Scientists discover that atheists might not exist, and that’s not a joke...

[RAMOSS]

What things?

If you can't not show it, or give a model of what it could be, (It's your claim about 'spiritual beings after all', then what is claimed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. It's your claim. It's up to the person making the claim that something exists to provide a way to test to see if it exists or not. For that, you need a model to describe what it is.

What you are doing is the logical fallacy known as 'shifting the burden of proof'

 

[JH Oldoc]

If you can't not show it, or give a model of what it could be, (It's your claim about 'spiritual beings after all', then what is claimed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. It's your claim. It's up to the person making the claim that something exists to provide a way to test to see if it exists or not. For that, you need a model to describe what it is.

What you are doing is the logical fallacy known as 'shifting the burden of proof'

No - I haven't made any such claim at all.
..as a mater of fact I've said I see no evidence of what is called God at all in this world, but we are then force to look outside the material world because.

"Claiming God does not exist as fact is logically indefensible" then where to seek it?

If you think there is some evidence of God seen as interaction with things which can be measured then site it.

 

[RAMOSS]

No - I haven't made any such claim at all.
..as a mater of fact I've said I see no evidence of what is called God at all in this world, but we are then force to look outside the material world because.

"Claiming God does not exist as fact is logically indefensible" then where to seek it?

If you think there is some evidence of God seen as interaction with things which can be measured the site it.

That is now makign a claim there is somethign 'outside the material world'. Can you show that 'outside the material world' is more than just an idea?

 

[JH Oldoc]

That is now makign a claim there is somethign 'outside the material world'. Can you show that 'outside the material world' is more than just an idea?

Read back please - I wrote if such a state exists - hypothetically.

 

[devildavid]

That's what an epithet is, Davey.

Just don't mistake the finger for the moon as the old saying goes.

No, an epithet is an adjective.

 

[JH Oldoc]

No, an epithet is an adjective.

So if your friends call you David, the Turtle, that's an adjective?
The term epithet has common use, meaning what you are thinking, but also a name given to a person or thing.

 

[watsup]

mmmm no, because that doesn't answer the question how would you define something that does exist that's incomprehensible - if such a thing did exist.

But wait, there's more!

Fantastical:
strange, weird, or fanciful in appearance, conception, etc
created in the mind; illusory
extravagantly fanciful; unrealistic
incredible or preposterous; absurd


All of these define your claims in an excellent manner.

 

[devildavid]

So if your friends call you David, the Turtle, that's an adjective?
The term epithet has common use, meaning what you are thinking, but also a name given to a person or thing.

So, you don't know what an epithet is or how to use it. The Ineffable is not an epithet because it is not describing anyone or anything. It is not a name. My name is not an epithet, as it does not describe me at all.

 

[watsup]

but we are then force to look outside the material world

We are not "forced" to do any such thing. We simply reject that there is such an entity as "god" and that ends it. Period.

 

[watsup]

Read back please - I wrote if such a state exists - hypothetically.

Now you are hiding behind "hypothetically". No such state exists, end of story, no matter how many fantastical statements you make.

 

[watsup]

So if your friends call you David, the Turtle, that's an adjective?
The term epithet has common use, meaning what you are thinking, but also a name given to a person or thing.

Yes, you are clearly good at double-talk, but here is the definition of epithet: "an ADJECTIVE or DESCRIPTIVE PHRASE expressing a quality characteristic of the person or thing mentioned.

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Sorry, you don't get to make up your own definitions for words, no matter how much you would like to.

 

[JH Oldoc]

But wait, there's more!

Fantastical:
strange, weird, or fanciful in appearance, conception, etc
created in the mind; illusory
extravagantly fanciful; unrealistic
incredible or preposterous; absurd


All of these define your claims in an excellent manner.

What claims?

 

[watsup]

Claiming God does not exist as fact is logically indefensible"

Says who? Do you know what a fact is? If there is no evidence for said entity, then the claim that such an entity does not exist is perfectly reasonable and logical.

 

[watsup]

What claims?

You are making all sorts of claims, whether you, in your double-talk care to admit to that or not.

