No, that just means the political media is making it out to be far more an issue than it really is.
Do you know just how many Americans died last flu season from the flu with healthcare?
Do you know just how many Africans died of Ebola without healthcare this epidemic?
Hint: One is bigger than the other and it's the opposite of what raging partisans think it is.
Right and Obama said it was highly unlikely that ebola would come here, too.
Whatever Liberals say, you can bet the opposite is reality. Hell, it turns out there were WMD in Iraq, afterall...lol!
Then what do you propose?
There is no way he can stay.....he admitted that the CDC should have sent a response Team to Dallas after they found out Duncan had become infected. He was Right....what he didn't explain. Is why they didn't? You need to read what the Dallas Nurses reported. Which Freiden knew but wasn't saying anything.
Then he came back with that.....now he was thinking of sending any infected to one of the 4 Hospitals that can deal with this from arrival.
What about the Former head of the CDC? I seen that CNN was propping up Sanjay Gupta again.
This is what happens when left wing ideologues are put into positions of power-both in the white house and the CDC.
And this is how a right wing partisan hack jumps on the lets blame the left for everything wagon.
Sure their were. Whatever you say. I 'll take your word for it.
Why is the CDC concerned about the other folks on the Frontier flight.........it can't be transmitted as an airborn illness.....right?
If the U.S. starts witnessing person-to-person transmission beyond the Dallas health care workers and those with whom they had contact, then he will almost certainly be replaced at some point.
I'm not sure about the exact reasons such a team wasn't sent. However, I suspect that it is part of a larger problem that has plagued the U.S. government in recent years: a lack of strategy for such circumstances on account of a lack of contingency planning. While this problem doesn't garner the headlines the seemingly endless Republican-Democratic clashes receive, it is a significant problem that has hobbled U.S. domestic, foreign, and military policy, leaving the U.S. behind the curve of events and having to scramble to catch up. IMO, President Obama (and if he doesn't, his successor) should create a crisis working group containing such people as the Secretary of State, National Security Adviser, Secretary of Defense, etc. That group would be charged with identifying the major risks the U.S. could confront within the next 10 years. Afterward, each of the major departments would be charged with developing a strategy for such events and scenarios that could arise.
Even if one might not have expected Ebola to move into the U.S., the threat of a possible viral outbreak (be it from natural or manmade origins e.g., a biological weapons attack) has been in the mix of widely discussed possibilities. Logical "what if" questions would concern the type of pathogen: anthrax (used in the past), small pox (rumored), bio-engineered influenza, etc., tropical diseases (often brought up in the climate change debate), each of which would require a response.
The same holds true for foreign policy. With respect to Syria, the risks associated with a decaying authoritarian regime were not novel. One has witnessed the consequences of such decay in post-Tito Yugoslavia, post-Assad Iraq, Lebanon, etc. Syria is, as U.S. Ambassador to Syria Richard Murphy put it in 1976, "a patchwork quilt of small groups." Moreover, these groups have had major differences. At the same time, there were also radical Islamist elements devoted to toppling any kind of secular order present. Syria was a proverbial powder keg. Yet, when the protest movement was shoved aside by armed elements, the U.S. naively assumed that the democratic protest movement (almost certainly a minority among the overall population) had transitioned into armed democratic uprising. Notable former U.S. statesmen ranging from Brent Scowcroft to Henry Kissinger urged extreme caution in making such a diagnosis. As Kissinger later noted in his World Order, among those who took up arms, "few elements...could be described as democratic, much less moderate." Yet, U.S. policy was based on the false assumption of a democratic and moderate uprising. Rather than merely condemning the Assad dictatorship for its brutality, the U.S. boxed itself into a strategic lockbox by calling for regime change. Now it has less strategic flexibility than might otherwise have been the case, even as the deepening power vacuum was filled by the increasingly extreme elements such as ISIS.
There are differences between the nurses union's account and what the hospital has said. The matter needs to be examined.
Given his public role on CNN, I suspect the position of Surgeon General might be a better fit for him. I'm not sure that Dr. Gupta has the management experience to run a large entity like CDC. The CEO or COO of a leading hospital or medical research institution would probably be better prepared to run the CDC.
So you will continue to dismiss it as "nothing to see here" until it becomes something to see, then I suspect you'll be nowhere in those threads to answer for your statements.
