Senator Obama may run

[Iriemon]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stinger
It's not JUST a change of mind, especially something as important as running for the highest elected office. To say on one week that you haven't thought about it and then the next week to say

"SEN. OBAMA: The—I would say that I am still at the point where I have not made a decision to, to pursue higher office, but it is true that I have thought about it over the last several months."

is a direct contradiction.

He'd better learn to make up his mind and speak what he thinks not what he thinks everyone else wants to hear him say.





Read slowly, it is NOT a change of mind, it is a direct contradiction in his statements that I am pointing out. If he had said, "Last week I had never thought about it but I did over the weekend and decided I just might try it" that would be one thing, still not great. Better if he had not said anything at all about it the last year and NOW announced that after months of reflection he may open the door, still breaking his promise but better. Those things will kill him in a national campaign. He said unequivically he would serve his full term. He didn't say he just wasn't think ing about running for president, that it may happen later but not now. He said under no uncertain terms he would serve out his full term. When you promise the public something about the office you are being elect to, to serve the people voting for you to the term you are asking for, to then tell them tough, it's not good on the "can you be trusted" scale.

And if he comes out with that phoney "I'm not doing this not because I want to but because I have to because the PEOPLE want me to" thing then even more not to elect him. If someone doesn't want it themselves, more than anything else, they shouldn't be in the office.



What important constitutional issues? He didn't name any, he tried to have it both ways. And he was bumbling through the whole thing. If he can't clearly state the reason for the most important vote he has probably cast, if he can't clearly state the principles he was upholding to take such a drastic action as not voting for a nominee to be the CJoSCOTUS he has a lonnnnnnnng way to go before he should ask people to elect him to the highest office.

He needs to complete his term and get some experience and accomplishment behind and learn to say what he means and mean what he says.

Well, I guess Barak can't count on ol' Sting's vote -- there's a shocker.

Good reason for me to take a closer look at the guy.

 

[Stinger]

Well, I guess Barak can't count on ol' Sting's vote -- there's a shocker.

At this point no, just based on his stands on the issues. But he needs the votes of Democrats to win not me, he's got a long way to go before he's ready. And he perhaps should keep his mouth shut during this election cycle, he doesn't have a dog in this hunt.

Good reason for me to take a closer look at the guy.

That is your choice, if you don't believe politicans should be held to their promises that's for you to decide. But I trust you never engaged in the "no new taxes" bashing of Bush1 then.

 

[Navy Pride]

I sure hope Obama runs.........He is a bigger liberal then Kerry and a clear choice for Moderates and Conservatives in this country.......

 

[26 X World Champs]

I'm glad that you agree that all this claptrap about Bush having a lower IQ than Kerry, or the lowest IQ ever, or whatever the latest claim is, is just ridiculous.

I do agree...it's all BS and meaningless drivel...and a diversion to this thread.

 

[Deegan]

I do agree...it's all BS and meaningless drivel...and a diversion to this thread.

Great, so we are back on track, and talking about Obama again?

 

[26 X World Champs]

You know, Stinger, you make some valid points as to his experience and his promise. I hadn't thought about his breaking his promise to his consituents, but my guess is that they would love to see him run for Prez. I also think that when he made his promise, he had every intention of fulfilling it. I don't like it when soemone makes a promise knowing they won't keep it. You can argue that's what he did, but I have not found any basis to doubt him.

You mean like Bush promising to not NATION BUILD?

During a debate with then-Vice President Al Gore on Oct. 11, 2000, in Winston-Salem, N.C., Bush said: "I don't think our troops ought to be used for what's called nation-building. . . . I think what we need to do is convince people who live in the lands they live in to build the nations. Maybe I'm missing something here. I mean, we're going to have a kind of nation-building corps from America? Absolutely not."

Source: http://www.boston.com/news/nation/a...ce_against_nation_building_bush_now_involved/

 

[TurtleDude]

Great, so we are back on track, and talking about Obama again?

Obama has several strengths

He speaks proper English and he is well educated
he isn't bogged down by the victim status so many American Blacks suffer from (His father is Kenyan not "Africa-American" and his mother is white)
He comes off well on the air

His views are suspect. He may have moderated them once he was thrust in the national spotlight after the real GOP candidate was done in by a duplicitous judge. Some of the reports I had seen about him before he became a senator indicated he was from the left wing of the party but who knows now

 

[Deegan]

Obama has several strengths

He speaks proper English and he is well educated
he isn't bogged down by the victim status so many American Blacks suffer from (His father is Kenyan not "Africa-American" and his mother is white)
He comes off well on the air

His views are suspect. He may have moderated them once he was thrust in the national spotlight after the real GOP candidate was done in by a duplicitous judge. Some of the reports I had seen about him before he became a senator indicated he was from the left wing of the party but who knows now

I honestly believe he used that, who wouldn't, I can't blame him, if not, he would be under the wheels!

I wait, I wait patiently..............

 

[Stinger]

His views are suspect. He may have moderated them once he was thrust in the national spotlight after the real GOP candidate was done in by a duplicitous judge. Some of the reports I had seen about him before he became a senator indicated he was from the left wing of the party but who knows now

He is starting to look Clintonian with his triangulations. May be a one hit wonder.

 

[PoliticalActivist]

If the Brother ran for President I vote for him too. Of course you Bush fans would flip out if a Brother like Obama would win. The elephant party always seem to look for fault in a person who might have a chance to make the difference here in America. I would never left my party to switch over to the Elephant party. As far as the so-called racist remark we all have some racism in our blood, and that's human nature just as long as we don't act on the thought. How many of you Bush fans would say the Bush is sexual harrassing Condelezza each time he walks up behind her,and put his hands on her shoulders without her permission? That's why racism can work in both races. The Elephant party believes in taking from the poor and giving it to the rich..how about that? Is that discrimination? Obama has a better chance to run then Jed who steal votes to keep his family well fed. In closing I hope Obama don't change his mind because of the intimindation and discrimination he's going to get. Hey since we all like to debate why nobody uses the Debate Politics chatroom? That way questions,answers,opinions,and statements can be read at the sametime.:fueltofir

 

[Iriemon]

... The Elephant party believes in taking from the poor and giving it to the rich...

