Senators vow to strip Obama climate power

[ptif219]

Gop plans to stop Obama's end around the congress. Obama is trying to legislate through department regulation. Soon Obama will make congress powerless


Senators vow to strip Obama climate power


Conservative senators vowed Monday to strip President Barack Obama of his power to regulate greenhouse gases, in a move that would cripple US efforts on climate change if successful.

Eleven Republican senators introduced a bill that would stop the Environmental Protection Agency from regulating greenhouse gases, which scientists blame for global warming, without explicit approval by Congress.

Under Obama, the federal agency has steadily increased standards on gas emissions. The Republicans accused Obama of circumventing Congress, where a so-called "cap-and-trade" bill to mandate emission curbs died last year.

 

[Deuce]

We could have gotten cap and trade, but you guys didn't go for it so you got Just A Cap. Enjoy.

Weird how Cap and Trade was a FREE MARKET SOLUTION in October 2008 but in December 2008 it was socialism.

 

[Hoplite]

Is there ANYTHING the Republicans are willing to work with the president on? I mean anything AT ALL?

 

[ptif219]

We could have gotten cap and trade, but you guys didn't go for it so you got Just A Cap. Enjoy.

Weird how Cap and Trade was a FREE MARKET SOLUTION in October 2008 but in December 2008 it was socialism.

Cap and trade is the government control of all business. The taxes will destroy many business

 

[ptif219]

Is there ANYTHING the Republicans are willing to work with the president on? I mean anything AT ALL?

Yes repeal Obamacare

 

[Deuce]

Cap and trade is the government control of all business. The taxes will destroy many business

Taxation is not control. Regulation is not control.

By your logic, every single industry is already under government control, so what's the difference?

 

[Hoplite]

Yes repeal Obamacare

Do you wonder why people call the Republicans the party of no?

 

[spud_meister]

Wow, so Obama could actually control the climate? He's more awesome than I give him credit for.

 

[Deuce]

Wow, so Obama could actually control the climate? He's more awesome than I give him credit for.

Obama/Dr. Doom 2012! America needs a supervillain to keep her strong!

 

[Renae]

Is there ANYTHING the Republicans are willing to work with the president on? I mean anything AT ALL?

Amazing how suddenly the GOP has to work with Obama, when he spent the last two years spitting on the Republicans.

 

[Jetboogieman]

Amazing how suddenly the GOP has to work with Obama, when he spent the last two years spitting on the Republicans.

Oh yes, and they've just been noble white knights the last 2 years... :roll:

 

[pragmatic]

Taxation is not control. Regulation is not control.

By your logic, every single industry is already under government control, so what's the difference?

Yes it is. By definition regulation is control. Often it is necessary. But sometimes the power is abused to promote an agenda. Personal opinion is that is what we had here with the Cap and Trade proposals.


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[cpgrad08]

When the Policy are bad for America or one branch is gaining too much power ( the reason why have checks and balances). Then it's the job of the other branches in this case Congress to fight back. Also the Republicans ran on the platform of fighting back against Obama in the 2010 midterms and form the results of that election that's what American people want.

 

[Renae]

Oh yes, and they've just been noble white knights the last 2 years... :roll:

Oh don't start that crap. It takes both sides willing to reach out, but for the last 2 years... reaching out didn't really matter. Now sudden;y it's important? Spare us all the BS would ya?

 

[Ed Gein]

Amazing how suddenly the GOP has to work with Obama, when he spent the last two years spitting on the Republicans.

Exactly, a bitter pill for the jug-eared chump on Penn Ave.

 

[Deuce]

Yes it is. By definition regulation is control. Often it is necessary. But sometimes the power is abused to promote an agenda. Personal opinion is that is what we had here with the Cap and Trade proposals.


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Personal opinions which mysteriously shifted among the GOP right after November 2008. Before then I had been arguing for something more drastic and direct. My conservative friends told me Cap and Trade was best because it was a free market solution. Sarah Palin told me that too.

