Senate effort to block food labeling of modified food stalls

[sangha]

I literally checked every post you made in this thread.
The evidence you posted has been related to soy, cotton and corn, not all.

Let me know when you can debunk it

 

[NeverTrump]

1. No, they're not clearly labelled


2.Gee, another straw man from you. Will you ever get tired of making up stuff?

1. Uh yea they are. The milk and cheese in my fridge right now clearly says they are organic and have no artificial ingredients.

2. So junk food exists naturally lol?

 

[Harry Guerrilla]

I agree with this. While you can clearly see what is used in food due to food labels from regular foods. GMO free foods can be more vague. I have wondered many times if what they say on their labels is really true, especially when their labels are so simple.

A good example of this is Rio Star or Ruby Red grapefruit.
The genome of the original plant was modified by radiation, but because of technicalities it will not be labeled as a GMO, even though it is genetically modified.
That's not to mention the cereal grains, et all that have been modified in a similar manner.
These types can be certified organic as well.

 

[NeverTrump]

Yes, anything that contradicts you must be propaganda :roll:

That's the sort of "scientific" logic that pervades the pro-GE side

lol you clearly didn't understand what I said. Any website that promotes faulty science and non-gmo is a propaganda site. I have not visited those sites but I have read enough of the pro-non-gmo agenda to realize that it is a huge conspiracy theory that makes no sense.

I know the crowd they cater to and it's all the same dribble

 

[NeverTrump]

A good example of this is Rio Star or Ruby Red grapefruit.
The genome of the original plant was modified by radiation, but because of technicalities it will not be labeled as a GMO, even though it is genetically modified.
That's not to mention the cereal grains, et all that have been modified in a similar manner.
These types can be certified organic as well.

All junk food itself is also gmo. They don't exist in nature. Actually some of the other food whole foods sells like veggie sticks or organic chips can also be considered gmo because we created them. They aren't natural even though they may have natural ingredients. So that's another headache the FDA would have to deal with

 

[Harry Guerrilla]

All junk food itself is also gmo. They don't exist in nature. Actually some of the other food whole foods sells like veggie sticks or organic chips can also be considered gmo because we created them. They aren't natural even though they may have natural ingredients. So that's another headache the FDA would have to deal with

Well I wouldn't go as far as labeling junk food, even if it's made with some artificial substances.
I wouldn't label anything GMO anyway though.

 

[NeverTrump]

Well I wouldn't go as far as labeling junk food, even if it's made with some artificial substances.
I wouldn't label anything GMO anyway though.

But there's the illogicality of their theory. Why wouldn't you label junk food as dangerous if you are going to label regular foods as dangerous?

Junk food is way more dangerous and it doesn't have scary labels. People know otherwise but don't seem to care

 

[Harry Guerrilla]

But there's the illogicality of their theory. Why wouldn't you label junk food as dangerous if you are going to label regular foods as dangerous?

Junk food is way more dangerous and it doesn't have scary labels. People know otherwise but don't seem to care

I think the push for labeling is largely ideological, with some sincerity.

 

[sangha]

1. Uh yea they are. The milk and cheese in my fridge right now clearly says they are organic and have no artificial ingredients.

2. So junk food exists naturally lol?

1) It isn't labelled GMO or non-GMO

2) Another straw man? Quelle surprise!!

 

[sangha]

lol you clearly didn't understand what I said. Any website that promotes faulty science and non-gmo is a propaganda site. I have not visited those sites but I have read enough of the pro-non-gmo agenda to realize that it is a huge conspiracy theory that makes no sense.

I know the crowd they cater to and it's all the same dribble

Only partisan hacks believe that universities are a part of an anti-GMO conspiracy

 

[sangha]

All junk food itself is also gmo. They don't exist in nature.

Potato chips don't exist in nature?

 

[CycloneWanderer]

I had a biology professor who once said something pretty funny on the subject. He said that the people strongly advocating against genetic modification are blind to the fact that everything is genetically modified, be it by natural or human means. Just because it is "natural" doesn't make it less harmful or more beneficial. He sarcastically noted that some people would probably buy and consume nightshade berries if they were labeled as "organic, non-gmo."

 

[sangha]

But there's the illogicality of their theory. Why wouldn't you label junk food as dangerous if you are going to label regular foods as dangerous?

No one is asking to label anything as dangerous in this thread.

This is just another one of your many straw men

 

[Peter King]

Yes. The EU is always looking for new non tariff way of helping their agriculture. Other countries are no different times.

This is not about protecting our agriculture (and like we are the only ones who do that), this is a health issue.

 

[What if...?]

So, you want the government to control the wind?

I don't want your frankencorn ****ing my organic corn and making it frankencorn too.

And there are other factors besides food safety.

