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Senate committee passes health bill, first to act

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WASHINGTON - The Senate health committee cast a milestone vote Wednesday to approve legislation expanding insurance coverage to nearly all Americans, becoming the first congressional panel to act on President Barack Obama's top domestic priority.

Senate committee passes health bill - Capitol Hill- msnbc.com

There is no use in spending this tremendous amount of money without looking at cost cutting first.
 

But don'tchyouknow they are going to save so much money on this program that it will pay for itself!!!??? :rofl

Yes, this is stunning, but the level of ignorance that dominates American political policy these days is rife with it.

I have never been as pessimistic as I am now about our immediate future and I sincerely hope that the ignorant masses come to their senses in 2010 and get these complete morons OUT of power before the drag this country into 3rd world status.
 

Can you actually write out a honest dissent using facts, evidence, credible sources?

In regards to dragging this country into the 3rd world...you do realise that a lot of 3rd world nations have a better health care system than we have currently. The World Health Organization ranks us 37th - summary here
 
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Yes, this is stunning, but the level of ignorance that dominates American political policy these days is rife with it.
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It's not ignorance. They know exactly what they're doing.
 

I'm sorry but the FACTS speak for themselves; over a trillion in deficit spending with much more to come and the result will be, although this is speculation on my part, to even further decline in employment and economic activity.

If Government does indeed pass healthcare legislation, you will see a vast decline in the level on competence of service and LONG waiting times for even the most mundane affliction; which is evidenced by all those other nations whose citizens have longer wait times and pay HUGE tax rates.

What part of Government spending money it doesn't have without an HONEST debate on how to pay for it do you NOT get?

As for the WHO, I am sorry, but the United Nations has ZERO credibility with me and many others who have seen their failures too often to lend it any credence.

If you add in level of care, technology and wait times, the US system super-exceeds anything in other nations.

But I did enjoy Michael Moore's movie where EVERYTHING was FREE, have to laugh just typing this, and how GOOD Cubans have it, this one borders on hysterics.

Carry on. :2wave:
 

So Vets are finally going to be treated for Gulf War Syndrome?
 
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They can't get treatment now?
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They can't even get the government to admit the syndrome exists, because then the government would be liable to treat them, which would be costly.

Between battlefield chemical hazards and experimental anthrax inoculations, the symptoms pile up. Civilian doctors can't get the medical histories because they have been classified.
 
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Jerry said:
They can't even get the government to admit the syndrome exists.
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What is keeping the current Government from admitting the syndrome exists?

My belief is that this issue is consistent with why we do not want Government managed healthcare; the Government is not acknowledging this syndrome because of what it will cost to treat.

But hey, if the Democrats get their legislation passed, expect many more similar stories of care being denied due to the costs.
 
apdst said:
Some Gulf War vets don't even qualify for VA bennies, much less get treatment for sand box shock.
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Then expect more of the same if Democrats get their legislation passed and we are ALL subjected to the same care our Vets get.
 

LOLOL!!!! I love when an ignoramus cites the WHO report.

You don't even know what's in the damn thing nor how they came up with those rankings and here you are repeating it because you heard some pro-Socialist kook reference it.

Very simple question for you. Do you honestly think that people from all over the world come to this country to receive the 37th best health care in the world? Don't strain your brain too hard on that one.
 
sam_w said:
In regards to dragging this country into the 3rd world...you do realise that a lot of 3rd world nations have a better health care system than we have currently. The World Health Organization ranks us 37th - summary here
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You do realize it is a biased report.



 Lets be honest here.
There are vets who are treated for the symptoms they have, regardless if the syndrome exists or not.
Just because the syndrome hasn't been accepted doesn't mean the VA does not treat, or try to treat those eligible, for the symptoms they have.


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And just for some humor.

 
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Then ignore the WHO....

France best, US worst in preventable death ranking

18,000 deaths blamed on lack of insurance
2002, USA Today report on Institute of Medicine of the National Academies

I guess you can also ignore the OECD's 2009 report on our costs? We pay 16% with 75 million under and uninsured, where next in line is France at 11% with full coverage. So we pay more, receive less, have more deaths, wow, that is one hell of a system you want to crop up.
 
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http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/04/business/04view.html?_r=2&ref=business&oref=slogin
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I remember reading awhile back that some of the discrepancies (if I remember correctly, in mortality rates) can be accounted for because of our diverse racial make-up.


 There are many factors to consider when making an evaluation, most of these reports do not bother to consider them, and because they do not, end up with biased results.
 
Coolguy said:
There are many factors to consider when making an evaluation, most of these reports do not bother to consider them, and because they do not, end up with biased results.
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So, is your rebuttal to all studies comparing health care around the world is that it's just too complicated?

While I agree that sometimes you can get into comparing the proverbial apples to oranges and of course you can spin just about any statistic to make it fit into whatever you want it to fit.

However, if you take all the apples and oranges (and pears and bananas and kiwis and Apricots), toss out the high and the low, disregard Cuba and Mexico, how do you justify the United States spending way more in not only total dollars, but in percentages of just about any measure you can imagine, than every other industrialized country in the world and still not cover everyone and only have comparable health care.


In 2008, the United States will spend 17 percent of its gross domestic product (GDP) on health care.

Health care spending accounted for 10.9 percent of the GDP in Switzerland, 10.7 percent in Germany, 9.7 percent in Canada and 9.5 percent in France while covering ALL of their population.


 
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So, is your rebuttal to all studies comparing health care around the world is that it's just too complicated?
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Please, don't put words into my mouth.
It is pretty clear what I said.


Justify?

The 'Health Care' in the U.S., is at the top of (if not the best), treatment in the world and is only slightly comparable with other industrialized nations, being that our treatment is better.
Nor should we lower our standards of care to cover everyone.

As for actual costs.
Yes they could be lowered by implementing what the CATO Institute suggested in 1994.
 

And that is a misnomer and lie propagated by the right. Thanks for continuing the lies.
 


If we have the best health care system in the world, why isn't the rest of the world ditching their systems and trying to emulate us?
 


I am confused by this OP and link. Which committee passed a health bill? The link is about Obama, I didn't see anything about a bill passing a committee vote.
 
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But don'tchyouknow they are going to save so much money on this program that it will pay for itself!!!??? :rofl
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It was never asserted that the program would pay for itself. It will be paid for through taxes on those making over $250k/yr and cost savings. Just as Obama campaigned on, and just as he was elected to do.
 
Republicans are anti-capitalists. They're afraid that the government run program will run the private insurance companies out of business. Or didn't you know that the public program was COMPETING with the private ones?
 


People with Medicare insurance are more satisfied with their coverage than people with employer-based insurance. What is the argument for denying what people like better, costs less, and offers easier and better access to physicians (as reported by the insureds).



 
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