Serious racism afoot at the University of Wisconsin

TurtleDude · Sep 16, 2011

The odds ratio favoring African Americans and Hispanics over whites was 576-to-1 and 504-to-1, respectively, using the SAT and class rank while controlling for other factors. Thus, the median composite SAT score for black admittees was 150 points lower than for whites and Asians, and the Latino median SAT score was 100 points lower. Using the ACT, the odds ratios climbed to 1330-to-1 and 1494-to-1, respectively, for African Americans and Hispanics over whites.

For law school admissions, the racial discrimination found was also severe, with the weight given to ethnicity much greater than given to, for example, Wisconsin residency. Thus, an out-of-state black applicant with grades and LSAT scores at the median for that group would have had a 7 out 10 chance of admission and an out-of-state Hispanic a 1 out of 3 chance—but an in-state Asian with those grades and scores had a 1 out of 6 chance and an in-state white only a 1 out of 10 chance.

http://www.ceousa.org/content/view/929/119/

Risky Thicket · Sep 16, 2011

I thought you lived in Ohio.

RiverDad · Sep 16, 2011

And liberals like to prance around pretending that they're not racists. This news is disgusting. So much for merit. The biggest victims here are poor-whites living in Wisconsin who fall on the margin of being admitted or denied. The upper-class white kids always have other options.

ecofarm · Sep 17, 2011

Direct qualm:

The study’s conclusions (or at least the presentationthereof) are a simple mathematical disconnect. The odds include the likelihoodof being included in a quota, either directly or indirectly. If the quota wasremoved, the odds would appear similar. In order to disguise this sleight ofhand, the study utilizes ‘composite medians’ instead of means; however, thedisassociation of a quota remains within the calculation.

Meta qualm (presumably):

The cultural bias argument, which I believe is a matter ofeconomic cultural bias, must be included (to some extent). Blacks and Hispanicsare more likely a lower economic class, for different reasons (history andrecent immigrant, respectively). As there exists a correlation between Blacks/Hispanicsand lower economic class/culture, the system’s bias (via quotas) is acorrection for not only ethnic culture but economic culture in seeking out the brightestminds for acceptance (let’s not pretend that affirmative action is only aboutrace). It is unlikely that the study controlled for this, the fundamentalmotive, impact upon the disconnected odds.

@RiverDad

Is your interpretation of the OP quotation under the same lens as this:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/educa...ap-being-injected-into-schools-gardening.html

I’d contend they are equally attentive. The reaction to Rush’s analysis parallels the reaction to this disconnect of an analysis; that being,without question or knowledge.

Cecil James · Sep 19, 2011

TurtleDude said:
The odds ratio favoring African Americans and Hispanics over whites was 576-to-1 and 504-to-1....
http://www.ceousa.org/content/view/929/119/

I do believe universities should provide for a multi-ethnic environment. Not just for the ethnicities that often come from disadvantaged places in life, but for caucasian students who will graduate and and work in a multi-ethnic work environment. Having said this, at face value, this is indeed overboard. I am curious to know if the study was calibrated for family income. In other words, if you take average test scores for students coming from a family income less than (let's just say $50,000/year) how would thatest score comparisons look. Do you know if this data exists?

Republican Racism

Thunder · Sep 19, 2011

Racism is the belief that one race is superior or inferior to another.

I see no racism mentioned in the OP.

Wake · Sep 19, 2011

Thunder said:
Racism is the belief that one race is superior or inferior to another.

I see no racism mentioned in the OP.

The odds ratio favoring African Americans and Hispanics over whites was 576-to-1 and 504-to-1, respectively, using the SAT and class rank while controlling for other factors. Thus, the median composite SAT score for black admittees was 150 points lower than for whites and Asians, and the Latino median SAT score was 100 points lower. Using the ACT, the odds ratios climbed to 1330-to-1 and 1494-to-1, respectively, for African Americans and Hispanics over whites.

So if the reverse were true, it wouldn't be racism?

liblady · Sep 19, 2011

seems quite egregious until you get to the part about the overall percentage of applicants........how disengenuous.

Table 2. Racial/Ethnic Composition of Applicants and Admittees
Year
2007
Applicants Admittees
Black 2.60% 2.90%

Hispanic 3.10% 4.40%

Asian 7.90% 7.80%

White 86.40% 84.90%

2008
Black 2.20% 2.60%

Hispanic 3.20% 4.60%

Asian 7.50% 7.30%

White 87.10% 85.50%

Wake · Sep 19, 2011

liblady said:
seems quite egregious until you get to the part about the overall percentage of applicants........how disengenuous.

Table 2. Racial/Ethnic Composition of Applicants and Admittees
Year
2007
Black Admittees Applicants
2.60% 2.90%

Hispanic 3.10% 4.40%

Asian 7.90% 7.80%

White 86.40% 84.90%

2008
Black 2.20% 2.60%

Hispanic 3.20% 4.60%

Asian 7.50% 7.30%

White 87.10% 85.50%

So because there's more white applicants at a school, it's best to favor non-whites over them at the probable cost of competency?

sangha · Sep 19, 2011

liblady said:
seems quite egregious until you get to the part about the overall percentage of applicants........how disengenuous.

