to supposed police brutality towards African Americans.

Police Officers - in this environment - are basically damned if they do, and damned if they don't. The "anti"-crowd can't be reasoned with, because they simply don't want to hear anything which deviates from the preconceived narrative of black victimization, and white responsibility for it. I'm sorry, but that position's just not grounded in reality.

I will, however, give Sharpe credit for acknowledging that blacks actually do bear some responsibility in this equation as well. That is certainly more than most people involved in this movement are willing to admit.

 

[chuckiechan]

Kapernick is black in pigment only. So are many east Indians, and they get along just fine. He is an ungreatfull jerk with zero street cred with the true "non-Oreo" blacks.

 

[Excon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzERbSKgQkA

The guy is making some irrational false comparisons, statements and arguments.

"... but, you see this ..." @1:10 Referencing his skin color.
No, I see your fact-less irrational opinion.
Get past your bs and then maybe you will see the truth.

He then goes on with his false claims regarding "non-compliance".
It is like he doesn't even understand that non-compliant blacks are taken alive all the time or that whites are shot a greater rate than blacks are.

@1:36 "I see a guy selling CD's and he is killed."
He should try acknowledging reality.
Yes he was non-compliant, but that isn't the full story. He was shot because he was a lethal threat. (He had a gun and was reaching for it.)


@1:37 "I see a guy selling loose leaf cigarettes and he is killed."
He died because of complications brought about by his non-compliance
But he wasn't purposely killed or treated differently because he was black.


@1:39 "See, that's what gets us up in arms." :doh
Yep I am sure folks can see that your false narratives are what gets you and those like you, "up in arms".


He then goes on to make false insinuations based on the Colorado and Dylan Roof shootings in which the assailants were compliant. :doh
And then he spews the false narrative that Roof was taken "by Burger King" when he wasn't. The guy is clearly educated in a lot of nonsense.


His comment on "taking away hope" @2:38 is asinine as well.
The majority of those in poverty do not act out in a criminal manner.

Then @3:22 he spews more bs about "wanting".
No, the vast majority who want something are not out there trying to get it by criminal activity.

 

[JasperL]

A brief bio of Kapernick - the world's most ungreatfull adoptee:

He could have easily would up a "No name" statistic in some ghetto somewhere.

Plueeeezzzzeeeessss

What's he done to indicate he's ungrateful?

 

[JasperL]

:roll:

He doesn't think that police regularly shoot belligerent white offenders? He doesn't think that black offenders occasionally get fed while in custody?

Honestly, the biggest problem here is people blindly indulging their own confirmation bias, and a media which all too readily plays into that desire.

White suspect unnecessarily killed? Little to no media coverage.

Black suspect gets killed ? (Regardless of whether it's justifiable or not these days) Media vultures make sure to turn it into a firestorm of publicity, for the benefit of their own ratings, and their own ideological biases.

Then, on the flip side of things, they want to turn around and only focus on incidents of police officers actually doing their jobs correctly, and treating suspects humanely, when they involve white suspects. They treat that as being the "exception that (somehow) proves the rule" with regard to supposed police brutality towards African Americans.

Police Officers - in this environment - are basically damned if they do, and damned if they don't. The "anti"-crowd can't be reasoned with, because they simply don't want to hear anything which deviates from the preconceived narrative of black victimization, and white responsibility for it. I'm sorry, but that position's just not grounded in reality.

I will, however, give Sharpe credit for acknowledging that blacks actually do bear some responsibility in this equation as well. That is certainly more than most people involved in this movement are willing to admit.

I'm sure there is a lot of problems with confirmation bias, but I've listened to some of the black activists and read quite a bit during the period around Ferguson, and the shootings and killings really are only a small part of the problem. It's really the entire relationship between cops in some cities and the black population. The Ferguson report concluded the shooting was justified, but also detailed a whole series of what I considered obvious examples of racial bias by a bunch of white cops who felt comfortable making racist jokes, and who stopped, searched, cited, etc. blacks at FAR higher rates than whites, and on the flip side weren't at all responsive to the community when they were needed. If you didn't read the report you should. There was an example in the summary of a guy sitting in his car after a basketball game at a park, was interrogated, searched, and when he didn't give permission to search his car, arrested and charged with 8 violations including not wearing a f'ing seatbelt in a stopped car with the engine off.

