Senate Dem Asks South Carolina's Top Attorney to 'Call Off the Dogs'

FOXNews.com - Senate Dem Asks South Carolina's Top Attorney to 'Call Off the Dogs'

A Democratic senator from Nebraska who played a crucial role in getting health care legislation passed in the Senate last month has asked South Carolina's top attorney to "call off the dogs" -- a reference to the state official's threat to challenge the constitutionality of the bill.

In a phone call Thursday, Sen. Ben Nelson, D-Neb., urged South Carolina Attorney General Henry McMaster to reconsider, Politico reported. McMaster is the head of a group of 13 GOP state attorneys general who are threatening to file a lawsuit against the Senate health care bill.

Nelson asked McMaster to "call off the dogs," according to a copy of the memo sent by McMaster's chief of staff to other GOP state attorneys general detailing the call and obtained by Politico.

The attorneys general are challenging the constitutionality of a Medicaid provision in the bill that they say benefits Nebraska at the expense of other states.

Hmmm so the heat is now on more reason why if I was one of these Ag to tell Sen Nelson and the rest of the Democratic Leadership to **** Off not only would I be filing the Lawsuit I would be sitting at the United States Supreme Doors at 9AM on Jan 4th 2010 to be the first in line to file the suit.

This is the Politico link,
Ben Nelson to Henry McMaster: 'Call off the dogs' - Alex Isenstadt - POLITICO.com

Reminds me of Animal House.


They can't do that to our pledges! Only WE can do that to our pledges!

Only liberals can use the court system dammit.

Scorpion89 said:

FOXNews.com - Senate Dem Asks South Carolina's Top Attorney to 'Call Off the Dogs'


Hmmm so the heat is now on more reason why if I was one of these Ag to tell Sen Nelson and the rest of the Democratic Leadership to **** Off not only would I be filing the Lawsuit I would be sitting at the United States Supreme Doors at 9AM on Jan 4th 2010 to be the first in line to file the suit.

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Can you file suit against a bill?

Wouldn't the congressional Con. Law team just remove anything that would be easily challenged in federal court during reconciliation?

hazlnut said:

Can you file suit against a bill?

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Yes, you can file suit against a bill.

Wouldn't the congressional Con. Law team just remove anything that would be easily challenged in federal court during reconciliation?

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That would work for me..... toss out that whole unconstitutional piece of crap. :mrgreen:

Crunch said:

Yes, you can file suit against a bill.

That would work for me..... toss out that whole unconstitutional piece of crap. :mrgreen:

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Are you an attorney? What is your background in constitutional law?

hazlnut said:

Are you an attorney?

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No.

What is your background in constitutional law?

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I can read, can you?

Crunch said:

No.

I can read, can you?

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Having the ability to read does not mean you can understand/explain the complexities of constitutional law.

Your answer confirms you were talking out of your ass. Thanks for wasting our time.

hazlnut said:

Having the ability to read does not mean you can understand/explain the complexities of constitutional law.

Your answer confirms you were talking out of your ass.

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Thanx for blowing smoke out of yours... of course all of these AG's don't know as much as you do about what is actionable, right? :roll: Of course, they can read.

There isn't anything in the Constitution that say you can't challenge a bill in court. Has it happen I'm not sure but one thing I would like to point out is you ask why doesn't the Congressinal laywer remove the Nelson part well if that happens then Nelson and a few others have said they will not support the Bill and it would force the Bill to be reopen on the Sen. Floor also if the AG do go to court and it is ruled illegal then the whole Health Care Bill is dead which would be a good thing anyway. Either way the Health Care Bill will never go into Law because the Legal Challenge alone will take up to 50 year before they are all ruled on.

hazlnut said:

Can you file suit against a bill?

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Of course. It's no different than suing to overturn any law you think is unconstitutional.

Wouldn't the congressional Con. Law team just remove anything that would be easily challenged in federal court during reconciliation?

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Why would they? It's a critical part of the bill.

Just take a look at the innumerable lawsuits that have challenged various legislative actions. The conference committee could have changed all of those, but they chose not to.

Supreme Court affirmed New Deal programs and Medicare/Medicaid suggest efforts to get health care reform declared unconstitutional are going to fail.

