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Like I said, that is a legitimate beef, but no one is really making that argument. It might be because the country is already a web of pipelines and roadways and rail lines and wires.By using eminent domain the oil company is requesting that the state interfere on its behalf for force property owners to sell to them.
By using eminent domain the oil company is requesting that the state interfere on its behalf for force property owners to sell to them.
Lol. Actually I am pretty good at labeling liberals for what they are.
Fletch said:If you think liberals give a crap about property rights, you haven't been paying attention. Liberalism cannot exist if the state secures to each that which is rightfully his own. You cant rob Peter to pay Paul without first discarding the idea that Peter has any right to his property.
And I'm pretty good at labeling nonsensical Conservatives for what they are.Lol. Actually I am pretty good at labeling liberals for what they are.
Liberals don't want to destroy the environment like far-right conservatives do.If you think liberals give a crap about property rights, you haven't been paying attention.
More TEA-party moronic nonsense.Liberalism cannot exist if the state secures to each that which is rightfully his own.
But you were quite okay with this last decade when Bush did it .You cant rob Peter to pay Paul without first discarding the idea that Peter has any right to his property.
It might be due to the fact that a company using eminent domain is hardly something media and entertainment industry does stories on.So its not even in most people's radar and if you asked most what eminent domain is they would probably think it was video game.Like I said, that is a legitimate beef, but no one is really making that argument. It might be because the country is already a web of pipelines and roadways and rail lines and wires.
And therefore, in essence, Canada is using eminent domain to take away land from our farmers, ranchers and other landowners.
Wonder why they don't go through their own Rockies or build out to New Brunswick.
There's no way Canadian people would allow that .
Greetings, Helix. :2wave:
It's apparently been forgotten somewhere along the line that "compromise" is a good word, and it should be revived! This "my way or the highway" thinking has not worked to keep people happy - rather the opposite! With compromise everyone wins something, and it can truthfully be shouted from the rooftops - by both sides! What's wrong with that? Business and unions do it all the time, and it works. WTH is wrong with our current elected leaders in DC today? :2mad:
This goes to show how unpatriotic many republicans are since they are okay with a foreign owned company taking land away from Americans.
I would have agreed a few years ago, but the risk to the main source of water for America's farmland and millions of people is not worth it. Especially when Canada has proven that it can move the oil by rail and truck successfully on its own. The same reason I'm against the Pebble Mine in Alaska is the same reason I'm against the pipeline. Farm land and fisheries will provide productive jobs and resources long after the oil and gold are gone. Plus, this pipeline will result in maybe 30 permanent jobs. That is not worth risking the billions of dollars of agriculture and related jobs from contamination of the aquifer.
if they don't build it here, they'll just build it somewhere else.
oil is a finite resource, and will eventually be obsolete. my position is that we should utilize the existing political dynamic to hasten that obsolescence. trading the inevitable outcome for gains in renewable and nuclear technologies seems to be the best path forward.
I'm a long game guy. I'd rather hold onto what we got, and let everyone sell theirs. We'll see how hot Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, UAE, etc are when they've blown through their oil money, they have no other economy, and we're sitting on the biggest oil reserves in the world.
and if we don't prepare for the inevitable, then what?
when i was in grad school, i learned that the best thing to do was to study well in advance of the test, before there was an immediate need. we should be doing the same.
THE KEYSTONE PIPELINE ALREADY EXISTS! They just don't exist as fully proposed. There is already a pipeline coming out of Alberta to Oklahoma. Just this year they finished another section that hooks Oklahoma up with Texas and went into operation this January. The only part that needs completed is the line from Alberta through Montana and North Dakota where there is already a big oil boom. It will allow oil from these states to get their product to the refineries in Texas.And therefore, in essence, Canada is using eminent domain to take away land from our farmers, ranchers and other landowners.
Wonder why they don't go through their own Rockies or build out to New Brunswick.
There's no way Canadian people would allow that .
THE KEYSTONE PIPELINE ALREADY EXISTS! They just don't exist as fully proposed. There is already a pipeline coming out of Alberta to Oklahoma. Just this year they finished another section that hooks Oklahoma up with Texas and went into operation this January. The only part that needs completed is the line from Alberta through Montana and North Dakota where there is already a big oil boom. It will allow oil from these states to get their product to the refineries in Texas.
Keystone XL Pipeline | StateImpact Texas
Apparently only those ones are bad.
That too but Oklahoma is rich with refineries as is Texas.It isn't so much the refineries in Texas, but the Gulf of Mexico that facilitates shipping the refined oil to the rest of the planet.
Oh, no I agree. We should be diversifying our energy sources immediately. But oil can be valuable, even if we weren't using it primarily for energy.
if they don't build it here, they'll just build it somewhere else.
oil is a finite resource, and will eventually be obsolete. my position is that we should utilize the existing political dynamic to hasten that obsolescence. trading the inevitable outcome for gains in renewable and nuclear technologies seems to be the best path forward.
A tree hugger website? No wonder you believe it. :roll:
Preferential tax breaks are still picking winners and losers.
I responded to that already. And I think that would make for an interesting argument that probably has some validity. But that isn't the argument being used to stop the pipeline. The left really couldn't use that argument anyway without looking like total hypocrites. They are advocates of state power, not property rights.
The real comedy is that the GOPs don't recognize that the judge's decision that is still out in Nebraska is over eminent domain.
Brought to the court by local landowners in Nebraska.
This KXL exercise is just an end-run around a court decision that has yet to be made.
And disingenuous or knowledge-challenged GOPs continue to spout that eminent domain is not what is being argued .
....and don't forget the treaty rights of the Sioux Nation. They will not allow this pipeline on their lands.
We'll just bring back the horse cavalry if they don't like it. :lol:
Juanita, you have a source ? Usually a tribe makes money any time an utility easement crosses their sovereign reservation.
Is the pipe line going to be a utility ?
Sure it just isn't the small minority of trouble makers known as the AIM ?
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