The point is Ferguson's riots weren't really at all about the shooting - that was just the spark - but there were massive underlying problems at the core of the discontent.

 

[VanceMack]

:lamo

Shannon's arguments are laughable.

How come Dylan Roof was arrested and a brother in Louisiana got shot?

Umm...because Roof sat down and surrendered, and Stirling resisted arrest, with a loaded gun in his pocket and after being tazed 2x and tackled he was fighting to reach the gun in his pocket.

His whole tirade is an embarrassing string of failures. And his ridiculous threat...come on Skip...do you want another Ferguson? You know...Ferguson...the city where black people burned significant parts of a black community...TWICE...over a thug that attacked a cop and over a cause that was built on a complete and total lie.

Shannon...I love ya man...great TE and great player...Im sure he is a helluva nice guy. But this tirade of his...just...goofy.

 

[VanceMack]

The guy is making some irrational false comparisons, statements and arguments.

"... but, you see this ..." @1:10 Referencing his skin color.
No, I see your fact-less irrational opinion.
Get past your bs and then maybe you will see the truth.

He then goes on with his false claims regarding "non-compliance".
It is like he doesn't even understand that non-compliant blacks are taken alive all the time or that whites are shot a greater rate than blacks are.

@1:36 "I see a guy selling CD's and he is killed."
He should try acknowledging reality.
Yes he was non-compliant, but that isn't the full story. He was shot because he was a lethal threat. (He had a gun and was reaching for it.)


@1:37 "I see a guy selling loose leaf cigarettes and he is killed."
He died because of complications brought about by his non-compliance
But he wasn't purposely killed or treated differently because he was black.


@1:39 "See, that's what gets us up in arms." :doh
Yep I am sure folks can see that your false narratives are what gets you and those like you, "up in arms".


He then goes on to make false insinuations based on the Colorado and Dylan Roof shootings in which the assailants were compliant. :doh
And then he spews the false narrative that Roof was taken "by Burger King" when he wasn't. The guy is clearly educated in a lot of nonsense.


His comment on "taking away hope" @2:38 is asinine as well.
The majority of those in poverty do not act out in a criminal manner.

Then @3:22 he spews more bs about "wanting".
No, the vast majority who want something are not out there trying to get it by criminal activity.

True...but theres a lot of folk that dont care about how stupid his arguments were. They just want to be down.

 

[JC Callender]

The guy is making some irrational false comparisons, statements and arguments.

"... but, you see this ..." @1:10 Referencing his skin color.
No, I see your fact-less irrational opinion.
Get past your bs and then maybe you will see the truth.

He then goes on with his false claims regarding "non-compliance".
It is like he doesn't even understand that non-compliant blacks are taken alive all the time or that whites are shot a greater rate than blacks are.

@1:36 "I see a guy selling CD's and he is killed."
He should try acknowledging reality.
Yes he was non-compliant, but that isn't the full story. He was shot because he was a lethal threat. (He had a gun and was reaching for it.)


@1:37 "I see a guy selling loose leaf cigarettes and he is killed."
He died because of complications brought about by his non-compliance
But he wasn't purposely killed or treated differently because he was black.


@1:39 "See, that's what gets us up in arms." :doh
Yep I am sure folks can see that your false narratives are what gets you and those like you, "up in arms".


He then goes on to make false insinuations based on the Colorado and Dylan Roof shootings in which the assailants were compliant. :doh
And then he spews the false narrative that Roof was taken "by Burger King" when he wasn't. The guy is clearly educated in a lot of nonsense.


His comment on "taking away hope" @2:38 is asinine as well.
The majority of those in poverty do not act out in a criminal manner.

Then @3:22 he spews more bs about "wanting".
No, the vast majority who want something are not out there trying to get it by criminal activity.