Mere months after the election Palin is writing blog pieces about how it will DESTROY AMERICA RAAARRR

edit: Quick googling tells me Huckabee also.

Cap and Trade, incidentally, has been estimated to cost between $800 and $1600 per household per year, depending on who you ask. (the $1500 per year by 2035 came from the Heritage Foundation, a conservative group) That also doesn't include the rebate. Far less than some of the absurd numbers thrown about by the GOP and conservatives.

 

[pragmatic]

Personal opinions which mysteriously shifted among the GOP right after November 2008. Before then I had been arguing for something more drastic and direct. My conservative friends told me Cap and Trade was best because it was a free market solution. Sarah Palin told me that too.

Mere months after the election Palin is writing blog pieces about how it will DESTROY AMERICA RAAARRR

edit: Quick googling tells me Huckabee also.

Cap and Trade, incidentally, has been estimated to cost between $800 and $1600 per household per year, depending on who you ask. (the $1500 per year by 2035 came from the Heritage Foundation, a conservative group) That also doesn't include the rebate. Far less than some of the absurd numbers thrown about by the GOP and conservatives.

Just don't remember too many (or any) on the conservative side support the carbon tax. If they did I would disagree with them.

Do you have any links to times when Palin, Huckabee, etc. were in support of the carbon tax proposals....?? :thinking

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[Jetboogieman]

Oh don't start that crap. It takes both sides willing to reach out, but for the last 2 years... reaching out didn't really matter. Now sudden;y it's important? Spare us all the BS would ya?

Is that a tear in your eye? Relax.

In my Honest opinion both parties are pieces of **** ok.

The way both parties have acted over the last 2 years, and even before, I would be ashamed to call myself a republican or a democrat.

 

[American]

We could have gotten cap and trade, but you guys didn't go for it so you got Just A Cap. Enjoy.

Weird how Cap and Trade was a FREE MARKET SOLUTION in October 2008 but in December 2008 it was socialism.

Since when is govt control equal to free market? :roll:

 

[American]

Oh yes, and they've just been noble white knights the last 2 years... :roll:

Only when the socialists are out of power should the Republicans be bi-partisan, but as soon as the socialists are back in power they lock the Republicans out of the room.

 

[American]

Oh don't start that crap. It takes both sides willing to reach out, but for the last 2 years... reaching out didn't really matter. Now sudden;y it's important? Spare us all the BS would ya?

The Dem definition of reaching across the aisle, is when you see only Republican arms.

 

[Hoplite]

Amazing how suddenly the GOP has to work with Obama, when he spent the last two years spitting on the Republicans.

Are you at all surprised? I mean, be realistic for a moment. If you were the President and one of the parties basically said when you took office "We are going to do everything we can to make your life miserable," is that going to make you want to reach across the aisle? I'm personally stunned Obama has been as outgoing towards Republicans as he has been given their behavior.

 

[Deuce]

Just don't remember too many (or any) on the conservative side support the carbon tax. If they did I would disagree with them.

Do you have any links to times when Palin, Huckabee, etc. were in support of the carbon tax proposals....?? :thinking

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Wind and Water Power Program: NewsDetail
Tim Pawlenty signs a bill that includes cap and trade. Later says he's against it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yt3Q_98hl4&feature=player_embedded
Huckabee. "Climate change is all of our faults, and all our responsibility."
Talks about implementing a "true cap and trade."

There are several other instances of Huckabee expressing support for cap and trade, stricter vehicle emissions standards, etc. Repeatedly says it's our responsibility.

Sarah Palin, Vice Presidential Debate
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89FbCPzAsRA
(29 minutes in starts climate change discussion)
"I was the first governor to form a climate change subcabinet. We've got to reduce emissions."
(at 34 minutes)
Asked if supporting emissions caps.
"I do. I do."

