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The filibuster has little bearing on the executive. The Veep being the tie-breaking vote is a fairly rare thing.
I also have only flimsy doubts (the libertarian constitutionalists would object, but they are still a small minority in the GOP). Still, Democrats are going into history books as the party that just have demolished yet another (if a fairly minor) limitation to the power of the Executive.
The filibuster has little bearing on the executive. The Veep being the tie-breaking vote is a fairly rare thing.
Really? So Dole, McCain and Romney were all "hard right"?The problem is the hard right and the hard left pick the candidates they want those of us in the middle to choose from.
Ahm, we are talking about filibustering nominations by the Executive, remember?
I also have only flimsy doubts (the libertarian constitutionalists would object, but they are still a small minority in the GOP). Still, Democrats are going into history books as the party that just have demolished yet another (if a fairly minor) limitation to the power of the Executive.
Really? So Dole, McCain and Romney were all "hard right"?
They were only somewhat to the right of the leftists on the other side.
Yeah right - libertarians view progressives as Nazi's..... Progressives are nothing more than Fascist freaks to us... You live to destroy the Bill of Rights.....
RINO's are just as bad but they're a dying breed...
Real republicans are getting their party back from the fat cat tyrannical RINO's who pay just as much attention to the Constitution and Bill of Rights as progressives do...
That simple...
Conservatives are rapist?...... Please elaborate on that...
Funny how 95% of criminals in prison are democrats/progressives - many of those rapist sicko's use progressive "open sexuality" logic to justify their rape and molestation crimes.
I also have only flimsy doubts (the libertarian constitutionalists would object, but they are still a small minority in the GOP). Still, Democrats are going into history books as the party that just have demolished yet another (if a fairly minor) limitation to the power of the Executive.
:agree: If taking a series of baby steps towards a goal hides ultimate intent under the radar, it's usually done that way. Few become alarmed, because "it really doesn't amount to much," and it's only when the public becomes aware that things just aren't the way they used to be, and they've lost another freedom, that the clamor begins. Of course, at that point, it's too late to change or undo what has been done...or so we're told. Sad..
Greetings, Cyrylek. :2wave:
Failed Left-Wing Policies Sinking Obama's PresidencyObama looked fazed at this press conference Thursday. He believed in the fantasy that the government could completely reorder the health system and the public would thank them for doing so. He believed that the plan would work. Just as he believed public works projects and a bailout of state governments would lift the economy.
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Obama has done one great service to America. He has shown, in an almost neon light display, the terrible consequences of liberal policy and the limits of government. For 5 years, Obama has run almost the entire liberal playbook. The public can now see how much of that book is a fantasy.
Now why is it that it's the Democrats that are always degrading the people's liberty and increasing the power of the government?
Could it be the great liberal fallacy of liberal omnipotence and infallibility WRT other people’s decisions for themselves.
Failed Left-Wing Policies Sinking Obama's Presidency
Why did he threaten it?If memory serves right, Trent Lott (R-Miss), in 2002 or so. Supporting my point.
See the chart and tell me that Democrats abused the filibuster the same as the republicons.
Again it is a republicon thing to filibuster EVERY nomination.
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McConnell brought this on himself.
He is a stubborn and stupid man.
Great point....Thank you. Then, the Democrats do have the Constitutional authority to do exactly what they are doing now. The Republicans should take note for the future. The section noted gives to each house the power to determine the rules of its proceedings.
Indeed, "liberals" (as we call social democrats in America, in our bizarre fashion) are ideologically predisposed to the "fatal conceit", as Hayek called it. But it is hard not to notice that massive expansions of government power happened just as happily when "conservatives" were in charge. After all, the only Senator who voted against the Patriot Act in 2001 was a liberal - Russ Feingold. And out of the 66 who said Nay in the House, only 3 were Republicans: Ron Paul, Butch Otter (now Governor of Idaho), and Bob Ney of Ohio.
Conservatives are not the same as Republicans. I cannot recall a time in my lifetime when Conservatives have been in charge of the House with the exception of N. Gingrich) or the Senate. We have had a few establishment Republicans in charge from time to time. Establishment Republicans are statists just like the Democrats. They will increase government's reach and power as long as they get to run it.Indeed, "liberals" (as we call social democrats in America, in our bizarre fashion) are ideologically predisposed to the "fatal conceit", as Hayek called it. But it is hard not to notice that massive expansions of government power happened just as happily when "conservatives" were in charge. After all, the only Senator who voted against the Patriot Act in 2001 was a liberal - Russ Feingold. And out of the 66 who said Nay in the House, only 3 were Republicans: Ron Paul, Butch Otter (now Governor of Idaho), and Bob Ney of Ohio.
...And why was the "nuclear option" not used at that time??Because Democrats, majority in Senate, were holding up President's nominees, of course.
Conservatives are not the same as Republicans. I cannot recall a time in my lifetime when Conservatives have been in charge of the House with the exception of N. Gingrich) or the Senate. We have had a few establishment Republicans in charge from time to time. Establishment Republicans are statists just like the Democrats. They will increase government's reach and power as long as they get to run it.
This is a systemic problem that can only be solved by winning the Article V fight in the State Legislatures.
...And why was the "nuclear option" not used at that time??
At the time, the Democrats were obstructing a number of Bush's judicial appointments. The Republicans threatened to eliminate the filibuster. After some back and forth, a bipartisan group of 14 Senators made a deal to allow a bunch of up-or-down votes, and reserve filibusters for "extraordinary circumstances."...And why was the "nuclear option" not used at that time?
It was a bipartisan group that pushed against eliminating filibusters in 2005. Look up the "Gang of 14."Because the GOP Senators, after venting their frustrations, realized that one day Dems will be in majority....
Constitutional conservatism is not for the faint hearted. If one cares little for the people's right to be free or if one defines freedom in terms of what the state will give them, the constitutional conservatism will seem to be too little.Ah, the "conservatism cannot fail, it can only BE failed" argument.
It was a bipartisan group that pushed against eliminating filibusters in 2005. Look up the "Gang of 14."
Again, you can keep throwing out this lie but it doesn't make it true. The increase in "filibuster" cloture votes (there have been no actual filibusters during Obama's presidency) is ONLY because of Harry Reid's insane habit of calling for a cloture vote on everything. This isn't up for debate, Reid called 90% of his cloture votes when the votes would not have resulted in a filibuster. He called cloture votes at nearly 3 times the average with an actually serious threat of filibuster happening at a lower rate than any prior senate.
Let's talk numbers for the ignorant left. Let's compare the current Senate (113th) which is the worst year for Obama nominees with a 81% cloture success to the 108th Senate under Republican.
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