ocean515
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You keep closing the case only to come back again and again.
The entire fraud would not have been possible without Than McCotter. He turned in nominating petitions and singed the statement that he was responsible for their contents. He ran an arganization and utterly failed to properly perform his job regarding his staff and the content of those petitions. In my opinion, and in the opinion of Republican Attorney General Bill Schuette - that makes him the man responsible. It may not make him criminally liable - but that is a different matter altogether as the attorney general stated. If you want to paddle up the river denial because it somehow makes you feel better - its fine with me.
Actually the majority of tea partiers barely pay any attention to Glen Beck. I am a big tea party supporter. And while I think Beck has a great radio voice...I think he's a bit of a conspiracy nut. I am more of a Rush Limbaugh fan.
The only one paddling is you, but I understand it makes you feel better.
Yeah, there's racism. And there was racism during the Jim Crow era, too, when most black households were led by two parents who were married to each other and before the Civil Rights Act and Johnson's Great Society and War on Poverty programs. I mean, which is the bigger problem for blacks today? Racism or the fact that more than two-thirds of black babies are born out of wedlock?
Census Bureau Links Poverty With Out-of-Wedlock Births - US News
When the Republican Attorney General of Michigan - who knows this case a million times better than you ever will - agrees with me - it pretty much says you got nothing.
I have dealt with racism from both groups. The racism I've dealt with from White right-leaning people tends to be more overt, or "in your face", as you put it. The racism I've dealt with from White left-leaning people tends to be based more in the assumptions that underlie their descriptions of themselves and other racial groups. They may be more inclusive and more respectful of the rights and identities other people, but I've still seen many of them mock and denigrate non-white cultures and language.
I got you. I have the same experience.Oh don't get me wrong, I know that there is racism on the left as well. One would be stupid to not believe so. I grew up in Los Angeles and now live in Dallas. There is a total contrast on how different backgrounds groove with each other. I felt more comfortable being black around the white in Los Angeles than I did around the whites in Dallas.
So the AG says McCotter personally took part in the fraud, as you wrote? I'm sorry, perhaps I missed that.
Yes you did. Go back and read the accounts again.
First, we alredy screen for voter fraud. I have been screened every singletime I have voted over the last 44 years. We already do that.
Second, the question is NOT and HAS NEVER BEEN if there is a case of voter fraud in the hundreds of millions votes cast in this nation every election cycle. So please flush that canard where it belongs.
The question is clear and simple: is the level of voter election fraud enough to warrant a change via voter ID balanced against the risks of the voter ID Program and the announced intention of partisans to use it for their own nefarious political manipulations?
That is the question.
So get rid of your nonsense as it has no place in this discussion.
The funny thing about this is you want to argue that the system you go through is somehow better than a photo ID because you have state officials comparing signatures at the polling place.
Disenfranchising those who can't write!! :roll:
And what are the qualifications of the signature screener? Are they a handwriting expert? Do you think they are more qualified to compared signatures of faces?
I also find it funny that your insistence that the system you have voted in for 44 years is perfectly fine due to the "due diligence" of a state officials involved while simultaneously screaming about perceived voting fraud perpetrated by... state officials.
Well, no, that is your twisted account of the purpose of voter ID laws
So being asleep at the wheel, and signing documents from an out of control staff without realizing they contained fraudulently obtained signatures, is no different than if he went out on his own and did everything himself.
Interesting take on reality.
It is part of his job to make sure none of those things happen. He is responsible for that.
that is reality.
Yes it is part of his job. He is guilty of trusting the actions of his staff, and it would seem he paid the price. You can turn that into being the same as if he did everything on his own without any help, but that's not reality.
The system works. YOu may not like it because you want a new system to manipulate like Mike Turzai wants to manipulate to the gain of your own party - but it works just the same. Like they used to say in the old MArvel comics ... "nuff said".
If you are concerned about that issue, I suggest you look up the provisions that states make for such cases now in place so people are not disenfranchised.
You should look at the training given to these people for your answer.
The officials at the polls and at the local clerks office WERE NOT the ones who failed to catch the McCotter fraud. So you are comparing apples to cinder blocks.
I stated this
The question is clear and simple: is the level of voter election fraud enough to warrant a change via voter ID balanced against the risks of the voter ID Program and the announced intention of partisans to use it for their own nefarious political manipulations?
No - that comes from Mike Turzai - powerful Republican leader in Pennsylvania.
It makes him responsible.
It makes him responsible.
You say the system works but advocate not actually policing it.
His staff is responsible, he is accountable for their actions. I think the truth has been exposed here, so time to move on. :2wave:
A distinction without any real difference. No - he is responsible. It rests upon him.
When the republican Attorney General of Michigan agrees with me, you got nothing.
Step one - before you eliminate it you have to identify it and prove it. Turzai went past that step.
Without that valuable step - all he and other have is suspicions and in some cases - paranoia. Neither are proof of anything.
Your post fails right out of the gate since it is based on a false premise. The polls are policed. Rules are in effect. Procedures are in place to protect both the system and the voter.
I know exactly what a351 posted.
I'm proving that a351's comment is debatable.
Lynching by State
Black lynchings happened in other states, as well.
Perfectly? If the real voter had decided not to vote this election, how would the fraudulent vote have been detected?I made no excuse. I simply pointed out what the story reported - the system worked perfectly just the way it was designed to prevent fraud. I thought that was what you want to happen?
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