You apparently didn't see the NYT yesterday about the chemical weapons found in Iraq in 2003/2004, the servicemen who were exposed to mustard gas, and how the locations of the stockpiles are now in ISIS hands.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...t/us-casualties-of-iraq-chemical-weapons.html
From Post 101.....They even allowed these Nurses to go and treat others. Knowing Protocols were not in place.
Deborah Burger of National Nurses United, who convened a conference call with reporters to relay what she said were concerns of nurses at the hospital, said they were forced to use medical tape to secure openings in their flimsy garments and worried that their necks and heads were exposed as they cared for Duncan. RoseAnn DeMoro, executive director of Nurses United, said the statement came from "several" and "a few" nurses, but she refused repeated inquiries to state how many. She said the organization had vetted the claims, and that the nurses cited were in a position to know what had occurred at the hospital. She did not specify whether they were among the nurses caring for Duncan.
The nurses allege that his lab samples were allowed to travel through the hospital's pneumatic tubes, possibly risking contaminating of the specimen-delivery system. They also said that hazardous waste was allowed to pile up to the ceiling. The nurses' statement said they had to "interact with Mr. Duncan with whatever protective equipment was available," even as he produced "a lot of contagious fluids." Duncan's medical records underscore that concern. They also say nurses treating Duncan were also caring for other patients in the hospital and that, in the face of constantly shifting guidelines, they were allowed to follow whichever ones they chose. When Ebola was suspected but unconfirmed, a doctor wrote that use of disposable shoe covers should also be considered. At that point, by all protocols, shoe covers should have been mandatory to prevent anyone from tracking contagious body fluids around the hospital.....snip~
Greetings, MMC. :2wave:
I think Freiden may be getting a bit of a bad rap here. He reports to Obama, who appointed him to the job he holds. When Obama is saying one thing, is it unusual that his underlings carry the same message? To do otherwise could be calling your boss a liar, and no employee with any sense does that, especially if your boss is the POTUS! It's called being a team player.
I don't understand why Obama has taken the stand on Ebola that he has, knowing that people are dying in West Africa from Ebola, but Frieden is a doctor, and Obama is not - Frieden should be making the decisions on Ebola, not Obama!. As more and more mistakes come to light on how this is being handled, stories out of DC are changing, and that makes people uneasy. If Friedman is inept, replace him, but don't blame him if his hands are tied because of politics! Just saying.....
The fact is that this nurse called the CDC before she boarded the flight, and someone told her she wss clear to fly.Notice I also stated that if the news story is accurate, the CDC also has work to do (beyond what has been a suboptimal PR approach to date). IMO, the best approach is to let the facts come out and drive decision making.
Moreover, the early issues that have arisen highlight that the U.S. has at least a degree of vulnerability to significant health system shocks, whether they arise from epidemics/pandemics or even biological weapons. The early handling of the Ebola situation has demonstrated gaps in preparedness, training, and equipment.
We can suspend travel from west Africa to here and further we can suspend travel domestically for those who hsve treated known cases of Ebola here until those individuals are cleared.All travel in and out of Texas should be suspended: if Africa won't do it WE can.
This is from 49 minutes ago. This woman has worsened and has now been sent to Atlanta. Oh and look they are asking people who were on the plane to call Dallas. This is not good. They best have had some cameras at the airport.
Second Dallas nurse with Ebola was on Frontier Airlines Flight 1143.....
Vinson’s condition has worsened and she will be flown to a biocontainment unit at Emory University Hospital in Atlanta, federal officials said during a Wednesday news conference. CDC director Dr. Tom Frieden said Vinson, who was in Ohio to plan her wedding, was not experiencing symptoms at the time of her flight, but “should not have traveled” on her return flight to Texas after learning in Ohio that she was a potential infection risk.
