Sell Towed Trucks To Pay Down Costs Of Policing Convoy Protest, Ottawa Mayor Suggests

[Chomsky]

Comparing apples and oranges. In the first case it can be anything from supporting the efforts of the protestors, to simply being generous.

In the case of "handing out water" to people standing in line waiting to vote, the problem is attempting to influence a voter via using the gift to open a dialogue and proselytize. That is a major no-no as far as I am concerned.

That's quite a reach there, my friend; You don't think it has anything to do with the long urban voting lines in Dem cities, under the hot Texas sun?

 

[Jason Warfield]

My point is all truckers should stop trucking. Let Trudeau figure out how to get the products delivered.

Interesting that you are suggesting a solution normally used by unions...which you believe to be socialist.

In essence, you are calling for the truckers to strike...or, as you put it, "... all truckers should stop trucking."

How very "socialist" of you!

 

[Jason Warfield]

When people have nothing left to lose is when they become the most dangerous. The left is asking for a fight but im not sure they are prepared for the stakes they are setting.

The destroy at all costs attitude is going to esculate the war to a level everyone will regret.

Found your avatar and your statement to be at odds with each other....Orwell's "Animal Farm" was a tale of a brand of socialism that Orwell supported being supplanted by a communistic dictator (basically a metaphor of socialism versus communism/Stalin). I am assuming you are right-leaning as you list the left as if you were not a part of the left...hence why I found the use of your avatar a bit, odd.

Oh, and before anyone quotes "Why I Write" in full at me...be sure to read it carefully and understand Orwell's relationship with socialism before trying to use it against my point here. "Why I Write" is not really what you may think it is....

 

[Captain Adverse]

That's quite a reach there, my friend; You don't think it has anything to do with the long urban voting lines in Dem cities, under the hot Texas sun?

No.

Having been a participant in voting for many decades in diverse locales in State's all around the nation (including NYC NY, L.A. CA, and even Texas), and typically doing it "in-person," I have encountered many individuals or "teams" of such handing out water and/or snacks. Invariably these gifts came with an effort to either poll me on issues, and/or proselytize on an issue or candidate.

As a result, I have taken to bringing my own refreshments if I expect to stand in line for any length of time. I've still had to insist on being left alone on occasion.

 

[uptower]

I respectfully disagree with the mayor. That's overkill. It was a protest and people have the right to do that to a point. When it's time for the police to make them cut it out, fine, the party is over. But they don't have to lose their trucks.

 

[EnigmaO01]

I respectfully disagree with the mayor. That's overkill. It was a protest and people have the right to do that to a point. When it's time for the police to make them cut it out, fine, the party is over. But they don't have to lose their trucks.

But it went beyond protest. The truckers blocked international commerce and were a major nuisance in Ottawa to local residents.

 

[wist43]

I missed seeing that you had already posted this and just did as well. It's obvious this is just a family owned business, which makes me wonder if the various Tim Hortons that remained open are needing "inspections" too? I'm guessing not.

Sadly, our reality is wholly Orwellian...

The left is happy of course - they finally get to start overtly harming others, again.

Democrats, socialists, nazis, progressives, communists, fascists, etc... they're the same from generation to generation, from society to society, from century to century.

They represent the worst of humanity.

Nothing new under the sun.

 

[Slartibartfast]

I think doing something like that would be going overboard. Society bares the cost of policing for a reason.

 

[eohrnberger]

Just remember, in a well-known large Republican state, you can hand out water to demonstrator, but not to a fellow citizen standing in line to exercise his right to vote; think about that.

That's already been debunked, for one, and for the other the limitations on handing out things to voters in line at the polling station has good reason.

You aren't against campaigns handing out things to voters in line to vote, within the polling location's campaigning distance restriction?

Also Debunked in the sense that poll workers will have water to provide voters.

The lamestream 'news' media's reporting on this issue was, once again, contorted to serve their preferred political narrative.

 

[eohrnberger]

We're into the final phases of collapse followed by the imposition of authoritarian rule. The vast majority of people are clueless about what is happening and why.

The left has always supported using government force against the citizenry, and most people in the middle are "go along to get along" types.

The people on the right will object, and there will be some violent protests, but the Establishment has been setting this stage for decades.

They have every intention of systematically killing millions of citizens who won't bend their knee.

It is history 101.

Enabled by a Social Credit System and big data, apparently.