Morality Games said:

Supreme Court affirmed New Deal programs and Medicare/Medicaid suggest efforts to get health care reform declared unconstitutional are going to fail.

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You care to place a rather large sum on money on that, you seem to forget that the House version has the public option in it and that will challenge by allot of folks on the 1st Adm violation to start with then there are State's who are going to challenge any Health Care Bill as violating the 10th Adm.

Also i would like to point out if the AGs do go to court right now to have the Nelson Adm. challenge and it is ruled illegal then the whole Bill has to be put to the Floor again to be voted on this could take up till after the mid term elections either way there will be no Health Care Bill passed into Law in mine or anyone else Life time in the United State's unless the Democrats are willing to throw out the US Constitution and Bill of Rights.

I don't believe one must be a Constitutional Scholar to understand that it is clearly unfair under the Constitution for one State to receive a benefit that is set aside only for one State at the expense of the other States, expressly when that benefit, as in this case was for the sole reason to effect and buy a vote.

The Constitution is being challenged more in the last year than at any other time in history, and Obama Been Lying knows that many of his plans and or plots to usurp it can clearly be challenged. His hope is is that he and his disciples can sneak one plan after another past the American people and into law without notice or challenge.

The worst part of all of this is that the entire plan of the Leftist is not to do what is good for the Nation or WE THE PEOPLE but to put another feather in the cap of their side. It's about being able to claim we won not we did what was right.

It is so sad that it started out being about change but the changes they were promising were changes for the better and they have morphed into massive changes to the very Structure and concepts our Nation was built on.

I know that a lot has been said about what a great man Obama is and how smart he is and in one respect he lives up to these claims.

He is the second person in history to use his talent as a great liar to promote this: "If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed."

He uses this very successfully because Liberals are for the most part unable to come up with a cogent intelligent response to facts or logic. They fail to to look at history and base their decisions on the propaganda they are told by those in whom they base their trust.

From the start Obama has made claims that doctors are the enemy and Health insurance providers are in cahoots with them. Yet he creates a situation where insurance companies will at first benefit from his plan when in the end all he wants is in the end to do away with them all together in favor of a SINGLE PAYER PLAN run by big brother.

Any means to achieving that end are justified at this point.

Anything that can be done to stop Obama at any point in this plan should be explored and used to the fullest.

I know that some Liberals think they are are doing the right thing and believe they have only the little guy in mind but they have been hoodwinked into belief that they are in favor of solutions.

The problem is they are in favor of solutions to problems that do not exist.

Do doctors remove feet and legs for profit? Hell no that was a lie flat out. Is Socialized Medicine a better system than we have. Hell no! Every example Obama has used was a lie, flat out and provable in minutes.

The real problems we face are not now or ever usually being addressed by either the Liberals or by the Republicans and all this B.S. has been about control not solutions.

Cap and Trade has just been proved by real science to be as big a fraud as the health care crisis, and yet it is being pushed for what reason? I tell you until you all stop and think for yourselves and give up this them and us mentality and look to real solutions to real problems and forget about the B.S. we are headed for disaster on a scale you can't imagine.

Anything that can slow the rush into the ABYSS is in our favor of a system that history has shown leads to failure.

Don't stop being a Democrat or Republican, Libertarian, Moderate, Centrist, or any other affiliation you want to align yourself with. Just stop listening to and believing what any of them claim and start thinking for yourself. Do the research and for Christ sake learn from history, and don't fall for the propaganda from anyone.

If you want change make it a change that doesn't take from those who do and gives to those who don't.

It would be nice to be able to sit by and be given everything we need by people who work hard and try to do better and get ahead, but that only works up to the point where dong nothing is the norm, at that point every system collapses. Read and learn history it will show you that our current direction is not what you want.

My understanding, is that you can file a lawsuit against just about anything.

Also, I find myself stunned that you would assign such intelligence to this particular Congress.

I think if the gov is gonna force people to have health insurance? That the people in this country should ban together and sue the gov because it should not be legal and a violation of rights.

Also a healthcare plan is suppose to help people but if this passes there will still be poor people that cannot afford to pay for it. The people just under the limit for getting it free are the ones that are going to be hurt.

hazlnut said:

Are you an attorney? What is your background in constitutional law?