Newt Gingrich
FRONTLINE: hot politics: interviews: newt gingrich | PBS

What was it that convinced you that global warming was a real and pressing problem?

Oh, I think the weight of evidence over time [convinced me] that it's something that you ought to be careful about. As a conservative, I think you ought to be prudent, and it seems to me that the conservative approach should be to minimize the risk of a really catastrophic change.
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In 2000, candidate George Bush pledged mandatory carbon caps; it was a campaign pledge. What did you think of it at the time? Were you for that?

I think if you have mandatory carbon caps combined with a trading system, much like we did with sulfur, and if you have a tax-incentive program for investing in the solutions, that there's a package there that's very, very good. And frankly, it's something I would strongly support.

Since when is govt control equal to free market? :roll:

Hey, it was your party saying it, not mine. The idea is that the cap and trade system provides a financial advantage to companies that operate efficiently from an emissions standpoint. Those companies will have excess credits to sell to other companies for an additional revenue stream. But Deuce, that just means the emissions are just transferred to another company and the net result is the same.

Really? Sure about that? I mean, the company buying the credits has a financial disadvantage - they're forced to buy credits to make up for their inefficient ways. If all companies have a financial incentive to operate cleaner, you really don't think the market is going to gravitate towards the companies that do that? After all, their better bottom line means they can offer lower prices or better products at the same price, generally speaking.

We are also developing proposals that make use of market incentives to control air pollution caused by sulfur dioxide and nitrogen oxide emissions and the causes of acid rain.

-Ronald Reagan. Alluding to support for something along the cap and trade lines. His administration didn't accomplish it for acid rain emissions, but Bush Sr. did in 1990. Reagan did enact a cap and trade system relating to lead in gasoline.
http://belfercenter.ksg.harvard.edu/analysis/stavins/?p=762

In the 1980s, President Ronald Reagan’s Environmental Protection Agency successfully put in place a cap-and-trade system to phase out leaded gasoline. The result was a more rapid elimination of leaded gasoline from the marketplace than anyone had anticipated, and at a savings of some $250 million per year, compared with a conventional no-trade, command-and-control approach.

Then there's Bush Jr.
The Clear Skies Initiative

The Cap and Trade System in the Clear Skies Initiative

HOW DOES IT WORK?

The basis of cap and trade is that the government DOESN'T tell you HOW to clean up your act.

The list of Cap and Trade supporters
Reagan (lead in gasoline)
Bush Sr. (acid rain pollutants)
Bush Jr. (further reduction to acid rain pollutants)
John McCain
Sarah Palin
Tim Pawlenty
Mike Huckabee
Newt Gingrich

Man. Look at all them liberals.

 

[Jetboogieman]

Only when the socialists are out of power should the Republicans be bi-partisan, but as soon as the socialists are back in power they lock the Republicans out of the room.

Another person with a liberal interpretation of the word socialism

 

[iamitter]

When the Policy are bad for America or one branch is gaining too much power ( the reason why have checks and balances). Then it's the job of the other branches in this case Congress to fight back. Also the Republicans ran on the platform of fighting back against Obama in the 2010 midterms and form the results of that election that's what American people want.

Doesn't look like it, honestly.

"Americans support the general idea of bipartisanship and cooperation across party lines. They are more likely to align themselves with a "compromise to get things done" position than a "stick to principle" position when asked where they stand on a 5-point scale anchored by these two options.

Americans strongly desire that their political leaders work together. They want President Obama to work to get things done with Republicans even if it's not exactly what Democrats want. They also want Republican leaders in Congress to work with Obama and Democratic leaders to pass new legislation that both parties can agree on.

Americans are not optimistic that things will get better, however. Half say the government will be about the same now that the Republicans are in control of the House. Americans are also not convinced that the intermingling of Democrats and Republicans sitting in the House during the State of the Union address signaled a new era of cooperation."

The State of the Union Speech and Public Opinion