A Social Credit System Arrives in Canada​

Justin Trudeau just created a caste of economic untouchables. Can we stop this dystopian policy from taking hold in America?​

David Sacks, Substack February 20, 2022​

A Social Credit System Arrives in Canada

Justin Trudeau just created a caste of economic untouchables. Can we stop this dystopian policy from taking hold in America?

bariweiss.substack.com

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Last summer, I warned readers of Common Sense that financial deplatforming would be the next wave of online censorship. Big Tech companies like PayPal were already working with left-wing groups like the ADL and SPLC to define lists of individuals and groups who should be denied service. As more and more similarly minded tech companies followed suit (as happened with social media censorship), these deplorables would be deplatformed, debanked, and eventually denied access to the modern economy altogether, as punishment for their unacceptable views.​

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That prediction has become reality.​

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What I could not have anticipated is that it would occur first in our mild-mannered neighbor to the north, with the Canadian government itself directing the reprisals. It remains to be seen whether Canada will be a bellwether for the U.S. But anyone who cares about the future of America as a place where citizens are free to protest their government needs to understand what has just occurred and work to stop it from taking root here.​

This is not a development welcomed by anyone who values the freedoms and liberties of the individual. So in other words, expect the left to fully endorse the Social Credit System, as it furthers their ambitions of total political control, up until they are caught on the wrong side of it.

 

[eohrnberger]

Remember though, Nixon started the War on Drugs, and the Reagans finished it.

Then G.W. ushered in the Patriot Act.

The two biggest travesties against the American People in modern history, and they incurred during Republican Administrations. If it sounds like I'm partisan, you better believe I am! I bitterly regret my vote for Reagan!

I do believe that both those were with Bi-Partisan support, so to lay it at the feet of Republican Administrations is slanted.

 

[Liberal7360]

IMO those State's controlled by Republican governments, as well as those states with truly liberal Democrat leadership will simply allow the truckers to protest.

But those who are controlled by activist Governors might be less "tolerant," and IMO Washington DC won't tolerate much at all.

We'll probably see attempts to demonize the effort as much as possible too.

Of course, only time will tell both how much support the US Truckers have, and how things go on the route.

American truckers were going to block the Super Bowl.

So how did that work out?

 

[Liberal7360]

This isn't punishment, CaughtInThe. Punishment comes after being convicted of a crime.

The state seizing property of someone who has not been convicted of a crime and selling it off is a violation of one's civil rights in a free society.

It happens here in America all the time.

The drug forfeiture law the conservatives passed in the 80s has been seizing property before anyone has been convicted has been going on for decades.

I've never heard any conservative whine about it.

So it's legal to do it here to anyone who has been busted for drugs.

It's legal to do it in Canada too.

 

[Liberal7360]

We're into the final phases of collapse followed by the imposition of authoritarian rule. The vast majority of people are clueless about what is happening and why.

The left has always supported using government force against the citizenry, and most people in the middle are "go along to get along" types.

The people on the right will object, and there will be some violent protests, but the Establishment has been setting this stage for decades.

They have every intention of systematically killing millions of citizens who won't bend their knee.

It is history 101.

Weird. It was the conservatives who initiated the drug forfeiture laws here in the US.

It was the liberals who were against it.

 

[Callen]

Weird. It was the conservatives who initiated the drug forfeiture laws here in the US.

As we have seen with everything from Trump, Jan 6th and the trucker occupation conservatives are all for law and order until it doesn't fit their political agenda. They rationalize, accept and even defend criminal behaviour when it suits.

 

[Captain Adverse]

American truckers were going to block the Super Bowl.

So how did that work out?

I guess they chose not to.

However, they did "blockade" (refuse to enter) Colorado over a driver getting a 110 year sentence.

MSN

That (allegedly) led to the Governor reducing that sentence to 10 years.

MSN

So, the fact they did not protest the Super Bowl does not mean they won't do DC or anywhere else.

Time will tell.

 

[gbg3]

I thought only 10% of the truckers were not vaccinated. Is Canada your country of origin? If so, your country has an 83% vaccination rate. The truckers are mostly against mandates for their families and themselves despite the majority having already been vaccinated. When the hell is Canada going to get back to normal? You're not going to get 100% vaccination rate. In fact, it's unnecessary as Cananda is no longer in a pandemic phase. It's the extreme conditions the government has placed upon them and their families that they are protesting. And they have every right to their legal protests.

Very apparently now, they don't. Not in Canada.

 

[gbg3]

When people have nothing left to lose is when they become the most dangerous. The left is asking for a fight but im not sure they are prepared for the stakes they are setting.

The destroy at all costs attitude is going to esculate the war to a level everyone will regret.

That's my thought too. These protestors have been remarkably peaceful but with these extreme actions happening to them and their families, how will that change? I expect, potentially, that change could be substantial.

 

[gbg3]

The left has a track record of idiotic non-logical public policies. These coupled with political power and single minded pursuit there of, is a bad combination, for the common man. Great for all the political elites, and their donor base which buy them.

