Science and history as anything changed?

[presluc]

It's all about the money,
Well according to the article below anyway.
The Royal society was "short of cash" it seems and recinded it's promise to help pay for Newton's masterpiece
Newton's book on motion would not had been published if not for the help of Edmond Halley, who raised the funds to pay for Newton's book to get published in 1687. some from his own pocket.

It makes one wander are there scientific projects and breakthroughs being overlooked today because the American Scientific Community is "short of Cash"?
The following article was on a Yahoo news feed found on a Yahoo home page.eace



The fish that nearly sank Isaac Newton's career

By Stephanie Pappas | LiveScience.com – 16 hrs ago

• View PhotoA seventeenth century engraving of a flying fish from John Ray and Francis Willughby's 1686 book Historia Piscium. The 300-year-old drawing of a flying fish that nearly scuttled Isaac Newton's world-changing …more

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An intricate image of a flying fish is one of hundreds of images now searchable online courtesy of the Royal Society, the United Kingdom's national academy of science.
This striking wood engraving appeared in the 1686 text "Historia Piscium" or "The History of Fishes" by John Ray and Francis Willughby. Now mostly forgotten, the book was groundbreaking for its time. Unfortunately, "The History of Fishes" almost prevented another groundbreaking work from being published: Isaac Newton's "Philosophiae Naturalis Principia Mathematica" ("Mathematical Principles of Natural Philosophy").
The lavish engravings in "The History of Fishes" were so expensive to publish that they nearly bankrupted the young Royal Society, at that time only 26 years old. Short of cash, the Society had to rescind its promise to help pay for the production of Newton's masterpiece.
Fortunately for Newton (and for science), his "Principia" caught astronomer Edmond Halley's eye. Halley would be remembered mainly for computing the orbit of the comet that bears his name, but at the time he was a young Royal Society clerk. Halley took on the "Principia" as a personal project, raising funds (many from his own pocket) to get the work published in 1687. Newton's book included his three laws of motion, which along with his law of universal gravitation, was able to explain the orbits of planets. In fact, his book is still widely considered to be one of the most important scientific works of all time, covering physics and mathematics. [6 Weird Facts About Gravity]
It might seem strange that the Royal Society nearly passed up Newton's work for a book about fish, but the scientific revolution was young, said Jonathan Ashmore, the chair of the Royal Society's library committee.
"Although the Principia may have gone on to achieve lasting fame and glory, we hope that visitors to our new online picture resource will be able to appreciate why early Fellows of the Royal Society were so impressed by Willughby's stunning illustrations of piscine natural history," Ashmore said in a statement.

Ladies and Gentlemen I await your comments and responses on this subject.

 

[Matt Foley]

That flying fish is global warming.

I'm probably going to have to spell this out. Global Warming research is squeezing out more important research. Who knows, maybe 100 years from now people will say, "We would have invented the proton rocket engine 50 years ago and be finished terraforming Mars by now if it weren't for wasting so much money on Global Warming."

 

[presluc]

That flying fish is global warming.

Yeah, sure in 1687???

Do you wish to comment or debate the OP or are you just,
Hijacking another thread , Matt?eace

 

[Matt Foley]

Yeah, sure in 1687???

Do you wish to comment or debate the OP or are you just,
Hijacking another thread , Matt?eace

It seems pretty pertinent to me, how is it hijacking?

 

[presluc]

It seems pretty pertinent to me, how is it hijacking?

Well, global warming has been studied since the late 60's Nasa still had money then.
Today American astronauts have to hichhike to get a ride to an American space station.

To say all this money is going to global warming reserch is a bit of a stretch isn't it?

Especialy with so many millionares and billionares around that get a tax cut from the government.

I guess these rich dudes care nothing about scientific reserch.

What about the reserch money oil companies get that's a chunk of change the last I looked.
Then there's the bailout money for the corporations.
And you place the blame on global warming alone.
Which buy the way how's that working out , any alternitive fuels to oil yet, any less smog in L.A. or any less pollution in Pittsburg or Detroit?eace

 

[Matt Foley]

Well, global warming has been studied since the late 60's Nasa still had money then.
Today American astronauts have to hichhike to get a ride to an American space station.

To say all this money is going to global warming reserch is a bit of a stretch isn't it?

No.

And I didn't just mean simply money, I meant the attention of people being focused on it, like who publishes what book at the exclusion of other books like in your Newton example; focusing the public's attention to the exclusion of other things that could be focused on.

Especialy with so many millionares and billionares around that get a tax cut from the government.