Table 2. Racial/Ethnic Composition of Applicants and Admittees
Year
2007
Black Admittees Applicants
2.60% 2.90%

Hispanic 3.10% 4.40%

Asian 7.90% 7.80%

White 86.40% 84.90%

2008
Black 2.20% 2.60%

Hispanic 3.20% 4.60%

Asian 7.50% 7.30%

White 87.10% 85.50%

Not to mention that SAT's and LSAT's are a ineffective measure of a persons qualifications

But the white racists will always complain when their racist measures are not considered sacrosanct

Thunder · Sep 19, 2011

Wake said:
So because there's more white applicants at a school, it's best to favor non-whites over them at the probable cost of competency?

is there something wrong with a private institution having cultural diversity as a goal?

sangha · Sep 19, 2011

Thunder said:
is there something wrong with a private institution having cultural diversity as a goal?

Of course there is!! Schools are meant to collect people who score high on tests. Anything else is just silly :roll:

Wake · Sep 19, 2011

Thunder said:
is there something wrong with a private institution having cultural diversity as a goal?

In that it uses racism to make things "more fair"? I'd wager yes.

Competency should be the main factor in getting into a college. Not skin color.

DrunkenAsparagus · Sep 19, 2011

sangha said:
Of course there is!! Schools are meant to collect people who score high on tests. Anything else is just silly :roll:

There's nothing wrong with diversity. It certainly helps students, but the notion that diversity should be equated with race is ridiculous.

Thunder · Sep 19, 2011

DrunkenAsparagus said:
There's nothing wrong with diversity. It certainly helps students, but the notion that diversity should be equated with race is ridiculous.

a school that is racially, religiously, & ethnically diverse is a worth-while goal.

sangha · Sep 19, 2011

DrunkenAsparagus said:
There's nothing wrong with diversity. It certainly helps students, but the notion that diversity should be equated with race is ridiculous.

I said nothing about diversity. I mentioned the foolishness (and possible racism) of using a test that doesn't measure anything worthwhile wrt qualifications for admittance to college and law school

MKULTRABOY · Sep 19, 2011

DrunkenAsparagus said:
There's nothing wrong with diversity. It certainly helps students, but the notion that diversity should be equated with race is ridiculous.

Race in this context is a conception instituted by western european culture on members of perceived races. Are we going to act like it hasn't existed for the last 500 years? Or that it's meaningless now? Ethnic policy could be better... but its not like anyone is willing to do this any other way.

Wake · Sep 19, 2011

Thunder said:
a school that is racially, religiously, & ethnically diverse is a worth-while goal.

School's focus is academics, not diversity.

MKULTRABOY · Sep 19, 2011

Wake said:
School's focus is academics, not diversity.

And when one race dominates to the detriment of others... for say... 500 years up to 50 years ago.... then wat? Sorry if actually accomplishing things and having goals as a nation and working between races is hard, i feel like a victim too... :roll:

sangha · Sep 19, 2011

Wake said:
School's focus is academics, not diversity.

Is that why they give out preferences to legacy students and atheletes?

For the academics?

Wake · Sep 19, 2011

SE102 said:
And when one race dominates to the detriment of others... for say... 500 years up to 50 years ago.... then wat? Sorry if actually accomplishing things and having goals as a nation and working between races is hard, i feel like a victim too... :roll:

So use racism to favor the less competent over the more competent?

sangha said:
Is that why they give out preferences to legacy students and atheletes?

For the academics?

What do you mean by legacy student?

School is for learning. Not sports. Not politics. Not diversity.

It is for learning important topics like science and math.

sangha · Sep 19, 2011

Wake said:
What do you mean by legacy student?

Applicants who are excepted because their parents went to the school. It's done to encourage the parents to donate money to the school where, you know, they focus on "academics" :lol:

School is for learning. Not sports. Not politics. Not diversity.
It is for learning important topics like science and math.

Click to expand...

Actually, many are for making money. And govts give them money for many reasons, not just learning.

Stating your beliefs as facts do not make your beliefs magically transform into facts

MKULTRABOY · Sep 19, 2011

Wake said:
So use racism to favor the less competent over the more competent?

It's not racism theres no conception of a superior race or a would be caste system in this case. It's strategic redistribution of education opportunities to break a construct of a caste system that has existed for 500 years. Perspective please if we actually want to address this?

Wake · Sep 19, 2011

sangha said:
Applicants who are excepted because their parents went to the school. It's done to encourage the parents to donate money to the school where, you know, they focus on "academics" :lol:

Actually, many are for making money. And govts give them money for many reasons, not just learning.

Stating your beliefs as facts do not make your beliefs magically transform into facts

School is meant for learning.

Not for donating money. Not to be a business. Etc.

School is meant for learning academic issues.

school/sko͞ol/

Noun: An institution for educating children.

Verb: Send to school; educate.

Thunder · Sep 19, 2011

Wake said:
What do you mean by legacy student?..

this is a joke, right?

Serious racism afoot at the University of Wisconsin

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