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Seriously - Why Do You Care?[W:716]

Re: Seriously - Why Do You Care?

Thrilla said:
if you can't measure the negative impact of abortion on society, how exactly is it that you are you argue that amount equals precisely zero again?

'you are also arguing that if you are murdered today, your murder has no negative impact .... thus rendering the rationale behind murder laws moot.

yours is a poor line of argumentation... you're doing nothing more than exposing your callousness towards humans.
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How can you measure the negative impacts cause by my murder in a future tense?

To make it more dramatic you're claiming that something that's NEVER EXISTED AMONG BORN persons and societies have to ability to have SOME UNKNOWN type of impact. How the hell is that possible?

You are doing nothing more than making up an emotion argument that abortion negatively impacts society when there is clear evidence to the contrary. "Measurable evidence" if one wants to spend the time to put a pencil to it. People need to use their heads for something other than a hat rack.
 
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Removable Mind said:
How can you measure the negative impacts cause by my murder in a future tense?

To make it more dramatic you're claiming that something that's NEVER EXISTED AMONG BORN persons and societies have to ability to have SOME UNKNOWN type of impact. How the hell is that possible?

You are doing nothing more than making up an emotion argument that abortion negatively impacts society when there is clear evidence to the contrary. "Measurable evidence" if one wants to spend the time to put a pencil to it. People need to use their heads for something other than a hat rack.
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I guess I can't measure the negative impacts of your murder... so obviously it's ok to murder you.:cool:

well, at least you've backed off your claim that abortion has exactly zero negative impacts on society and changed it to an "unknown type of negative impact"... that's more accurate, and i'm cool with it.
 
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Thrilla said:
I guess I can't measure the negative impacts of your murder... so obviously it's ok to murder you.:cool:

well, at least you've backed off your claim that abortion has exactly zero negative impacts on society and changed it to an "unknown type of negative impact"... that's more accurate, and i'm cool with it.
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No, I'm not at all backing off of your INABILITY to define what types of negative impacts you claim occurs as a result of abortion. It's impossible. You know as well as your sitting behind your computer - YOU are making claims that you have zero way to measure or back up.
 
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Removable Mind said:
No, I'm not at all backing off of your INABILITY to define what types of negative impacts you claim occurs as a result of abortion. It's impossible. You know as well as your sitting behind your computer - YOU are making claims that you have zero way to measure or back up.
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it is impossible... which is why i find it odd that you are making a positive claim that there are absolutely no negative impacts.

if it is impossible to know.. how is it you are claiming to know?
 
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Dragonfly said:
Why do you care what other people do regarding their sex lives and procreational practices?

Why do you care one way or the other if somebody you've never met or known has an abortion or not?

Why do you care if a drug addicted prostitute aborts an unwanted pregnancy?

Why do you care if a female CEO making a high six-figure salary aborts an unwanted pregnancy for no other reason than she doesn't want a baby messing up her career?

Why do you care? What's it to you? Why is what other people do such a concern for you?
Are you directly threatened by it? Are you directly effected by it?

What's the driving force behind your position on this?
Why do you personally feel the need to justify your stance?
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Me, personally, I care about (1) freedom and (2) liberty and (3) democracy.

Those are my 3 highest ideals.

Those are 3 reasons that I would kill for and that I would die for.

Semper Fi.
 
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Thrilla said:
I guess I can't measure the negative impacts of your murder... so obviously it's ok to murder you.:cool:

well, at least you've backed off your claim that abortion has exactly zero negative impacts on society and changed it to an "unknown type of negative impact"... that's more accurate, and i'm cool with it.
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Abortion is a crime.

But telling other people what to do is a worse crime.
 
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Riveroaks said:
Abortion is a crime.

But telling other people what to do is a worse crime.
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I find it immoral and repugnant... but it's not a crime.

telling other people what to do isn't a crime either.... though forcing them to do it may very well be.

if telling other people what to do was a crime, our entire govt would be in jail :lol:
 
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Thrilla said:
it is impossible... which is why i find it odd that you are making a positive claim that there are absolutely no negative impacts.

if it is impossible to know.. how is it you are claiming to know?
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Man, your own your best spin a yarn night. You're full of diversions, distractions, and outright refuse to acknowledge that YOU CAN'T PROVE your claim...either by measure or definition of those things that not yet born entities have to make an impacts on humanity...good, bad, or indifferent.

How much longer are you going to continue to make this false claim pretending all the time its something real? Man, few times do I ask, "have you no shame?", but I really can't think of a more appropriate question to ask you at this moment.
 
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Riveroaks said:
Me, personally, I care about (1) freedom and (2) liberty and (3) democracy.

Those are my 3 highest ideals.

Those are 3 reasons that I would kill for and that I would die for.

Semper Fi.
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you're a dying breed..... those ideals are in fashion anymore..... not in American politics anyways,.
 
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Thrilla said:
I find it immoral and repugnant... but it's not a crime.

telling other people what to do isn't a crime either.... though forcing them to do it may very well be.

if telling other people what to do was a crime, our entire govt would be in jail :lol:
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Our Government is of the people by the people for the people.

As long as a majority of the people agree then that is our law.

I may not like the law, but that is the will of the people.

I will support the people.
 
