All the report does is "make it official" that the US government tortured. Like Obama noted a few years back, "we tortured some folks".
It is some measure of vindication for those like me, frequently described by others as "tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorists". That is, it shows that the conspiracies were not imaginary, but very real.
Given Abu Ghraib and human conditions, understanding it was happening was not exactly rocket science, but it is nice that the government would "officially" acknowledge what we were talking about.
Well, if partisan, hackish reports are what you are looking for out of government, then I can understand why you cheer this broken demo party...This wasn't a unified report that was released, it was a one sided pile of steaming dung.
I'm not cheering the demo party, I'm just happy that my friggin' tax dollars were spent wisely, for once.
And, I'm so embarrassed by the Republican Party, which I am technically still registered as, that soon I will go down and change my Party Affiliation at the voting office.
Well good for you...One small step toward honesty Henry...No really...Tell me, what about the 1.1 Trillion dollars, and funding totally of Obamacare, and the illegal Amnesty was "wisely spent"? Are you kidding here?
No, I am a fan of the "line item veto". :lol:
I am able to separate issues, to study and judge them individually.
That is, I have opposed Obamacare since its inception, and I'm hugely disappointed in the "conservative" Roberts Court for having given it birth.
How 'bout you?
Absolutely Henry...But line item won't be used on this crap...You think Obama will line out Obamacare? Really?
No, I am a fan of the "line item veto". :lol:
I am able to separate issues, to study and judge them individually.
That is, I have opposed Obamacare since its inception, and I'm hugely disappointed in the "conservative" Roberts Court for having given it birth.
How 'bout you?
The "183 times" quote was but one inaccuracy...The entire op-ed attempt at journalism is just proof that we don't have an objective press, and people like you buy into the propaganda.
As per the report I posted earlier KSM was waterboarded in 5 sessions. The only reason to break down each one of those sessions and count every single instance that water was poured within that session is to demonize the interrogators, and blow up what really went on in the wake of 9/11. Especially now, this far out from that time, where people forget the emotion of losing 3,000 people, and the fear that everyone felt in the days after.
As someone already pointed out either here, or in another of the rehash threads, we as American's bitched that the CIA didn't catch this attack, then when WE turned them loose to make sure that it never happened again, WE bitch that they went too far...So your making sure that we never get the type of intel that has kept America from another mass attack, and helped in locating, and killing OBL...That's just great....So, the next attack, the blood is on liberal panty waste's hands.
As per the report I posted earlier KSM was waterboarded in 5 sessions.
The only reason to break down each one of those sessions and count every single instance that water was poured within that session is to demonize the interrogators, and blow up what really went on in the wake of 9/11. Especially now, this far out from that time, where people forget the emotion of losing 3,000 people, and the fear that everyone felt in the days after.
As someone already pointed out either here, or in another of the rehash threads, we as American's bitched that the CIA didn't catch this attack, then when WE turned them loose to make sure that it never happened again, WE bitch that they went too far...So your making sure that we never get the type of intel that has kept America from another mass attack, and helped in locating, and killing OBL...That's just great....So, the next attack, the blood is on liberal panty waste's hands.
Former Navy Judge Advocate General Admiral John Hutson says:
Fundamentally, those kinds of techniques are ineffective. If the goal is to gain actionable intelligence, and it is, and if that’s important, and it is, then we have to use the techniques that are most effective. Torture is the technique of choice of the lazy, stupid and pseudo-tough.
As the senior interrogator in Iraq for a task force charged with hunting down Abu Musab Al Zarqawi, the former Al Qaida leader and mass murderer, I listened time and time again to captured foreign fighters cite the torture and abuse at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo as their main reason for coming to Iraq to fight.
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I learned in Iraq that the No. 1 reason foreign fighters flocked there to fight were the abuses carried out at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo.
Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation amid warnings of backlash | Fox News
A Democrat-led Senate panel released a scathing report Tuesday on CIA interrogation practices amid warnings from lawmakers and some within the Obama administration that the findings could "endanger the lives of Americans" all over the world.
Ah, the left. Politics above all.
If only, but it seems mostly we're just spending trillions of dollars, 10's of thousands of American lives to support an infinity war that pretty much just makes breeding grounds for groups like ISIS.
Article17 of The Geneva Convention says it all. The CIA was in violation.
So, does that mean they've been perceived as being successful for the past 14 years?
I have no opinion about cover, having not read the article. But have you listened to Palin, Santorum, Bachmann, Cruz, King, and Paul?
It will require a communal organization of security.
Now it's official that KSM wasn't the only one, and that waterboarding wasn't the only form of sharpened interrogation that took place, so we know now that our government, the one that is supposed to stick up for human rights and stand for freedom and limited government and yadayadayada actually suborned tor.. I mean sharpened interrogation of prisoners.
What we don't know is that said torture actually produced any useful information.
Now that the report is out, the only refuge of the "Oh, our government would never do that" folks is to say that the report was produced by Democrats, and is ipso facto flawed, and/or that the end justified the means and kept us safe.
And that's simply a crock.
It will require a communal organization of security.
Yeah, I can't help but notice that you didn't answer the question? What good actors are going to step in and fill the security void? Is Germany going to do it? Spain? Japan? Does Australia have that kind of projection capacity? India?
It takes a community, huh? That could be a great campaign slogan.
Article17 of The Geneva Convention says it all. The CIA was in violation.
Doesn't the Geneva Convention only apply to uniformed combatants? These terrorists are not covered by the Geneva Convention.
On and off. They plummeted from 06-09, broadly speaking, but recovered and made up lost ground since.
They gained a lot of ground when they were allowed into Iraq after the American invasion.
Even more when we left, and the power vacuum became complete. What are we to conclude from that?
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