As observed by another poster, destroying someone and their livelihood access to their own earning is likely to start a fight that the left hasn't imagined, can't imagine, and are likely to get.

I agree. Seldom do I feel the level of emotion (about world events and politics) I feel about this Canadian situation and the direction it has now taken. I think it's disgusting what Canada has turned into. I think it's become a horrible country and is looking a lot like some of the world's very worst examples of treatment of citizens by authoritarian governments.
We'll see how Canadian citizens who believe in freedom react. As shocked as I've been seeing what has and is happening by those in authority - a calm outcome to this would now shock me just as much. I think authority has left citizens with quite limited options and no good ones.

 

[wist43]

I missed seeing that you had already posted this and just did as well. It's obvious this is just a family owned business, which makes me wonder if the various Tim Hortons that remained open are needing "inspections" too? I'm guessing not.

Sadly, our reality is wholly Orwellian...

The left is happy of course - they finally get to start overtly harming others, again.

Democrats, socialists, nazis, progressives, communists, fascists, etc... they're the same from generation to generation, from society to society, from century to century.

They represent the worst of humanity.

Nothing new under the sun

 

[Felis Leo]

It happens here in America all the time.

The drug forfeiture law the conservatives passed in the 80s has been seizing property before anyone has been convicted has been going on for decades.

I've never heard any conservative whine about it.

So it's legal to do it here to anyone who has been busted for drugs.

It's legal to do it in Canada too.

You are hearing me “whine” about it, Liberal7360. I am not bound by the policies of people who passed unjust overreaching laws years before I was born (and some of whom are long-since dead). My argument is that liquidating the property of one not yet convicted of a crime ought not be legal because it violates due process, and such laws should be abolished at the state and federal levels. I base this on the conservative principle of necessarily limiting the powers of government over the affairs of individuals, most especially in the area of criminal prosecution. But by what “liberal” principle are you arguing for civil asset forfeiture?

 

[Liberal7360]

I guess they chose not to.

However, they did "blockade" (refuse to enter) Colorado over a driver getting a 110 year sentence.

MSN

That (allegedly) led to the Governor reducing that sentence to 10 years.

MSN

So, the fact they did not protest the Super Bowl does not mean they won't do DC or anywhere else.

Time will tell.

You are correct.

Time will tell.

 

[LouC]

The mayor of Ottawa wants to find out of he can sell some of the trucks that were towed to pay for some of the costs that the truckers are forcing on the taxpayers of Ottawa.

I don't blame the mayor. Estimates are that it's costing a million dollars a day.

Sell towed trucks to pay down costs of policing convoy protest, Ottawa mayor suggests

Ottawa Mayor Jim Watson is suggesting that some of the trucks and other vehicles seized by police during a two-day operation to clear out the 'Freedom Convoy' protest and occupation could be used to pay for some of the policing costs.

ottawa.ctvnews.ca

 

[LouC]

The mayor of Ottawa wants to find out of he can sell some of the trucks that were towed to pay for some of the costs that the truckers are forcing on the taxpayers of Ottawa.

I don't blame the mayor. Estimates are that it's costing a million dollars a day.

Sell towed trucks to pay down costs of policing convoy protest, Ottawa mayor suggests

Ottawa Mayor Jim Watson is suggesting that some of the trucks and other vehicles seized by police during a two-day operation to clear out the 'Freedom Convoy' protest and occupation could be used to pay for some of the policing costs.

ottawa.ctvnews.ca

Great idea in my opinion!

 

[Liberal7360]

You are hearing me “whine” about it, Liberal7360. I am not bound by the policies of people who passed unjust overreaching laws years before I was born (and some of whom are long-since dead). My argument is that liquidating the property of one not yet convicted of a crime ought not be legal because it violates due process, and such laws should be abolished at the state and federal levels. I base this on the conservative principle of necessarily limiting the powers of government over the affairs of individuals, most especially in the area of criminal prosecution. But by what “liberal” principle are you arguing for civil asset forfeiture?

I agree with you.

I'm not arguing for forfeiture laws. I've been against it since the conservatives initiated it in the 80s.

I said I understand why the mayor wants to do this. I never said I wanted it done and done without due process.

I did point out that it's been happening here for decades thanks to conservatives and with the exception of you now that I've pointed it out, I haven't seen or heard anyone whine about it.

In fact, forfeiture of assets was a conservative idea signed into law by a conservative president and has been defended by conservatives all these decades.

Yet now, that it's conservatives who may face what conservatives have enacted into law here for drugs and have defended for decades, conservatives don't like forfeiture laws and are all upset with liberals for possibly using them.

Can you see the irony and hypocrisy I've been trying to point out?