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Scientists Reverse Belief in Man-made Global Warming

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Climate Momentum Shifting: Prominent Scientists Reverse Belief in Man-made Global Warming - Now Skeptics

The list below is just the tip of the iceberg. A more detailed and comprehensive sampling of scientists who have only recently spoken out against climate hysteria will be forthcoming in a soon to be released U.S. Senate report.

Astrophysicist Dr. Nir Shaviv, one of Israel's top young award winning scientists, recanted his belief that manmade emissions were driving climate change. ""Like many others, I was personally sure that CO2 is the bad culprit in the story of global warming. But after carefully digging into the evidence, I realized that things are far more complicated than the story sold to us by many climate scientists or the stories regurgitated by the media. In fact, there is much more than meets the eye,”

Geophysicist Dr. Claude Allegre, a top geophysicist and French Socialist who has authored more than 100 scientific articles and written 11 books and received numerous scientific awards including the Goldschmidt Medal from the Geochemical Society of the United States, converted from climate alarmist to skeptic in 2006. Allegre, who was one of the first scientists to sound global warming fears 20 years ago, now says the cause of climate change is "unknown" and accused the “prophets of doom of global warming” of being motivated by money, noting that "the ecology of helpless protesting has become a very lucrative business for some people!"

Mathematician & engineer Dr. David Evans, who did carbon accounting for the Australian Government, recently detailed his conversion to a skeptic. “I devoted six years to carbon accounting, building models for the Australian government to estimate carbon emissions from land use change and forestry. When I started that job in 1999 the evidence that carbon emissions caused global warming seemed pretty conclusive, but since then new evidence has weakened the case that carbon emissions are the main cause. I am now skeptical,”

Geologist Bruno Wiskel of the University of Alberta recently reversed his view of man-made climate change and instead became a global warming skeptic.


.: U.S. Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works :: Minority Page :.



Climate fears reduced to ‘children’s games’

.: U.S. Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works :: Minority Page :.



Before the start of the nearly two hour debate the audience polled 57.3% to 29.9% in favor of believing that Global Warming was a “crisis”, but following the debate the numbers completely flipped to 46.2% to 42.2% in favor of the skeptical point of view. The audience also found humor at the expense of former Vice President Gore’s reportedly excessive home energy use

.: U.S. Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works :: Minority Page :.
 

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It doesn't sound like they are in contention about whether there is warming, only that they don't know whether C02 is the primary cause of it.

I also don't think that proclaiming that the evidence is "inconclusive" could be considered a reversal.
 
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It doesn't sound like they are in contention about whether there is warming, only that they don't know whether C02 is the primary cause of it.

I also don't think that proclaiming that the evidence is "inconclusive" could be considered a reversal.
A reversal from CO2 believer to skeptic of CO2 as the main cause, or only cause. The Earth is warming, not many would disagree with that...
 

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Shaviv has been a prominent skeptic for many years, I'm not sure how you could claim he's shifted anything. Shaviv's work involves cosmic rays seeding clouds as the earth passes through the spiral arms of the galaxy.

http://www.juniata.edu/projects/oceans/GL111/celestialdriverofclimate.pdf

...on a multimillion year timescale.

Veizer has been as well (and even co-wrote Shaviv's paper...)

Then there's a botanist and an economist on the list... ok then.

So.. thanks for the link?
 

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Shaviv has been a prominent skeptic for many years, I'm not sure how you could claim he's shifted anything. Shaviv's work involves cosmic rays seeding clouds as the earth passes through the spiral arms of the galaxy.

http://www.juniata.edu/projects/oceans/GL111/celestialdriverofclimate.pdf

...on a multimillion year timescale.

Veizer has been as well (and even co-wrote Shaviv's paper...)

Then there's a botanist and an economist on the list... ok then.

