Hmm, I've heard good things about him but I've never heard anything about racially charged comments. What exactly did he say?t125eagle said:im nt sure honestly if i would vote for him. i didnt like the racially charged comments he has made.
Ah ok, thanks for clearing it up. :2razz:t125eagle said:my apologies for my earlier statement. i was wrong, i was thinking of Charles Rangel of New York.
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i did do a little bit of research trying to find the article. he might be the real thing, and he seems to be someone willing to be bipartison.
RightatNYU said:Obama is an empty suit. There's absolutely no way he will win the presidency, much less the nomination. He's great on paper, but has no real shot.
Deegan said:And you have an example of a young politician, or an old one for that matter, that fills one?
I think he will probably end up a vice president first, but to say he will never win, well I have heard that before.
RightatNYU said:Certainly. McCain, Hillary, Allen, Giuliani...they all have significantly more policy experience, more talent, and the ability to focus their efforts better than Obama. Hell, for all of Kerry's flaws, nobody could claim that he didn't have the knowledge and the experience needed to be President.
Fair enough, but I've also heard "He can do it!" quite a bit too.
I'm genuinely confused by all the Obama-love that so many people have though.
In practical terms, what has he actually done? Can anyone provide me with any bills that he's sponsored, any policies that he's successfully championed, any wrongs that he's righted? Anything that would indicate he'd be a good president?
if only...CurrentAffairs said:I'd love to see Obama and George Allen square off for the presidency.
Deegan said:These are all folks stuck in the past, we need fresh legs, we don't need to continue to talk about the Vietnam era, and that is certainly what McCain and Kerry bring to the table. I also think a black man as president will bring us a step forward, something that may not serve an international goal, but certainly one we need here. If we are honestly going to go in another direction, and kick the bums out, let's not just use lip service, let's really do it all the way.
I think he brings more then enough skill to the office, perhaps we should wait until he is infected by the disease that is Washington.......I don't think so!:roll:
That's what they said about JFK in 1958.....RightatNYU said:Obama is an empty suit. There's absolutely no way he will win the presidency, much less the nomination. He's great on paper, but has no real shot.
So would every Democrat in the universe! Bring it on! Hell, Allen might not even win his own state in 16 days.CurrentAffairs said:I'd love to see Obama and George Allen square off for the presidency.
Deegan said:These are all folks stuck in the past, we need fresh legs, we don't need to continue to talk about the Vietnam era, and that is certainly what McCain and Kerry bring to the table. I also think a black man as president will bring us a step forward, something that may not serve an international goal, but certainly one we need here. If we are honestly going to go in another direction, and kick the bums out, let's not just use lip service, let's really do it all the way.
I think he brings more then enough skill to the office, perhaps we should wait until he is infected by the disease that is Washington.......I don't think so!:roll:
26 X World Champs said:That's what they said about JFK in 1958.....
If the election were held today, he would. We'll see.26 X World Champs said:Allen might not even win his own state in 16 days.
any why would you say that?26 X World Champs said:So would every Democrat in the universe! Bring it on! Hell, Allen might not even win his own state in 16 days.
I will make a Navy Pride like prediction, stick my neck out, lay out my cards, tell it like I see it, put all of my eggs in one basket by saying:
George Allen will NEVER...repeat NEVER be nominated for any national political office in the United States of America...NEVER EVER...
There! I said! Truth be told it wasn't much of a bold prediction, was it?
In truth you really don't know if that statement is true nor does it matter because the election is NOT today.CurrentAffairs said:If the election were held today, he would. We'll see.
RightatNYU said:Er, there's a couple differences. JFK served 6 years in the House, then another 8 years in the Senate before he ran.
Obama has served 2 years in the Senate.
And even if the comparisons were valid, JFK was a pretty poor president. Not someone to model his hopes and dreams after.
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