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12/13/18
Senate Democratic Leader Charles Schumer (N.Y.) on Thursday declared that Democrats will not provide any more funding for a border wall and are willing to wait until January, when a Democratic majority in the House will give them more leverage, to deal with the issue. “I want to be crystal clear. There will be no additional appropriations to pay for the border wall. It’s done,” Schumer declared on the Senate floor. Parts of the government will shut down after Dec. 21 if a new funding bill isn’t signed into law. The sticking point has been Trump’s demands for $5 billion in funding for his border wall. Schumer has since said he would back keeping funding at 2018 levels, which would provide about $1.3 billion for border fencing.
Trump declared during a televised exchange with Schumer and the likely next Speaker of the House, Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), that he would accept responsibility for a shutdown. “I will take the mantle. I will be the one to shut it down,” Trump said at the White House meeting. The remarks dumbfounded Republicans, who felt Trump had given away valuable leverage to Democrats. Schumer argued that there is now no way for Trump to avoid blame for a shutdown after his comments Tuesday. “If we wind up with a shutdown, it will be entirely the president’s fault,” he said. “President Trump himself would not dispute that in the Oval Office Tuesday. He almost bragged that he would shut down the government.”
At least Schumer doesn't deny he doesn't give a damn about the USA or Americans, it is all about fighting against the President.
Of course Democrats don't want the wall because they know it will work. In the areas where there is a substantial wall as opposed to corrugated metal and chicken wire, illegal crossings have been cut to a trickle.
That walls work is well known. If they didn't, they wouldn't be around homes, businesses, research facilities, military bases, prisons, nuclear plants and, yes, nations. Nobody keeps using something that fails to perform its intended purpose. Democrats support illegal immigration. They want more of it. Big business supports it and wants more of it, too. The only people who don't want it are the majority of everyday Americans. Trump is only doing what the public wants.
Oh, and I'm happy to have my tax dollars go to the wall if that's what it takes. In the long run, it'll saves us hundreds of billions of dollars.
Of course Democrats don't want the wall because they know it will work. In the areas where there is a substantial wall as opposed to corrugated metal and chicken wire, illegal crossings have been cut to a trickle. That walls work is well known. If they didn't, they wouldn't be around homes, businesses, research facilities, military bases, prisons, nuclear plants and, yes, nations. Nobody keeps using something that fails to perform its intended purpose. Democrats support illegal immigration. They want more of it. Big business supports it and wants more of it, too. The only people who don't want it are the majority of everyday Americans. Trump is only doing what the public wants.
Oh, and I'm happy to have my tax dollars go to the wall if that's what it takes. In the long run, it'll saves us hundreds of billions of dollars.
I like a fair amount of progressive and liberal positions, but the bolded is one that blows me away. I'm not sure how large or persistent the open borders crowd is, because leadership does not espouse open borders, at least publicly. But it is the one thing that embarrasses me about coming back to the Dem party.Of course they won't. They'd rather be just as immature as Trump so they can hurt Trump, without any regard or care that they hurt the country as well. All they seem to care about on this issue is hurting Trump, not governing.
Someone needs to be the adult in the room. It ain't gonna be Trump, and it ain't gonna be the Democratic Congressional Leadership, so who's it going to be?
Border security is one of the PRIMARY responsibilities of, and one of the main reasons why we even have, the Federal Government.
I get it, they have a large Progressive faction that is for open borders, or at the very minimum the lack of immigration enforcement that equates to open borders, like sanctuary cities and other pro-illegal alien actions.
Having a large faction of supporters that support a particular act, doesn't make that act the right thing to do, and why I say that someone needs to be the adult.
Schumer offered to fund the wall in 2019 exactly as it was funded through 2018. The Trump administration has only spent 6% of the 2018 Congressional funds appropriated for the wall.
Right now, I'm embarrassed of the whole bunch.I like a fair amount of progressive and liberal positions, but the bolded is one that blows me away. I'm not sure how large or persistent the open borders crowd is, because leadership does not espouse open borders, at least publicly. But it is the one thing that embarrasses me about coming back to the Dem party.
Of course joining the GOP & Trump would embarrass me more, so I guess I lose in that department no matter what.