So.. thanks for the link?
I can say that he shifted since he was an alarmist and he "shifted" his position to that of a skeptic... that's how. And you are welcome for the link. I have found that you are very consistent in your debate style. Basically makes attempts to be reasonable a futile effort. But... consistent. :)
 

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I can say that he shifted since he was an alarmist and he "shifted" his position to that of a skeptic... that's how. And you are welcome for the link. I have found that you are very consistent in your debate style. Basically makes attempts to be reasonable a futile effort. But... consistent. :)
I meant in a "shifting momentum" sense. I don't see how someone in 2010 could make the claim that "momentum is shifting!" by pointing out a bunch of guys who have been skeptics for a decade or more. But hey, you can jump to whichever conclusions you like, since that's so much easier for you!
 

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Climate Momentum Shifting: Prominent Scientists Reverse Belief in Man-made Global Warming - Now Skeptics

The list below is just the tip of the iceberg. A more detailed and comprehensive sampling of scientists who have only recently spoken out against climate hysteria will be forthcoming in a soon to be released U.S. Senate report.

Astrophysicist Dr. Nir Shaviv, one of Israel's top young award winning scientists, recanted his belief that manmade emissions were driving climate change. ""Like many others, I was personally sure that CO2 is the bad culprit in the story of global warming. But after carefully digging into the evidence, I realized that things are far more complicated than the story sold to us by many climate scientists or the stories regurgitated by the media. In fact, there is much more than meets the eye,”

Geophysicist Dr. Claude Allegre, a top geophysicist and French Socialist who has authored more than 100 scientific articles and written 11 books and received numerous scientific awards including the Goldschmidt Medal from the Geochemical Society of the United States, converted from climate alarmist to skeptic in 2006. Allegre, who was one of the first scientists to sound global warming fears 20 years ago, now says the cause of climate change is "unknown" and accused the “prophets of doom of global warming” of being motivated by money, noting that "the ecology of helpless protesting has become a very lucrative business for some people!"

Mathematician & engineer Dr. David Evans, who did carbon accounting for the Australian Government, recently detailed his conversion to a skeptic. “I devoted six years to carbon accounting, building models for the Australian government to estimate carbon emissions from land use change and forestry. When I started that job in 1999 the evidence that carbon emissions caused global warming seemed pretty conclusive, but since then new evidence has weakened the case that carbon emissions are the main cause. I am now skeptical,”

Geologist Bruno Wiskel of the University of Alberta recently reversed his view of man-made climate change and instead became a global warming skeptic.


.: U.S. Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works :: Minority Page :.



Climate fears reduced to ‘children’s games’

.: U.S. Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works :: Minority Page :.



Before the start of the nearly two hour debate the audience polled 57.3% to 29.9% in favor of believing that Global Warming was a “crisis”, but following the debate the numbers completely flipped to 46.2% to 42.2% in favor of the skeptical point of view. The audience also found humor at the expense of former Vice President Gore’s reportedly excessive home energy use

.: U.S. Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works :: Minority Page :.
May I suggest you Google your sources in future?

This is what Wiki has to say about Allegre

Claude Allègre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I mean he is even wrong about Gravity!!

Logical Science | Claude Allegre

here he is stuffing things up again.
 

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I have found that you are very consistent in your debate style. Basically makes attempts to be reasonable a futile effort. But... consistent. :)
I have to say that even though Deuce gets heated and doesn't hide his annoyance toward skeptics, I find his debate style very solid and the way he presents information very convincing. He has given plenty of evidence to debunk the claims of others, and even the way he analyzed the OP in this thread was informative to me because it showed another angle that I wouldn't have otherwise known about.

Just saying.
 

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I meant in a "shifting momentum" sense. I don't see how someone in 2010 could make the claim that "momentum is shifting!" by pointing out a bunch of guys who have been skeptics for a decade or more. But hey, you can jump to whichever conclusions you like, since that's so much easier for you!
What is easiest for me is to have a clear and concise conversation. When you say that "he's shifted" it sounds like you mean his position. You asked a question in which I apparently took in the incorrect context. There is no jumping to conclusions at all. You can clarify, and you have. That is how conversations work. The exclaimation point kinda indicates an emotional and thereby fallicious counter point.
 