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Removable Mind said:
Man, your own your best spin a yarn night. You're full of diversions, distractions, and outright refuse to acknowledge that YOU CAN'T PROVE your claim...either by measure or definition of those things that not yet born entities have to make an impacts on humanity...good, bad, or indifferent.

How much longer are you going to continue to make this false claim pretending all the time its something real? Man, few times do I ask, "have you no shame?", but I really can't think of a more appropriate question to ask you at this moment.
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you keep typing, but you fail to provide substantiation for your claim.

don't blame me for pointing out the flaw in your argument, blame yourself for making a flawed argument.
 
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Riveroaks said:
Our Government is of the people by the people for the people.

As long as a majority of the people agree then that is our law.

I may not like the law, but that is the will of the people.

I will support the people.
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not I...the mob is fickle and easily fooled.

proper ideals is where it's at.
 
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Thrilla said:
you keep typing, but you fail to provide substantiation for your claim.

don't blame me for pointing out the flaw in your argument, blame yourself for making a flawed argument.
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There is no flaw in my argument. You want to lie about having a legitimate argument. You don't have a measure or definition of those things that the yet to be born can employ to cause impacts of any kind on humanity...EVER.
 
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Removable Mind said:
There is no flaw in my argument. You want to lie about having a legitimate argument. You don't have a measure or definition of those things that the yet to be born can employ to cause impacts of any kind on humanity...EVER.
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I have told no lies.... keep yourself in check.

you don't have a measure or definition either... and yet you have concluded exactly what you wanted to conclude from the outset ( abortion can only have positive impacts on society.

there is a glaring flaw in your argument... you are making a positive claim based on information you say is impossible to know.

you were correct when you said unknown negative impacts... but you decided to get back on your horse and argue there are NO negative impacts.
now you get to prove your claim ( fat chance of that happening)
 
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Thrilla said:
why do we disallow murder?... if there's no effect on society over killing humans, why bother barring such behavior?
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Murder is illegal because it violates a person's right to life, which is protected by the Constitution.

And of course the effect of that loss on a person's family, friends, job, community, etc can be observed, even measured, even if small.
 
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Thrilla said:
that's a sad stat..... too bad nobody is championing adoption anymore.. not pro-lifers,certainly not pro-choicers.. and not the govt.

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Interesting speculation....care to put any kind of foundation under it?

If I remember correctly many liberals and/or Democrats spoke up loudly before and during the SSM court challenges and other gay rights issues supporting gay adoption. (The trend tends to be that liberals and Democrats are more pro-choice....jus' sayin'.)
 
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Thrilla said:
why do we disallow murder?... if there's no effect on society over killing humans, why bother barring such behavior?
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David_N said:
There's no effect on society when murder occurs? :lamo
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Thrilla said:
your fellow pro-abortionist seem to believe there is no effect on society when humans are killed.

take it up with them if you disagree.
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?? What does murder have to do with abortion?
 
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Thrilla said:
lucky you... i got 10, at best.

Semper Fi , teufelhunden
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Yay though I walk thru the valley of the shadow of death I fear no evil.

For there is nothing on this Earth that I cannot kill.

This is my rifle.

My rifle is my best friend.

This is my pistol

My pistol is my second best friend second only to my rifle.
 
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Lursa said:
Murder is illegal because it violates a person's right to life, which is protected by the Constitution.

And of course the effect of that loss on a person's family, friends, job, community, etc can be observed, even measured, even if small.
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and of course, a fetus has no worth , so they can be killed with impunity... or so the pro-abortion mantra goes.

I'm sure there are potential mothers fathers, and family members who are affected by the abortion they had... but i guess that stuff conveniently doesn't' count as "negative impacts" when it come to abortion.

you should talk to my ex wife about "negative impacts" of abortion.... i'm sure she has a long list.
 
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There were a lot of weird happenings when I was a kid. Black folk, for example, lived in the "bottoms." It was not uncommon to enter a migrant shack to find eight little young-uns running around while the old man sat on the couch drinking all day. I don't see that much anymore. Other things, too. Like crossing state lines, it was common for the police to do vehicle searches. And god help ya if you had long hair, they'd literally rip the back seat right out of your car, searching for contraband substances. And tear the trunk up, too. Abortions? Well people traveled into the city for those. And the stories of people paying $20 to this guy to get an address to that guy, they're all true. For $150. you could get an illegal abortion. But women often bled to death, or got infections. Even the professionals couldn't do it right because abortions hadn't been medically perfected yet. You know I once saw a kid get twenty-four moving violations while riding a bicycle? Truth. Things were different.
 
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Thrilla said:
the very fact that there is a forum dedicated to the issue proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that society is effected by abortion..... if there was no effect, it would be a complete non-issue.
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It proves no such thing. "Abortion" has no negative effect on society (that has been demonstrated).

Making abortion illegal would have profound negative effects on individual women, women as a group, and society. That is why it is an issue worth discussion. To choose to ignore these consequences and push for making abortion illegal is certainly no moral High Ground.
 
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Thrilla said:
actually, the burden of proof is on you... i'm saying your claim that abortion has no effect society is wrong.
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We cant prove a negative, lolol.

If there are no negative effects, we cant show them. :doh

Now...how about you show us what they are, if they do exist?
 
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