*sigh* I guess

I guess these rich dudes care nothing about scientific reserch.

uhhuh

What about the reserch money oil companies get that's a chunk of change the last I looked.
Then there's the bailout money for the corporations.

what about it

And you place the blame on global warming alone.

can't you even stick to the topic you created like. "focusing the public's attention to the exclusion of other things that could be focused on."

Which buy the way how's that working out , any alternitive fuels to oil yet, any less smog in L.A. or any less pollution in Pittsburg or Detroit?eace

uhhuh I can't find a video on youtube of Homer Simpson going "Uh Huh," but I know he did it once.

 

[presluc]

No.

And I didn't just mean simply money, I meant the attention of people being focused on it, like who publishes what book at the exclusion of other books like in your Newton example; focusing the public's attention to the exclusion of other things that could be focused on.



*sigh* I guess



uhhuh



what about it



can't you even stick to the topic you created like. "focusing the public's attention to the exclusion of other things that could be focused on."



uhhuh I can't find a video on youtube of Homer Simpson going "Uh Huh," but I know he did it once.

Pretty much stayed on the topic at least I thought I did.
Perhaps if I explained it a different way?

Ok the Royal Society is kinda like the Scientific institute very interested in scientific ideas.
So Newton has this book he presents it to the Royal Society which is interested in seeing it published but are a "short on cash" so the Royal Society recindes it's offer to help pay for Newton's book.

So, enter Edmond Halley a young Royal Society clerk who has an idea how to get enough money to get the funds to publish Newton's book some out of his own pocket.
Which was fortunate for Newton and Science.
Question; if a young clerk could find a way to get enough funds to publish Newton's book why couldn't the Royal Society??

In short this happened because Halley believed in the writings of Newton and acted on it.
Later Halley would become well known in the scientific world as well for the comet that bears his name Halley's comet.

Did the fact that Halley helped Newton's book get published have anything to do with Halley's future accomplishments?
Who knows?
However, Halley took it upon himself to do this, to make this sacrifice to get the funds and contribute some of his own money to publish Newton's book that contained the motions.
Sounds like this young clerk believed in science and proved it twice.

Today there are a lot of talk about scientific beliefs but few actions, few sacrifices and very little proof.

True Scientist are risktakers , Matt not talkers.

Indeed, if I had more of an I.Q. I would be trying something new instead of running to the patent office everytime I had an idea.eace

 

[Matt Foley]

Pretty much stayed on the topic at least I thought I did.
Perhaps if I explained it a different way?

Ok the Royal Society is kinda like the Scientific institute very interested in scientific ideas.
So Newton has this book he presents it to the Royal Society which is interested in seeing it published but are a "short on cash" so the Royal Society recindes it's offer to help pay for Newton's book.

So, enter Edmond Halley a young Royal Society clerk who has an idea how to get enough money to get the funds to publish Newton's book some out of his own pocket.
Which was fortunate for Newton and Science.
Question; if a young clerk could find a way to get enough funds to publish Newton's book why couldn't the Royal Society??

In short this happened because Halley believed in the writings of Newton and acted on it.
Later Halley would become well known in the scientific world as well for the comet that bears his name Halley's comet.

Did the fact that Halley helped Newton's book get published have anything to do with Halley's future accomplishments?
Who knows?
However, Halley took it upon himself to do this, to make this sacrifice to get the funds and contribute some of his own money to publish Newton's book that contained the motions.
Sounds like this young clerk believed in science and proved it twice.

Today there are a lot of talk about scientific beliefs but few actions, few sacrifices and very little proof.

True Scientist are risktakers , Matt not talkers.

Indeed, if I had more of an I.Q. I would be trying something new instead of running to the patent office everytime I had an idea.eace

Talk about over analyzing something.

"True Scientists"? What's that?

"True Scientists" are people who are right, not wrong....I guess....what does risk taking have to do with anything?

 

[presluc]

Talk about over analyzing something.

"True Scientists"? What's that?

"True Scientists" are people who are right, not wrong....I guess....what does risk taking have to do with anything?

over analyzing? I thought that's what scientist did to fix a problem or create new ideas "analyze".

The risk has everything to do with science ask the Curies, ask Einstein, ask Newton all were scientist all took risk at presenting a new idea to science something different.

Anytime, something, a new idea is presented ,the person presenting it will always have the old doubters to criticize and to find something wrong with it , won't work, not good enough,too dangerous, too expensive anything to stay where they are and to use the same ideas.

A lot of scientist today "talk the talk"and write books , give lectures.