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Crunch may be a hyperpartisan, but he does seem to know his Constitution. Of course, any law passed by Congress can be thrown out. All it takes is an action that makes it to the Supreme Court, and then it's up to them.

danarhea said:

Crunch may be a hyperpartisan, but he does seem to know his Constitution. Of course, any law passed by Congress can be thrown out. All it takes is an action that makes it to the Supreme Court, and then it's up to them.

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you don't think...the supreme would actually...do something good, do you?

Scorpion89 said:

A Democratic senator from Nebraska who played a crucial role in getting health care legislation passed in the Senate last month has asked South Carolina's top attorney to "call off the dogs" -- a reference to the state official's threat to challenge the constitutionality of the bill.

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Actually, given that it is South Carolina, perhaps he should have said "call off the Cocks."


























That is a reference to the USC Gamecocks for those who don't know about SEC College Football...

hazlnut said:

Can you file suit against a bill?

Wouldn't the congressional Con. Law team just remove anything that would be easily challenged in federal court during reconciliation?

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But it is the compromise that got the sixtieth vote that is the subject of the challenge, but I don't think it can be filed until the legislation is passed and signed by POTUS.

RightinNYC said:

Of course. It's no different than suing to overturn any law you think is unconstitutional.

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Except that it is not a law until it is signed. It hasn't even been reconciled yet, much yet reached President Obama's desk, so no, it is quite different (at this point in the game, at least)

Oftencold said:

My understanding, is that you can file a lawsuit against just about anything.

Also, I find myself stunned that you would assign such intelligence to this particular Congress.

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You are correct in your assumption that a law suit can be filed for nearly any reason. However but to assume that when dealing with this Congress you are dealing with intelligence on any level you might be mistaken.

The opposition to the Obama Been Lying Socialist/Communist controlled Congress has come from a position of defense which is what the Liberals want.

They set in motion a situation where what they are doing takes a back seat to their intentions. Those of us who have the ability to think for ourselves need to be on the offensive and present ideas that that show that there are better ways to achieve the objectives needed and to address and solve the problems rather than constantly reacting to outrageous lies and falsehoods from the Left.

A very old axiom says the best defense is a good offense and Conservatives have forgotten that.

The Obamedia gone out of their way to make it look like the Republicans have nothing to say other than they oppose change, and the Republicans have played into the lies by not being forceful with better plans that make sense and address the issues.

Its time to stop reacting and stand acting in a positive forceful manner that makes sense and to hell with opposition.

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Except that it is not a law until it is signed. It hasn't even been reconciled yet, much yet reached President Obama's desk, so no, it is quite different (at this point in the game, at least)

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I was under the impression that the threat was to file a lawsuit challenging the law should it be enacted in its current form, so I don't think there would be any problems with ripeness.

RightinNYC said:

I was under the impression that the threat was to file a lawsuit challenging the law should it be enacted in its current form, so I don't think there would be any problems with ripeness.

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But I don't believe (if there is an attorney here, please correct me if I am wrong) that there is no standing for a suit to go forward unless there is a law to challenge. This is only a bill at this point. What is the basis for the challenge? There is no law. If we filed suit against every proposal we thought was a violation of the consitution, the judiciary would be even more jammed packed than it already is.

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But I don't believe (if there is an attorney here, please correct me if I am wrong) that there is no standing for a suit to go forward unless there is a law to challenge. This is only a bill at this point. What is the basis for the challenge? There is no law. If we filed suit against every proposal we thought was a violation of the consitution, the judiciary would be even more jammed packed than it already is.

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My apologies, I meant to say that they are currently threatening that if the bill is passed in its current form, they will then file a lawsuit.

danarhea said:

Crunch may be a hyperpartisan, but he does seem to know his Constitution.

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Me, hyper partisan?.... Me?

No, I'm just totally against the socialization of the country I grew up in, and the destruction of the last hope of freedom for the rest of the world.

Of course, any law passed by Congress can be thrown out. All it takes is an action that makes it to the Supreme Court, and then it's up to them.

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This bill/law can be challenged on 4 or 5 different levels.... it could be tied up in court for the next 5 decades if Congress is stupid enough to pass it.... or they could do the smart thing and vote it unconstitutional themselves, and start over.