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Senate Voted today to extend debt limit to May

Cardinal Fang said:
Nice evidence-based approaches, Ronald.


It was actually worse than under any post-war President.


Really, that's a sort of damning with faint praise.


I wonder why. Probably a mystery to most folks.


There would be another thing that goes well beyond dishonest. The BLS chart goes back to 1948. You simply chose not to include 2001 and 2002. That's of course because the unemployment rate was 4.2% when Bush took office, and it has been never been anywhere near such a level since. We were on emergency extended federal UI benefits by March of 2002 and stayed there through all of 2003. And that wasn't even the biggest mess that Bush made. Not even close.
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Unemployment averaged 5.27% under GWB, and has averaged 9% under BHO.
 
Cardinal Fang said:
Sort of like neocon thought, there is absolutely nothing in libertarian thought, period. As praticed by all these rebranded neocons who now call themselves libbies, it's all a lot of wild-eyed notionism and nothing more.
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I guess I'll just have to pick up the shattered pieces of my life and try to go on.
 
Cardinal Fang said:
Ah, just a neocon gone lone-gunman and loose-cannon type, then. Free to make up stuff at will and use cool words like "agit-prop" while inexplicably putting a hyphen in it.

You know, there was more war during FDR's third term than there was in the second. But let's not mention anything about Pearl Harbor, okay?
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Were you drinking while posting?
 
Cardinal Fang said:
Refresher: Bush inherited the recession from himself. The 2001 recession was simply a crisis of confidence in this drawling, out-of-town bumpkin whose radical economic proposals threatened to upend the entire apple cart that had served so many so well for so long. There is always a period of business caution prior to a Presidential election, especially one where a change in administration is certain. Your can see that emerging as a softness in gross private domestic investment over the second half of 2000, even as the rest of GDP chugged along. Caution began turning to worry however as more about Bush's plans became known, and then became deep concern when the dork was actually elected/appointed and began doing the things he had threatened to do. Game over. Recession dead ahead. It took 9/11 to shock us out of it, but there was never any actual health in the economy during Bush's first term. And we all know how well his undeserved second term turned out. Cowerng and hiding and hoping that the big crash could be forestalled until he had a chance to slink out of town. Almost made it...but the fundamentals of our economy weren't quite strong enough for that. So he had to sit there in the Oval Office and contemplate the depths of the economic collapse that had sealed his fate as one of the very worst Presidents in US history.
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A fine example of fully elaborated Bush Derangement Syndrome.
 
Cardinal Fang said:
LOL! He or she would be responsible for what he or she actually did. The FY 2009 budget deficit for example was already projected to be $1.2 trillion by the day Obama took office. How was he responsible for that exactly?
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Every POTUS is responsible from the moment he/she takes the oath.
 
Cardinal Fang said:
Many know that the sun rises in the east, and nearly as many understand that Bush inheried one of the strongest economies in history and wrecked it, while Obama inherited one of the worst economies in history and has had to try to fix it.

With a bunch of "I hope he fails" right-wing thugs and hoodlums trying to keep him from doing that.
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There is no doubt that GWB's term of office ended badly for our economy. BHO has made things worse.
 
Cardinal Fang said:
First of all, your BLS table shows that growth in the employed between January 2001 and January 2009 was 4.4 million, not ten million. Second of all, you'd have to source your private versus public sector split since it's quite irrational on the surface. Third of all, if you took non-farm payroll numbers as an indicator, expansion in public sector employment would have accounted for 1.75 million of that 4.4 million. Kind of not what you claimed.
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You have unique comprehension skills.
 
sangha said:
civilian employment <> private sector employment
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You have gone on at some length about BHO's private sector job creation. I certainly don't dispute that and I wish him well. The problem is that private sector job destruction must be just as robust, since BHO has not been able to move the needle significantly on unemployment, despite the statistical assist of discouraged job seekers leaving the work force. If he were to reduce private sector job destruction while continuing to push job creation then he might eventually do as well as GWB in keeping unemployment low.
 
Bonzai said:
It's a cruel world out here...............I've already been banned from another site................
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Say it isn't so. I couldn't have imagined that happening to such a cordial poster...
 
AlabamaPaul said:
Say it isn't so. I couldn't have imagined that happening to such a cordial poster...
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My human rights have been violated and that's all you say ?...............
 
Bonzai said:
My human rights have been violated and that's all you say ?...............
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Well, what did you do? Though, I'm not sure this is the place to hold that discussion...
 
AlabamaPaul said:
Well, what did you do? Though, I'm not sure this is the place to hold that discussion...
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Good evening, AP.

Well, I was breathlessly waiting to hear the confession, and you just vetoed it? :(
 
polgara said:
Good evening, AP.

Well, I was breathlessly waiting to hear the confession, and you just vetoed it? :(
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Sorry, it appears the ship is run tightly here, but good evening pg...
 
Jack Hays said:
:confused:

Well, I guess we'll never know now. Good evening, Polgara.
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It was just a minor mockery of one of our (supposed) compatriots from south of the M/D line..................
 
Jack Hays said:
Unemployment averaged 5.27% under GWB, and has averaged 9% under BHO.
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How dumb do you think people are? You're giving credit to Bush for what Clinton did, then blaming Obama for what Bush did. Bush was a total economic disaster no matter how you slice it. No amount of whining and excusification will ever change that fact.
 
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