True scientist "walk the walk " they are too busy working on a prototype to write books , and too busy checking on new idea to give lectures, maybe too busy WORKING.eace

 

[Matt Foley]

over analyzing? I thought that's what scientist did to fix a problem or create new ideas "analyze".

The risk has everything to do with science ask the Curies, ask Einstein, ask Newton all were scientist all took risk at presenting a new idea to science something different.

Ugh. You've been listening to too much right wing propaganda. Science isn't about "risk".

 

[presluc]

Ugh. You've been listening to too much right wing propaganda. Science isn't about "risk".

Independent, Matt Independent.

Are you telling me that splitting the Atom had no risk, or working with Radium had no risk.

What's next? the first trip to the moon was a cakewalk and the first Atomic bomb test was a trip through the tulips?eace

 

[Matt Foley]

Independent, Matt Independent.

Are you telling me that splitting the Atom had no risk, or working with Radium had no risk.

What's next? the first trip to the moon was a cakewalk and the first Atomic bomb test was a trip through the tulips?eace

lol.

A) There is no risk in coming up with Maxwell's equations.

B) Going to the moon was an engineering challenge not a scientific one.

Too much right wing propaganda dude, it melts your brain.

 

[presluc]

lol.

A) There is no risk in coming up with Maxwell's equations.

B) Going to the moon was an engineering challenge not a scientific one.

Too much right wing propaganda dude, it melts your brain.

INDEPENDENT,Matt remember.

In natural law for every action there is a reaction.
Maxwell's equations could lead to something else, something the scientific community could use, then perhaps the scientific community would take a risk..

If the trip to the moon "an engineering challenge" if it would have discovered a new element the scientific intellectuals would have been all over it.

Many of scientific inventions and breakthroughs come from accidents or luck, if you are an intellectual you know this.eace

 

[Matt Foley]

INDEPENDENT,

right wing propaganda

Matt remember.

In natural law for every action there is a reaction.
Maxwell's equations could lead to something else, something the scientific community could use, then perhaps the scientific community would take a risk..

You're really stretching it there. Maxwell wasn't at risk of losing his fortune or his life when coming up with equations on electromagnetism.

If the trip to the moon "an engineering challenge" if it would have discovered a new element the scientific intellectuals would have been all over it.

"scientific intellectuals" What caste is that?

Nobody was expecting to find a new element. You don't find "new elements" by visiting extraterrestrial bodies.

Many of scientific inventions and breakthroughs come from accidents or luck, if you are an intellectual you know this.eace

accidents and luck is not "risk".

 

[presluc]

right wing propaganda



You're really stretching it there. Maxwell wasn't at risk of losing his fortune or his life when coming up with equations on electromagnetism.



"scientific intellectuals" What caste is that?

Nobody was expecting to find a new element. You don't find "new elements" by visiting extraterrestrial bodies.



accidents and luck is not "risk".

I am not now nor have ever been a right winger, if anybody is right wing it is you Matt.
For although I have never used fortune and science research in the same sentence you have.
Everybody knows the right wing puts for profit and fortune before anything else even Scientific breakthroughs.

What caste is scientific intellectuals I'm beginning to wander that myself.
For if the best that the Scientist of today can do is give lectures and write books and google projects and frequent visits to the patent house WELL??

Nobody was expecting to find a new element???
Why of course not, after all, new elements have a sign above them saying "new elements found here". lol
That's what I like about the old scientist they are always prepared they expect nothing and get... well nothing.

Are you actually telling me that the scientist of Earth knows and have cataloged every element in the universe without going to another planet????
Now that's not risky but it's not logical either, in fact impossible would be a good word to describe that.eace

 

[Matt Foley]

Are you actually telling me that the scientist of Earth knows and have cataloged every element in the universe without going to another planet????

Yes..........

 

[presluc]

Yes..........

LOL, So the possibility of a new element something not found on earth , but found in another galaxy is not possible.

Maybe in the minds of old scientist, but the unknown theory is the best theory old scientist have to offer the world and they pretend it's not there.eace

 

[Matt Foley]

LOL, So the possibility of a new element something not found on earth , but found in another galaxy is not possible.

Maybe in the minds of old scientist, but the unknown theory is the best theory old scientist have to offer the world and they pretend it's not there.eace

Now you're planning on going to another galaxy, damn aren't you ambitious.

 

[presluc]

Now you're planning on going to another galaxy, damn aren't you ambitious.

Perhaps if more Americans , politicians and scientist were a bit more ambitious, America's economy would be better , there would be an alternative fuel to oil to use , and America would have something new besides an updated "new cellphone".eace