Of course Democrats don't want the wall because they know it will work. In the areas where there is a substantial wall as opposed to corrugated metal and chicken wire, illegal crossings have been cut to a trickle. That walls work is well known. If they didn't, they wouldn't be around homes, businesses, research facilities, military bases, prisons, nuclear plants and, yes, nations. Nobody keeps using something that fails to perform its intended purpose. Democrats support illegal immigration. They want more of it. Big business supports it and wants more of it, too. The only people who don't want it are the majority of everyday Americans. Trump is only doing what the public wants.
Oh, and I'm happy to have my tax dollars go to the wall if that's what it takes. In the long run, it'll saves us hundreds of billions of dollars.
I think yours is a valid point.Just curious if you can cite some evidence for that. What is a 'substantial wall' and where do we have them, and what analysis/es have compared this wall structure with other barriers?
Thanks. I've been looking for some evidence based analysis of the need for the Great Wall of Trump and have come up empty so far.
Just thought I'd note that the GOP House hasn't funded Trump's full Great Wall $ demand, ever. The House failed twice to fund it this summer, so on what basis are you claiming that it's the Democrats' fault that Trump's Great Wall hasn't been fully funded?
Of course Democrats don't want the wall because they know it will work. In the areas where there is a substantial wall as opposed to corrugated metal and chicken wire, illegal crossings have been cut to a trickle. That walls work is well known. If they didn't, they wouldn't be around homes, businesses, research facilities, military bases, prisons, nuclear plants and, yes, nations. Nobody keeps using something that fails to perform its intended purpose. Democrats support illegal immigration. They want more of it. Big business supports it and wants more of it, too. The only people who don't want it are the majority of everyday Americans. Trump is only doing what the public wants.
Oh, and I'm happy to have my tax dollars go to the wall if that's what it takes. In the long run, it'll saves us hundreds of billions of dollars.
I like a fair amount of progressive and liberal positions, but the bolded is one that blows me away. I'm not sure how large or persistent the open borders crowd is, because leadership does not espouse open borders, at least publicly. But it is the one thing that embarrasses me about coming back to the Dem party.
Of course joining the GOP & Trump would embarrass me more, so I guess I lose in that department no matter what.
Well said, with the bolded. and in general, I agree.Right now, I'm embarrassed of the whole bunch.
It's not the actual implementation of open borders, because that won't happen since it would lead to open rebellion in this country, but the institutionalizing of policies like sanctuary cities that have the same effect that concern me.
Schumer says Dems won’t budge on Trump wall demand
As you stated yourself so many times Mr. Trump, elections have consequences.
Post links to confirm that "Democrats support illegal immigration" and "big business supports it too". This should be interesting.
Unfortunately we don't get to approve what our tax dollars go to. So while you may be happy to not fear losing your job to a low skilled immigrant because of a wall, it isn't up to you. I'm sure there are people who don't want their tax dollars to pay for the war in Iraq, but they don't get a say in it.
Schumer says Dems won’t budge on Trump wall demand
I like a fair amount of progressive and liberal positions, but the bolded is one that blows me away. I'm not sure how large or persistent the open borders crowd is, because leadership does not espouse open borders, at least publicly. But it is the one thing that embarrasses me about coming back to the Dem party.
Of course joining the GOP & Trump would embarrass me more, so I guess I lose in that department no matter what.
Schumer says Dems won’t budge on Trump wall demand
As you stated yourself so many times Mr. Trump, elections have consequences.
I find it unsurprising that neither Schumer nor The Hill mention the issue of national security, which is the basis for Trump's position. National security, obviously, isn't much of a concern to either Nancy or Chucky.
I think that's fair, Ramoss. So many terms are co-opted and corrupted for political use, and open-borders is one of them.I am a progressive, and I never saw anybody advocate for an open border. That seems to be a right wing boogy man. I also want to see what is meant by 'open border'. That can mean so many different things to so many different people that it's a term that can be abused for political purposes all too much..
Of course they won't. They'd rather be just as immature as Trump so they can hurt Trump, without any regard or care that they hurt the country as well. All they seem to care about on this issue is hurting Trump, not governing.
Someone needs to be the adult in the room. It ain't gonna be Trump, and it ain't gonna be the Democratic Congressional Leadership, so who's it going to be?
Border security is one of the PRIMARY responsibilities of, and one of the main reasons why we even have, the Federal Government.
I get it, they have a large Progressive faction that is for open borders, or at the very minimum the lack of immigration enforcement that equates to open borders, like sanctuary cities and other pro-illegal alien actions.
Having a large faction of supporters that support a particular act, doesn't make that act the right thing to do, and why I say that someone needs to be the adult.
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