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....holy crap he really was wrong about freaking gravity.
In 1999, the Canard enchaîné, and subsequently several other media, published Allègre's claim, initially stated during a radio interview, that, if one drops a pétanque ball and a tennis ball at the same time from a tower, they will reach the ground at the same time. Allègre claimed that there was a popular misconception to the contrary, and that schoolchildren should be made to understand that two objects always fall at the same speed. The Canard responded that this was true only in a vacuum, and not in all cases as Allègre had said. The latter responded in turn, maintaining his initial statement. Georges Charpak, Nobel prize for Physics, intervened to explain that Allègre was wrong; the latter maintained his statement yet again.[9] [10]

Claude Allègre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Perhaps it is as stupid as this sounds, but there is no context here. Therefore we don't know exactly what he was wrong about. This is one of the times that I would be a little suspect about the truth, just based off of the wording used in this part of the wikipedia article.
 

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I have to say that even though Deuce gets heated and doesn't hide his annoyance toward skeptics, I find his debate style very solid and the way he presents information very convincing. He has given plenty of evidence to debunk the claims of others, and even the way he analyzed the OP in this thread was informative to me because it showed another angle that I wouldn't have otherwise known about.

Just saying.
I was thinking the same thing today... I am certainly not beating Deuce in this debate.
 

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In 1999, the Canard enchaîné, and subsequently several other media, published Allègre's claim, initially stated during a radio interview, that, if one drops a pétanque ball and a tennis ball at the same time from a tower, they will reach the ground at the same time. Allègre claimed that there was a popular misconception to the contrary, and that schoolchildren should be made to understand that two objects always fall at the same speed. The Canard responded that this was true only in a vacuum, and not in all cases as Allègre had said. The latter responded in turn, maintaining his initial statement. Georges Charpak, Nobel prize for Physics, intervened to explain that Allègre was wrong; the latter maintained his statement yet again.[9] [10]

Claude Allègre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Perhaps it is as stupid as this sounds, but there is no context here. Therefore we don't know exactly what he was wrong about. This is one of the times that I would be a little suspect about the truth, just based off of the wording used in this part of the wikipedia article.
As I said if I were you I would learn to Google up these people and not rely on what the sceptic sites say. It is amazing what gets googled up - I gather he is less than popular among his fellow French scientists. Me, well anyone who sings the praises of asbestos has never had a relative die of mesothelioma
 

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As I said if I were you I would learn to Google up these people and not rely on what the sceptic sites say. It is amazing what gets googled up - I gather he is less than popular among his fellow French scientists. Me, well anyone who sings the praises of asbestos has never had a relative die of mesothelioma
I'm always in awe of people using pointless emotionalism to score points in debates. Asbestos as a fire protection substance, heat shield, is very very very good. Properly maintained and used it has uses.


As for the OP: Bod, you are challenging the Holy algore and his House of Warming. Do not expect many of the Faithful to listen to your heresy. Man, must atone for his sins against Mother Gaia, and any blasphemes about Scientist not preaching the Word shall not be tolerated.
 

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I'm always in awe of people using pointless emotionalism to score points in debates. Asbestos as a fire protection substance, heat shield, is very very very good. Properly maintained and used it has uses.
He dismisses its well established harmful effects. He's a crank.

As for the OP: Bod, you are challenging the Holy algore and his House of Warming. Do not expect many of the Faithful to listen to your heresy. Man, must atone for his sins against Mother Gaia, and any blasphemes about Scientist not preaching the Word shall not be tolerated.
Now when it comes to criticising consistently poor content, is there any instance where someone doesn't blather on about anthropogenic GW as a religion on these threads?
 

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What is easiest for me is to have a clear and concise conversation. When you say that "he's shifted" it sounds like you mean his position. You asked a question in which I apparently took in the incorrect context. There is no jumping to conclusions at all. You can clarify, and you have. That is how conversations work. The exclaimation point kinda indicates an emotional and thereby fallicious counter point.
My wording was bad, sorry about that.

I'm always in awe of people using pointless emotionalism to score points in debates. Asbestos as a fire protection substance, heat shield, is very very very good. Properly maintained and used it has uses.
Asbestos is all of those things. It is also extremely hazardous to your health when inhaled. The man in question says otherwise, hence the discussion.

