Senate just votes to surrender.

[Stinger]

AP - 2 minutes ago WASHINGTON - Defying a veto threat, the Democratic-controlled Senate narrowly signaled support Tuesday for the withdrawal of U.S. combat troops from Iraq by next March.


And then what do we do?

 

[Skip]

And then what do we do?

Welcome home our brave troops.

 

[Iriemon]

Surrender? Does that mean Malaki is going to take charge of the US Govt? The Islamic states of America?

 

[Stinger]

Welcome home our brave troops.

And then??? Hunker down?

 

[Iriemon]

And then??? Hunker down?

Hopefully act like a responsible nation and do things that will begin the long, slow process of rebuilding American's sadly tarnished image and reputation.

 

[Skip]

And then??? Hunker down?

Who says I have to plan beyond the next step if our President doesn't have to?

 

[jfuh]

AP - 2 minutes ago WASHINGTON - Defying a veto threat, the Democratic-controlled Senate narrowly signaled support Tuesday for the withdrawal of U.S. combat troops from Iraq by next March.


And then what do we do?

What did we do after Vietnam? Oh right, get on with our lives.

 

[Stinger]

Who says I have to plan beyond the next step if our President doesn't have to?

It's your step not his, but thanks for admitting there is no next step so we have one choice, hunker down and wait for them to strike.

 

[Stinger]

What did we do after Vietnam? Oh right, get on with our lives.

And when exactly did the NVN engage in terrorist attacks on us or vow to do so? And did the communist take over SE Asia after the Dems made us pull out? Yes, so what do we do after the Islamofacist take over the ME. A little more serious than SE Asia.

 

[1069]

And then what do we do?

Celebrate.

 

[Stinger]

Celebrate.

You really think that's the end of it, the Islamofacist, the terrorist that have vowed to kill you will just go away?

 

[Skip]

You really think that's the end of it, the Islamofacist, the terrorist that have vowed to kill you will just go away?

Well let's see. What makes you think our situation with the "Islamofascists" will change if we leave Iraq? We weren't fighting terrorists with North American strike capabilities in the first place.

 

[Iriemon]

You really think that's the end of it, the Islamofacist, the terrorist that have vowed to kill you will just go away?

They certainly aren't going away because of our occupation of Iraq.

 

[jfuh]

You really think that's the end of it, the Islamofacist, the terrorist that have vowed to kill you will just go away?

Somehow you have proof that if we stay there they will just "go away"? Maybe stop attacking us? Maybe stop killing each other? Maybe if we surge over and over and over again it just might, just might bring an end to the hatred against America and the west? Maybe that if we stay there long enough this ideology we are fighting called terrorism will fade? Who do you think you are kidding sting?

 

[Stinger]

Well let's see. What makes you think our situation with the "Islamofascists" will change if we leave Iraq? We weren't fighting terrorists with North American strike capabilities in the first place.

Why do they want to defeat us there so badly? What on earth makes you think our situation will be better? Do you think they will just stop with their madness and desire to kill us and end our way of life?

 

[Stinger]

Somehow you have proof that if we stay there they will just "go away"?

Where have I said they will just go away as you must think they will do if we surrender.

Maybe stop attacking us?

They have voiced no such intention, why would they suddenly change?

Maybe stop killing each other?

Why when the Islamofacist are winning if we leave?

Maybe if we surge over and over and over again it just might, just might bring an end to the hatred against America and the west?

They don't hate us because we are surging, they hate us because of who we are and how we live and they have vowed to end it. Why do you think they will suddenly stop on the heels of a victory?

Maybe that if we stay there long enough this ideology we are fighting called terrorism will fade?

Maybe if enough citizens of the ME gain their personal liberty and freedoms others will want it too and reject this Islamofacist jihad, as we are starting to see happen in Iraq.

Who do you think you are kidding sting?

When will you begin to see how serious this is and it is not just a political fight here. Are you so oblivious to the consequences?