Your claim is that

we are then force to look outside the material world

You are claiming "outside the material world", which is clearly a FANTASTICAL claim as shown by ANY of these defintions:

created in the mind; illusory
extravagantly fanciful; unrealistic
incredible or preposterous; absurd

All that you are saying is that anybody can claim anything ("there is a god"), and then we somehow are obliged to "seek" that entity without the person providing even the least bit of evidence for their claim. That is a FANTASTICAL notion and more akin to science fiction than to any sort of actual "logic".

 

[CaughtInThe]

i so miss the strong, confident men who led our small church by simply helping people.

 

[JH Oldoc]

Says who? Do you know what a fact is? If there is no evidence for said entity, then the claim that such an entity does not exist is perfectly reasonable and logical.

Says who? Gordy, that's who.

Claiming God does not exist as fact is logically indefensible.

 

[watsup]

Says who? Gordy, that's who.

Well, then I guess that I would disagree with Gordy on that particular point. But that in no way makes your claims (and yes, you are making claims whether you care to admit it or not) any less fantastical.

 

[JH Oldoc]

No - I haven't made any such claim at all.
..as a mater of fact I've said I see no evidence of what is called God at all in this world, but we are then force to look outside the material world because.

"Claiming God does not exist as fact is logically indefensible" then where to seek it?

If you think there is some evidence of God seen as interaction with things which can be measured then site it.

That is now makign a claim there is somethign 'outside the material world'.

See that's the whole quote (above). I never claimed there was such a thing, only if a thing didn't exist in the material world but the possibility of it existing couldn't be discounted then one might try looking outside the material world.
Show me where I said there actually was such a place that I knew of.

 

[JH Oldoc]

Well, then I guess that I would disagree with Gordy on that particular point. But that in no way makes your claims (and yes, you are making claims whether you care to admit it or not) any less fantastical.

Always be careful where you step, son.

 

[watsup]

See that's the whole quote (above). I never claimed there was such a thing, only if a thing didn't exist in the material world but the possibility of it existing couldn't be discounted then one might try looking outside the material world.
Show me where I said there actually was such a place that I knew of.

This is easy. The “possibility of it existing” CAN BE discounted because there is not a bit of evidence for same. Therefore there is no need to look “outside the material world”.

 

[JH Oldoc]

Yes, you are clearly good at double-talk, but here is the definition of epithet: "an ADJECTIVE or DESCRIPTIVE PHRASE expressing a quality characteristic of the person or thing mentioned.

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Sorry, you don't get to make up your own definitions for words, no matter how much you would like to.

Can a name be an epithet?

Epithet - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

An epithet (from Ancient Greek ἐπίθετον (epítheton) 'adjective', from ἐπίθετος (epíthetos) 'additional') is a byname, or a descriptive term (word or phrase), accompanying or occurring in place of a name and having entered common usage.

 

[JH Oldoc]

This is easy. The “possibility of it existing” CAN BE discounted because there is not a bit of evidence for same. Therefore there is no need to look “outside the material world”.

Well, you're going to have to take this up with Gordy then, because he has a bit of a dilemma if a thing can not be found/isn't in one place but may be found, then it would follow that it might be elsewhere.

Personally, I don't care if he finds it or not. I'm just nice enough to try and help.

 

[Fishking]

Post some original thoughts and words, or be a coward and say nothing.

You always appear to chose the cowardly approach.

Why is that?

Your post is ****ing dumb.

 

[NolanVoyd]

Well, your going to have to take this up with Gordy then, because he has a bit of a dilemma if a thing can not be found/isn't in one place but may be found, then it would follow that it might be elsewhere.

Personally, I don't care if he finds it or not. I'm just nice enough to try and help.

Your arrogance always far exceeds your achievements.

You are a legend in your own mind.

 

[watsup]

Can a name be an epithet?

Epithet - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

An epithet (from Ancient Greek ἐπίθετον (epítheton) 'adjective', from ἐπίθετος (epíthetos) 'additional') is a byname, or a descriptive term (word or phrase), accompanying or occurring in place of a name and having entered common usage.

You claimed that an epithet is “not” an adjective. Clearly you were wrong. Why not just admit it?