The CDC asks that all 132 passengers on Monday’s Frontier Airlines flight 1143 from Cleveland to Dallas-Fort Worth call 1-800-CDC-INFO. The flight landed at 8:16 p.m. CT Monday. Going forward, Frieden said, no one else involved in Duncan's care will be allowed to travel “other than in a controlled environment.” The White House conceded on Wednesday that there have been “shortcomings” in the response to the Dallas Ebola crisis. "It's not clear what protocols were in place and how those protocols were implemented," White House spokesman Josh Earnest said during a news conference......snip~
Second Dallas nurse with Ebola was on Frontier Airlines Flight 1143
There is no way he can stay.....he admitted that the CDC should have sent a response Team to Dallas after they found out Duncan had become infected. He was Right....what he didn't explain. Is why they didn't? You need to read what the Dallas Nurses reported. Which Freiden knew but wasn't saying anything.
Then he came back with that.....now he was thinking of sending any infected to one of the 4 Hospitals that can deal with this from arrival.
What about the Former head of the CDC? I seen that CNN was propping up Sanjay Gupta again.
And this is how a right wing partisan hack jumps on the lets blame the left for everything wagon.
This thing is spreading easier than what they claim. And all this crap about how much better our quarantine protocols are than Africa's and higher standard of care is nonsense on those levels. The reason being that once something like this really hits the wild, it spreads faster and faster over running the system. Hospitals don't have the extra capacity to handle thousands of people with a virulent virus epidemic. They wouldn't have enough hazmat suits or facility of care, with much of the staff's getting sick.
They need to stop the arrogant nonchalant attitude and telling people stupid stats about how more people die from different ways, and get this under control now with maximum effort. I've been saying this from the beginning, because I know what this will do to the social climate and disruption of everyday life and economic system if it gets out of control.
The fact is that this nurse called the CDC before she boarded the flight, and someone told her she wss clear to fly.
Does that sound prudent to you?
And could in the end cost someone their life. Why wouldn't we do all we can to prevent that, including measures like restricting travel?No. Of course, I also don't think she should even have considered traveling with even a mild fever. Whomever cleared her to travel made a bad decision. Her choosing to travel while having become symptomatic was also a bad judgment on her part.
I disagree Lady P.....he is the Head of the CDC. He should have been on top of things from the get go. Starting with sending a Team to Dallas ASAP. Issuning no travel protocols to those working with anyone infected until they cleared.
Ebola isn't the only case of a left wing administration failing to protect the American people from disease. Enterovirus D68 has killed dozens of American children and Obama remains silent about why this is happening now. Many experts feel that D68 is a result of the border children who surged across the border this year, and in fact the virus is heavily found in Honduras and Guatamala.
D68 has killed American children and left others permanently paralyzed... it's clear that the left will do nothing to EVER protect the American people, including small children, from the threat of foreign illnesses.
There do seem to be conflicts in determining what should have been done that wasn't - protocol-wise - and I do question why. However, the nurses that are speaking out have said there weren't any protocol guidelines issued. If that is true, it's a serious accusation. Then we read that there is a shortage of the correct safety apparel to be worn by nurses when dealing with a killer like Ebola, and that is also serious. Then we read that someone at the CDC okayed Vinson to fly to Cleveland even though she had a temperature, and that's serious. All of these things point back to Friedman at the CDC.
My question is why these occurred. Was the CDC simply following Obama's lead in not treating this as seriously as it should have been? Obama himself just yesterday cancelled a fundraising trip, and we know how he enjoys those, so why did he cancel? Prior to this, we were being told that everything was under control, but now it appears that it isn't! It was serious enough that we sent military healthcare personnel to West Africa a few weeks ago - what changed the thinking? Something is not right here when the WHO, whose job it is to track epidemics, has repeatedly warned about a possible worldwide outbreak of Ebola if it isn't quarantined at the source! Why were those warnings not heeded by those in DC that have the responsibility to keep us as safe as possible? :shock:
I'm not worried. There is one death, and there may be as many as several more before it's over....... Which pales in comparison to......
Heart Disease 616,067
Cancer 562,875
Stroke 135,952
Chronic lower respiratory disease 127,924
Accidents (Unintentional Injuries) 123,706
Alzheimer’s Disease 74,632
Diabetes 71,382
Influenza and Pneumonia 52,717
Nephritis, Nephrotic Syndrome, Nephrosis 46,448
Septicemia 34,828
Suicide 34,598
Chronic Liver Disease 29,165
Hypertension 23,965
Parkinson’s Disease 20,058
Assault (Homicide) 18,361
All Other Causes 451,034
Total Annual U.S. Deaths 2,423,712
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