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School punishment

Should schools be able to give corporal or alternative punishment without parent permission?

  • Yes to corporal punishment without permission, no to alternative

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    48
Correct. But spanking, corporal punishment is abuse, not discipline. There are only temporary, short term "benefits" to spanking. It has only ever shown short term compliance, while research shows long term negative consequences from it.

Please note how you changed it to abuse when I said assault. If you hit an adult with a board, paddle, your hand, etc on the ass as "punishment", you can and likely will be charged with assault. There would of course be an exception for if there is consent, but that would apply in general to a sexual connotation to the spanking and kids can't consent to that.

This paper in particular has a great point. It shouldn't be on us to prove that physical punishment, corporal punishment, spankings are harmful but rather on your side to show it is not abusive, should be allowed to be used on kids because you can show empirical evidence (not anecdotal short term compliance) of benefits that outweigh the negatives, the evidence showing it is bad.

there is no learning without discipline. generations grew up with paddling and our nation was the envy of the world
 
No it doesn't. There's research to show that spanking is more likely to actually cause bullying behavior, to create bullies than "stall" them.



Kids who are spanked tend to start to learn that it is simply how bigger people get smaller people to comply, by using physical violence against others.

kids should fear misbehaving------we all should
 
kids should fear misbehaving------we all should
No. We should internally recognize why we shouldn't do some things and choose not to do them. Holding people responsible for harming others is not at all the same as forcing someone to fear doing that thing.
 
there is no learning without discipline. generations grew up with paddling and our nation was the envy of the world
Discipline does not equal physical punishment, spanking, paddling, corporal punishment. Again, we have evidence against it, you have none for it.

Our nation is absolutely not the "envy of the world". There are at least a dozen countries better than the US.
 
back when paddling was allowed, we were
No, we weren't. That is just more of American exceptionalism, Americans being told that we were envied by everyone else. It isn't true. It is simply an ego boosting claim.
 
Hey----you want to educate your own kids?? Be my guest.

There is more mental illness today since we eliminated corporal punsihment than there was for the two centuries BEFORE it was banned............give me a break....

Would that have helped Jesus then... with all his delusions and hallucinations, maybe if Joseph had caned him more Jesus might have been normal?


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No, we weren't. That is just more of American exceptionalism, Americans being told that we were envied by everyone else. It isn't true. It is simply an ego boosting claim.
You’re dead wrong. Other countries envy the US for numerous reasons. American is first in almost every metric. American is exceptional. You sound like the women on the View. Or Ellen and Rosy. Maybe you should join them.
 
Still waiting for your response about how officers discipline recruits in the military.

Full Metal Jacket style... has to be. Can't imagine anything else after seeing that DI Bastard of a genius.
 
care to write a 67-page essay explaining it to us????? Didn't think so. I feel the same...
I don’t need to.

If anyone touches my kid, they’ll be met with criminal charges AND a civil lawsuit and then I will also be finding bail money for my husband 🤷‍♀️
 
I don't see why schools need to be doing this at all. If they are misbehaving, let the parents know. If it's severe enough, suspend them and then it's the parents' problem. Schools don't need to be doling out physical violence. That isn't their job.
 
Hey----you want to educate your own kids?? Be my guest.

There is more mental illness today since we eliminated corporal punsihment than there was for the two centuries BEFORE it was banned............give me a break....
Yeah, smartphones, social media... that couldn't have anything to do with the increase in mental illness among young people, it has to be the fact we don't paddle them in school anymore...
 
You’re dead wrong. Other countries envy the US for numerous reasons. American is first in almost every metric. American is exceptional. You sound like the women on the View. Or Ellen and Rosy. Maybe you should join them.
We aren't even close to first in the main, most positive metrics.

What metrics would make the world envy us besides maybe the economy? And even in the economy, we're only first in a couple of things, including having the richest people, which isn't really a good thing when we also have so many poor people. Be specific. And keep in mind, being the first to do something isn't a metric, but an event.
 
I received my fair share of "swats" when I was in school. My parents didn't have any problem with it and I received the same when I got home. I deserved those swats. Having said that, as a retired teacher, I could never hit a child/student. I have never struck my child. I simply can't do it.

As an FYI, when we finally did have a child, my wife and I agreed that I could never strike her. I have a bad temper and knew long before we had a child that I should never spank our child.
 
We aren't even close to first in the main, most positive metrics.

What metrics would make the world envy us besides maybe the economy? And even in the economy, we're only first in a couple of things, including having the richest people, which isn't really a good thing when we also have so many poor people. Be specific. And keep in mind, being the first to do something isn't a metric, but an event.
Just off the top of my head.

Education. The US has more foreign students than any other country. Over 1 million. Why?

Prosperity.

Multi faceted opportunity.

Religious freedoms. Social freedoms

Military security.

Health

Climate

The US has a population of nearly 400 million. It’s unfair to compare it to the Nordic countries for example.
 
I remember a principal gave me the option between two hours of after school detention or two swats with a paddle when I was a freshman. The choice was easy. Who wants to stay for two hours after school? I think they were done away with the next year, and the school implemented Saturday detention, which was even worse.

I don't think our daughters' school uses corporal punishment, but if they did, I would opt them out of it. Making them miss an after school event or wake up early on a Saturday morning is more effective in my opinion.
 
I remember a principal gave me the option between two hours of after school detention or two swats with a paddle when I was a freshman. The choice was easy. Who wants to stay for two hours after school? I think they were done away with the next year, and the school implemented Saturday detention, which was even worse.

I don't think our daughters' school uses corporal punishment, but if they did, I would opt them out of it. Making them miss an after school event or wake up early on a Saturday morning is more effective in my opinion.
for classroom management on the spot I would prefer corporal punishment up to a certain age......
 
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