I agree. Non compliance is a huge issue in our inner cities that many people disregard.

He also used the Holocaust as an analogy to slavery as a reason for current circumstances, but the Jews in America are doing awesome compared to African Americans.

 

[VanceMack]

I'm sure there is a lot of problems with confirmation bias, but I've listened to some of the black activists and read quite a bit during the period around Ferguson, and the shootings and killings really are only a small part of the problem. It's really the entire relationship between cops in some cities and the black population. The Ferguson report concluded the shooting was justified, but also detailed a whole series of what I considered obvious examples of racial bias by a bunch of white cops who felt comfortable making racist jokes, and who stopped, searched, cited, etc. blacks at FAR higher rates than whites, and on the flip side weren't at all responsive to the community when they were needed. If you didn't read the report you should. There was an example in the summary of a guy sitting in his car after a basketball game at a park, was interrogated, searched, and when he didn't give permission to search his car, arrested and charged with 8 violations including not wearing a f'ing seatbelt in a stopped car with the engine off.

The point is Ferguson's riots weren't really at all about the shooting - that was just the spark - but there were massive underlying problems at the core of the discontent.

What was Ferguson's crime rate at the time? Murder rate? Who were the primary perpetrators? More importantly...who were the primary victims?

Yes...its the cops fault. And society's fault. And the slave traders. And white people. I'm sure Bush is involved somewhere in there. And Trump. And the CIA. And corporate America.

 

[Tanngrisnir]

What was Ferguson's crime rate at the time? Murder rate? Who were the primary perpetrators? More importantly...who were the primary victims?

Yes...its the cops fault. And society's fault. And the slave traders. And white people. I'm sure Bush is involved somewhere in there. And Trump. And the CIA. And corporate America.

So you admit you have no idea about the problems in Ferguson that sparked off such great anger and protests.

Not really all that surprising.

It pays to know what you've babbling about before actually babbling.

 

[VanceMack]

So you admit you have no idea about the problems in Ferguson that sparked off such great anger and protests.

Not really all that surprising.

It pays to know what you've babbling about before actually babbling.

We'll try again. What was the crime rate in Ferguson at the time? What was the murder rate at the time? Who were the primary perpetrators? Who were the victims?

Ok...more directly...Mike Brown...perpetrator or victim? Hands up don't shoot...true 'cause' or bull**** lie?


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[Tanngrisnir]

We'll try again. What was the crime rate in Ferguson at the time? What was the murder rate at the time? Who were the primary perpetrators? Who were the victims?

Ok...more directly...Mike Brown...perpetrator or victim? Hands up don't shoot...true 'cause' or bull**** lie?

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All of which are utterly irrelevant to the massive underlying problems that Ferguson has been experiencing for decades.

Thanks for proving my point that you knew nothing about them. Here, let me help you with that:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...thing-ferguson-report/?utm_term=.65d658bc1db2
Here Are Some Of The Worst Parts Of The DOJ Ferguson Report | Huffington Post

No, no need to thank me.

 

[VanceMack]

All of which are utterly irrelevant to the massive underlying problems that Ferguson has been experiencing for decades.

Thanks for proving my point that you knew nothing about them. Here, let me help you with that:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...thing-ferguson-report/?utm_term=.65d658bc1db2
Here Are Some Of The Worst Parts Of The DOJ Ferguson Report | Huffington Post

No, no need to thank me.

You'll pardon me if I don't take Holders findings (all of which I have read pretty thoroughly) too seriously. Now...would you like to answer the question or do you just want to continue to ignore the brutal reality of life in Ferguson (and pretty much every other major city with a large minority community) and continue to blame the cops? Do you want to continue to refuse to admit that everything about Ferguson protests and the bull**** cases that spawned a 'cause' was a lie?


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[Tanngrisnir]

You'll pardon me if I don't take Holders findings (all of which I have read pretty thoroughly) too seriously.

You'll forgive me for pointing out that you have no answer or rational challenge to the investigatory findings and that they weren't Holder's, they were those of his investigators.