The way they get the alien gene in the organism in question involves de-fanged viruses and other things that function kinda like anti-rejection drugs for an organ transplant. These things get into the soil and encourage genetic changes. Can even confer say the insecticide property to soil bacteria, possibly poisoning other components of soil or necessary insects. Experimentally verified.

Genetic engineering is new and potentially extremely dangerous. Somebody could screw up, or ignore a warning in the interest of this quarters profit, and kill us all. By accident. Its NOT just a clever way to make improvements in food. Its playing with the very building blocks of life. And they haven't been doing it for very long. Its still new.

 

[What if...?]

But there's the illogicality of their theory. Why wouldn't you label junk food as dangerous if you are going to label regular foods as dangerous?

Junk food is way more dangerous and it doesn't have scary labels. People know otherwise but don't seem to care

Why are their GMO crops fertile.

Would it be OK for a stranger to come in your house and force you to watch their TV show? Make you eat their chili?

So why is it OK for their genes allowed into the wild?

 

[NeverTrump]

Only partisan hacks believe that universities are a part of an anti-GMO conspiracy

If the first links in Google were directly university sites, I would read them. A pro-non-gmo site linking to a university site is still partisan. I don't give partisan propaganda sites my time. Get me the university link and I'll read it. That's what the other poster did.

 

[NeverTrump]

1) It isn't labelled GMO or non-GMO

You keep complaining about straw men when this is a straw man! LOL. Actually yes, certain brands do say they have no GMOs in them. Organic is pretty comparable to the non-gmo label you want anyway. Why don't you know this? I'm guessing you actually don't read the labels that you want to infringe on everybody else.

 

[NeverTrump]

Why are their GMO crops fertile.

Would it be OK for a stranger to come in your house and force you to watch their TV show? Make you eat their chili?

So why is it OK for their genes allowed into the wild?

GMOs are perfectly safe. If an industry popped up that didn't want them and it has. It's up to them to protect themselves from GMOs. Hence why you have advocacy groups that protect children from the content on late night TV shows. That are deemed not appropriate by the group. Yet you don't see those groups trying to label every thing that has violence or nudity as not suitable for children, although those warnings can be found on some shows.

 

[sangha]

If the first links in Google were directly university sites, I would read them. A pro-non-gmo site linking to a university site is still partisan. I don't give partisan propaganda sites my time. Get me the university link and I'll read it. That's what the other poster did.

You are not being honest.

The 2nd, 3rd and 4th link go to articles on Google Scholar. Two of them were pulled from .edu websites

IOW, they are university links and you did not read them

 

[sangha]

You keep complaining about straw men when this is a straw man! LOL. Actually yes, certain brands do say they have no GMOs in them. Organic is pretty comparable to the non-gmo label you want anyway. Why don't you know this?

Because it's not true

I'm guessing you actually don't read the labels that you want to infringe on everybody else.

Labels "infringe" on everybody else? :screwy

 

[Tettsuo]

if the people chose to have companies label products in a specific way, why not do it?

Oh yeah, they're afraid they'd lose money.

Come on guys, stop with the nonsense. The only reason to reject GMO labeling is because companies are afraid that if people knew, they'd avoid their products. So basically they don't want people to know so they can't avoid consuming things they actually don't want to consume. Period.

Be clear on what you're fight for. If you're against GMO labeling, you're fighting for companies to continue to avoid informing people of things they want to be informed about.

 

[What if...?]

GMOs are perfectly safe. If an industry popped up that didn't want them and it has. It's up to them to protect themselves from GMOs. Hence why you have advocacy groups that protect children from the content on late night TV shows. That are deemed not appropriate by the group. Yet you don't see those groups trying to label every thing that has violence or nudity as not suitable for children, although those warnings can be found on some shows.

For the love of ****. How is you damaging my property by failing to keep your frankencorn on a leash coming out of a conservatives mouth?

Don't your rights end at the end of my nose or something like that?

I take it its OK for me to come **** on your lawn, then. If you can't keep me out.

 

[Thoreau72]

if the people chose to have companies label products in a specific way, why not do it?

Oh yeah, they're afraid they'd lose money.

Come on guys, stop with the nonsense. The only reason to reject GMO labeling is because companies are afraid that if people knew, they'd avoid their products. So basically they don't want people to know so they can't avoid consuming things they actually don't want to consume. Period.

Be clear on what you're fight for. If you're against GMO labeling, you're fighting for companies to continue to avoid informing people of things they want to be informed about.

Tobacco companies fought labels for years, and eventually it became public knowledge that they knew their products were harmful.

I can't help but wonder if the same dynamic is in play here with the GMO labels.

 

[Tettsuo]

Tobacco companies fought labels for years, and eventually it became public knowledge that they knew their products were harmful.

I can't help but wonder if the same dynamic is in play here with the GMO labels.

The overt fear being vomited by these companies against GMO labeling makes me wonder if there's truth behind you viewpoint with the road big tobacco was dragged down.