 

[jfuh]

Where have I said they will just go away as you must think they will do if we surrender.

If not then what good would staying there do?

They have voiced no such intention, why would they suddenly change?

So what good does staying there do?

Why when the Islamofacist are winning if we leave?

They're certainly winning with us there now.

They don't hate us because we are surging, they hate us because of who we are and how we live and they have vowed to end it. Why do you think they will suddenly stop on the heels of a victory?

Did I say they hated us because of our surges? THat's not my argument at all, read more carefully. The question is, if we surge over and over they might stop hating us.

Maybe if enough citizens of the ME gain their personal liberty and freedoms others will want it too and reject this Islamofacist jihad, as we are starting to see happen in Iraq.

Maybe

When will you begin to see how serious this is and it is not just a political fight here. Are you so oblivious to the consequences?

This was a political fight from the first day when Cheney ousted a covert CIA agent in retaliation against her husband so as to discredit him.

 

[Stinger]

If not then what good would staying there do?

Because we can kill them there and run them out so that Iraq can become secure instead of a terrorist haven. One less place for them to organize and operate out of, and the less places they have to go the less chance they can mount any attacks on us here. You on the other hand are willing to hand it over to them and surrender.

So what good does staying there do?

What good does leaving do?

They're certainly winning with us there now.

Far from it, and no help from your side defeating them or encouraging them to stop.

Maybe if we surge over and over and over again it just might, just might bring an end to the hatred against America and the west?

Originally Posted by Stinger
They don't hate us because we are surging, they hate us because of who we are and how we live and they have vowed to end it. Why do you think they will suddenly stop on the heels of a victory?

Did I say they hated us because of our surges? THat's not my argument at all, read more carefully. The question is, if we surge over and over they might stop hating us.

You brought in the surges, so do you think the surges make them hate us? That that is why they want to kill us, if not then why not keep doing it as it kills lots of them and uses up thier resources.

Originally Posted by Stinger
Maybe if enough citizens of the ME gain their personal liberty and freedoms others will want it too and reject this Islamofacist jihad, as we are starting to see happen in Iraq.

Maybe

As opposed to turning over those countries to the Islamofacist. Which seems the better way to go?

This was a political fight from the first day when Cheney ousted a covert CIA agent in retaliation against her husband so as to discredit him.

That particular political fight began when an employee at the CIA and her husband hatched a plot to misinform the American people about Saddam and Niger and he went public with it and the WH, carrying out their duty, exposed his lies. Why shouldn't they have been discredited? Why haven't the Dems condemned Wilson for his propaganda ploy designed to subvert US Foreign Policy?

 

[jfuh]

Because we can kill them there and run them out so that Iraq can become secure instead of a terrorist haven. One less place for them to organize and operate out of, and the less places they have to go the less chance they can mount any attacks on us here. You on the other hand are willing to hand it over to them and surrender.

Been doing that for the last 4 years, seems quite fruitless but only now there're more of them. Thanks to your boy george.

What good does leaving do?

Our troops don't get slaughtered.

Far from it, and no help from your side defeating them or encouraging them to stop.

How does this respond to what was posted?

Originally Posted by Stinger
They don't hate us because we are surging, they hate us because of who we are and how we live and they have vowed to end it. Why do you think they will suddenly stop on the heels of a victory?


You brought in the surges, so do you think the surges make them hate us? That that is why they want to kill us, if not then why not keep doing it as it kills lots of them and uses up thier resources.

Like I said, read more carefully, I've even shown you exactly what I meant and you're spinning again. Will more and more surges make them stop hating us?

Originally Posted by Stinger
Maybe if enough citizens of the ME gain their personal liberty and freedoms others will want it too and reject this Islamofacist jihad, as we are starting to see happen in Iraq.


As opposed to turning over those countries to the Islamofacist. Which seems the better way to go?

You don't seem to comprehend. Let me put it in words you might understand. Maybe means that you're statement is pure speculation with no merit whatsoever.