Now...would you like to answer the question or do you just want to continue to ignore the brutal reality of life in Ferguson (and pretty much every other major city with a large minority community) and continue to blame the cops? Do you want to continue to refuse to admit that everything about Ferguson protests and the bull**** cases that spawned a 'cause' was a lie?

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Thanks again for admitting that you have no idea what you're braying about and cannot address the real issues from Ferguson.

You can lit to yourself all you'd like; I'm simply not interested in your fantasies. Try reality some day. You might like it!

 

[Excon]

He also used the Holocaust as an analogy to slavery as a reason for current circumstances, but the Jews in America are doing awesome compared to African Americans.

Yeah, that was another of his idiotic comparisons.

 

[VanceMack]

You'll forgive me for pointing out that you have no answer or rational challenge to the investigatory findings and that they weren't Holder's, they were those of his investigators.

Thanks again for admitting that you have no idea what you're braying about and cannot address the real issues from Ferguson.

You can lit to yourself all you'd like; I'm simply not interested in your fantasies. Try reality some day. You might like it!

What's the Matter With Missouri's Murder Rate? | RealClearPolicy

That's the 'real' problem in Ferguson. People be killin folk there.

Face it. A piece of **** thug that had an extensive criminal record attacked a store clerk and then just a few minutes later attacked a cop. That piece of **** was shot by the cop while he was trying to get the cops gun. He was shot again moments later when he charged the cop. His piece of **** friend lied and said the poor widdle man had surrendered like a good innocent widdle man and was executed by the eeeeeevil policeman. And Ferguson burned. Twice. Over lies.



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[Tanngrisnir]

What's the Matter With Missouri's Murder Rate? | RealClearPolicy

That's the 'real' problem in Ferguson. People be killin folk there.

Face it. A piece of **** thug that had an extensive criminal record attacked a store clerk and then just a few minutes later attacked a cop. That piece of **** was shot by the cop while he was trying to get the cops gun. He was shot again moments later when he charged the cop. His piece of **** friend lied and said the poor widdle man had surrendered like a good innocent widdle man and was executed by the eeeeeevil policeman. And Ferguson burned. Twice. Over lies.

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Thanks again for utterly dodging the point and proving my point.

Sorry that you don't seem to understand the word 'underlying', and that I wasn't talking about Mike Brown.

 

[VanceMack]

Thanks again for utterly dodging the point and proving my point.

Sorry that you don't seem to understand the word 'underlying', and that I wasn't talking about Mike Brown.

:lamo

Horse****. Mike Brown was the figurehead of the Ferguson rights and for months people used him as the poor widdle innocent victim and cornerstone of the BLdM movement. Geeeeeezus dood....if you can't be honest about THAT then really there is no point in continuing this.

Everything about that whole incident was a lie. And hell...even NOW you lack the integrity to admit it.


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[Geoist]

He is an ungreatfull jerk with zero street cred with the true "non-Oreo" blacks.

*Psst* the word is 'ungrateful.'

 

[JasperL]

What was Ferguson's crime rate at the time? Murder rate? Who were the primary perpetrators? More importantly...who were the primary victims?

Yes...its the cops fault. And society's fault. And the slave traders. And white people. I'm sure Bush is involved somewhere in there. And Trump. And the CIA. And corporate America.

Yeah, OK, I can see that there is no point trying to have an adult conversation about the issue.

 

[JasperL]

:lamo

Horse****. Mike Brown was the figurehead of the Ferguson rights and for months people used him as the poor widdle innocent victim and cornerstone of the BLdM movement. Geeeeeezus dood....if you can't be honest about THAT then really there is no point in continuing this.

Everything about that whole incident was a lie. And hell...even NOW you lack the integrity to admit it.

That's pretty damn funny - comment like that followed by accusing someone else not having any "integrity."

 

[Geoist]

Yeah, OK, I can see that there is no point trying to have an adult conversation about the issue.

That's pretty much how it goes. Conservatives will throw out every hyperbole about liberals in the book just to derail any serious debate.