I don't know if I agree with this statement. It is true the Republicans have been no big friends of the poorer folk, but I'm not sure if they have been taking from the poor and giving to the rich so much as borrowing from the future and giving to the rich. Real wages of the poorer have been stagnate but generally have not gone down. Federal spending on income support has risen from $143B to $196B from 2001 to 2005, a 37% increase that has well outpaced inflation (about 14%) and even GDP (about 27%) during the same period.

 

[Stinger]

If the Brother ran for President I vote for him too. Of course you Bush fans would flip out if a Brother like Obama would win.

What do you mean, you aren't making a racist statment are you? I hope not.

The elephant party always seem to look for fault in a person who might have a chance to make the difference here in America.

No more or less than the Dems, you seem to forget all the Dems running around saying Reagan was dumb and then Bush was dumb and everyone is a racist, you aren't doing that are you.

 

[ProudAmerican]

What do you mean, you aren't making a racist statment are you? I hope not.

racism must be created where it otherwise does not exist in order to further a political agenda.

its disgusting.

 

[Stinger]

I don't know if I agree with this statement. It is true the Republicans have been no big friends of the poorer folk, but I'm not sure if they have been taking from the poor and giving to the rich so much as borrowing from the future and giving to the rich. Real wages of the poorer have been stagnate but generally have not gone down. Federal spending on income support has risen from $143B to $196B from 2001 to 2005, a 37% increase that has well outpaced inflation (about 14%) and even GDP (about 27%) during the same period.

How many "poor" did Clinton and Carter take off the tax rolls completely eliminating the Federal Income Tax burdens? How many did Reagan and Bush2? How about the childcare tax CREDITS? Which side was it that pushed through wel-fare reform over strenuous objects of the other side which resulted in a lowering or poverty and increasing the number of people working and getting ahead?

Why is the party which does everything it can to keep people in poverty and on government assistence seen as the party that is "helping" the poor?

 

[Iriemon]

How many "poor" did Clinton and Carter take off the tax rolls completely eliminating the Federal Income Tax burdens? How many did Reagan and Bush2? How about the childcare tax CREDITS? Which side was it that pushed through wel-fare reform over strenuous objects of the other side which resulted in a lowering or poverty and increasing the number of people working and getting ahead?

Adjusting the federal income tax had no or marginal impact on the poorest, who did and do not pay federal income tax.

Why is the party which does everything it can to keep people in poverty and on government assistence seen as the party that is "helping" the poor?

The Republican part is generally not seen as the party that is helping the poor, in my experience.

 

[Navy Pride]

I actually hope Obama gets the Democratic nomination although sadly I don't think he will......

He is about as far left as you can go and a clear choice in the 2008 elections.......Moderates and Conservatives will not vote for him and he will not carry on state in the south......

 

[TurtleDude]

Adjusting the federal income tax had no or marginal impact on the poorest, who did and do not pay federal income tax.



The Republican part is generally not seen as the party that is helping the poor, in my experience.

That depends on how you define "Helping the Poor"

keeping people poor and dependent is no more helping them than a Pusher helps addicts by keeping them stoned

 

[PoliticalActivist]

I just love the way you members of the Elephant party predict things, and the killing part about it is you seem to always predict things in your party's favor. However you do have a rude awaking coming very soon believe me, and
Thanks to the Elephant party the economics is screwed like it is today. Stop blaming this mess on other partys,due to the fact that its been proven many times that the Elephant is affaid of the ant.

 

[Iriemon]

That depends on how you define "Helping the Poor"

keeping people poor and dependent is no more helping them than a Pusher helps addicts by keeping them stoned

I agree with that statement. However, there are ways to help the poor without keeping them poor and dependent.

 

[Navy Pride]

I agree with that statement. However, there are ways to help the poor without keeping them poor and dependent.

Democrats love keeping them poor and dependent.......That is how they get their vote.....

 

[Stinger]

Adjusting the federal income tax had no or marginal impact on the poorest, who did and do not pay federal income tax.

OK then let's out the taxes back on them so they can help pay down the deficit you so dislike.

 

[26 X World Champs]

I actually hope Obama gets the Democratic nomination although sadly I don't think he will......

He is about as far left as you can go

This should be fun! Tell us Navy Pride what his "views" are that make him "As far left as you can go"?

C'mon man you need to back up the bullshit with facts. You just made a very hard point that demands that you show us how you arrived at your statement...or is this the usual place that you cut and run and simply don't respond...and then you'll go ahead and repost the same falsehoods over and over again in this and future threads?

 

[26 X World Champs]

Democrats love keeping them poor and dependent.......That is how they get their vote.....

More bullshit from you NP? Please prove this statement too for I think it is completely untrue and I think you're making it all up...prove me wrong or cut and run NP?

BTW - Are the GOP wooing Black voters with their RNC sponsored ad they've been running for a week now in Tennessee? Watch this and then tell me that the National Party of the GOP are not trying to scare White people with old fashioned racist politics?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=kkiz1_d1GsA

 

[Gibberish]

Let's see if I am psychic. I predict no real answers from Navy Pride regarding Champs last posts.

 

[26 X World Champs]

Let's see if I am psychic. I predict no real answers from Navy Pride regarding Champs last posts.

As he would say about your post, "You can take it to the bank." :rofl