That particular political fight began when an employee at the CIA and her husband hatched a plot to misinform the American people about Saddam and Niger and he went public with it and the WH, carrying out their duty, exposed his lies. Why shouldn't they have been discredited? Why haven't the Democrats condemned Wilson for his propaganda ploy designed to subvert US Foreign Policy?

:lamo total bullshit. What Wilson said was true, it was your boy george that was the liar.

 

[Stinger]

Been doing that for the last 4 years, seems quite fruitless but only now there're more of them. Thanks to your boy george.

No proof of that and the reports this week is that the former insurgents groups are shifting their positions and turning against the terrorist coming into the country.

Our troops don't get slaughtered.

Well I don't agree with your premise they are being slaughtered, buy why would it be better we fight them somewhere else?

Quote:
They're certainly winning with us there now.

Me>> Far from it, and no help from your side defeating them or encouraging them to stop.

How does this respond to what was posted?

It does quite well if you ask me.

Like I said, read more carefully, I've even shown you exactly what I meant and you're spinning again. Will more and more surges make them stop hating us?

It will kill them and allow those who would side with us be in control. Why would you rather turn it over to those who want to kill us?

You don't seem to comprehend. Let me put it in words you might understand. Maybe means that you're statement is pure speculation with no merit whatsoever.

No more or less than your assertion that they will stop fighting us if we leave, in fact mine actually has more merit because our enemies are clear that if we leave it will bolster them to come after us here.

:lamo total bullshit. What Wilson said was true, it was your boy george that was the liar.

Wilson is a known liar as the Senate commission found out and he later had to admit when it was pointed out that it would have been impossible for him to debunk the so-called Niger documents. The WH told the truth about what we knew or didn't know about Niger and particularly expose Wilson which they not only had a right to do but a duty.

 

[jfuh]

No proof of that and the reports this week is that the former insurgents groups are shifting their positions and turning against the terrorist coming into the country.

Well I don't agree with your premise they are being slaughtered, buy why would it be better we fight them somewhere else?

Me>> Far from it, and no help from your side defeating them or encouraging them to stop.

It does quite well if you ask me.
It will kill them and allow those who would side with us be in control. Why would you rather turn it over to those who want to kill us?

No more or less than your assertion that they will stop fighting us if we leave, in fact mine actually has more merit because our enemies are clear that if we leave it will bolster them to come after us here.

Wilson is a known liar as the Senate commission found out and he later had to admit when it was pointed out that it would have been impossible for him to debunk the so-called Niger documents. The WH told the truth about what we knew or didn't know about Niger and particularly expose Wilson which they not only had a right to do but a duty.

Not a single bit you've mentioned here is without spin, putting words in my mouth, ignoring the premise through editing or just more partisan rhetoric.
Taking the recommendations of the Iraq study group is the only choice. Everything else you have here especially the out right lie of Wilson is nothing but apologetics not even worth my time. Let us know when you stop getting your information from partisan megaphones such as newsmax, weeklystandard or faux news.

 

[Stinger]

Not a single bit you've mentioned here is without spin,

Your lack of rebuttal is noted.

 

[jamesrage]

AP - 2 minutes ago WASHINGTON - Defying a veto threat, the Democratic-controlled Senate narrowly signaled support Tuesday for the withdrawal of U.S. combat troops from Iraq by next March.


And then what do we do?

That is a very accurate threat title.That you for calling it what it is.

 

[Navy Pride]

Welcome home our brave troops.

To bad over 3000 died for absolutely nothing because of people that think like you....I guess we will put another wall up in DC so Liberals can soothe their conciences........Sad.........

 

[Iriemon]

To bad over 3000 died for absolutely nothing because of people that think like you....I guess we will put another wall up in DC so Liberals can soothe their conciences........Sad.........

It wasn't Skip who orchestrated and directed the attack invasion and occupation of Iraq based on a "mistake." If you believe over 3000 died for nothing, you should thank your boyfriend George and his neocon cronies and people who think like you.

........Sad.........