As for the OP: Bod, you are challenging the Holy algore and his House of Warming. Do not expect many of the Faithful to listen to your heresy. Man, must atone for his sins against Mother Gaia, and any blasphemes about Scientist not preaching the Word shall not be tolerated.
I can't even count how many times I've had to stress that Al Gore is not a scientist and he doesn't do research on anything. But hey, keep attacking that straw man, MrV!
 

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Perhaps it is as stupid as this sounds, but there is no context here. Therefore we don't know exactly what he was wrong about. This is one of the times that I would be a little suspect about the truth, just based off of the wording used in this part of the wikipedia article.
Are you serious? We know precisely. Two words. Air resistance.
 

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He dismisses its well established harmful effects. He's a crank.
Wasn't arguing that Asbestos doesn't have problems, it was the "Family member" bit that got my attention.

Now when it comes to criticising consistently poor content, is there any instance where someone doesn't blather on about anthropogenic GW as a religion on these threads?
Not anymore. Most of us got bored with bashing our heads against the AGW crowd. It always boils down to they believe they are right and no amount of proof will dissuade them. Duece is the current Acolyte of the House of algore.
 

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I can't even count how many times I've had to stress that Al Gore is not a scientist and he doesn't do research on anything. But hey, keep attacking that straw man, MrV!
I'm sorry where in did I claim he was a scientist?
 

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I'm sorry where in did I claim he was a scientist?

He is the holy of holies, the right reverend Al the Pious of the church of our lady of carbonfootprints, the patron saint of all things warming. But hey, he had to do something to stay in the limelight after he got his arse handed to him in the election.
 

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Wasn't arguing that Asbestos doesn't have problems, it was the "Family member" bit that got my attention.
Yes he is in Palliative care now - it has only been about 3 months since the diagnosis. See he was a plumber. Thanks to James Hardie we have the highest rate of Mesothelioma in the world here.
Not anymore. Most of us got bored with bashing our heads against the AGW crowd. It always boils down to they believe they are right and no amount of proof will dissuade them. Duece is the current Acolyte of the House of algore.
Two things I can always rely on in a AGW thread - someone will start twitching and repeating AlGore, AlGOre, ALgore as if he has all the climate scientists in the world tied to a laboratory bench busy wiring Igor up to the lightning rods.

The second is the "religion" accusation. This one is highly amusing from those who will not read research, will not support their own claims with even a link to an opinion blog and who often do not know the difference between a peer reviewed paper and a peed on tissue paper
 

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He is the holy of holies, the right reverend Al the Pious of the church of our lady of carbonfootprints, the patron saint of all things warming. But hey, he had to do something to stay in the limelight after he got his arse handed to him in the election.
He is irrelevant.

Sorry I know you would like it otherwise but apart from appearing in a documentary he is irrelevant to the whole issue.

Sorry but this is a GLOBAL problem affecting the entire GLOBE and being actioned at a GLOBAL level, Now I know Americans like to think their politicians rule the world but I hate to tell you - it just ain't so!!!
 

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Yes he is in Palliative care now - it has only been about 3 months since the diagnosis. See he was a plumber. Thanks to James Hardie we have the highest rate of Mesothelioma in the world here.


Two things I can always rely on in a AGW thread - someone will start twitching and repeating AlGore, AlGOre, ALgore as if he has all the climate scientists in the world tied to a laboratory bench busy wiring Igor up to the lightning rods.

The second is the "religion" accusation. This one is highly amusing from those who will not read research, will not support their own claims with even a link to an opinion blog and who often do not know the difference between a peer reviewed paper and a peed on tissue paper
what good is a peer reviewed paper when all your peers are idiots?
 

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He is irrelevant.

Sorry I know you would like it otherwise but apart from appearing in a documentary he is irrelevant to the whole issue.

Sorry but this is a GLOBAL problem affecting the entire GLOBE and being actioned at a GLOBAL level, Now I know Americans like to think their politicians rule the world but I hate to tell you - it just ain't so!!!

if it is such a global problem, then why do all the solutions seem to focus on costly financial changes the US must make and ignore two of the biggest polluters on the planet (china and india) ????
 
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