SC on track to be #28.

[braindrain]

Yeah, I sure wish Canada was more like the USA about guns. You guys sure got that one right.
Tell you something bud, and I can't prove it but I'm sure as sure can be- if the author of the 2nd Amendment (Madison?) could see how his intention had been perverted he'd be first to say it was a blunder. No way did he-they intend that every dumbass idiot, every rage addict, every psycho cat torturer walking the streets in the US should be allowed to be armed.
'Perverted' I said and I mean it. You lot have got the intention well and truly fubar.

Oh I am very sure that a lot of people here care about what you are sure about. Especially after you proved you either have never read the numerous quotes we have from the founding fathers about gun ownership or you just want to pretend you have not to push your little narrative.

 

[braindrain]

I admit only a passing familiarity with the arcane religious apologetics of the Gun Cult.

Tell me do you always think arguing from a position of ignorance is a winning strategy.

 

[Grand Mal]

Perhaps you aren't aware- news travelling slowly in the north country- but there are many people in the US who are prohibited from owning guns at all.

What, they're infringed? Who allowed this? How far is it taken? Who decides?

We just don't start from the assumption that nobody should own one.

Nor do we. We start from the assumption that you should prove you know how to safely handle, store and transport a handgun. We start from the assumption that it's unacceptable for a child in the back seat to pick up the gun that slid out under the front seat and shoot his mother with it. We start from the assumption that it's unacceptable for a child to shoot a shotgun out the upstairs window and kill the girl who lives down the street.
You lot start from those events being acceptable.

Maybe you'll visit someday, and a nice American will let you shoot his handgun.

Maybe I haven't cared to visit the USA since they told me I need a passport. Some of my fondest memories involve large motorcycles and back road American highways but I'll probably never go there again. Too friggin' much grief at the border.

 

[Grand Mal]

Oh I am very sure that a lot of people here care about what you are sure about. Especially after you proved you either have never read the numerous quotes we have from the founding fathers about gun ownership or you just want to pretend you have not to push your little narrative.

You might care about your founding fathers quotes about guns but I sure don't. You might want to pretend that your society, your people and your guns can be included in what****ingever your founders said 250 or what****ingever years ago but I don't.
What is it, do you guys think those sainted Founding Fathers had a second sight, a visionary quality that allowed them to carve in stone commandments that apply today?
A Constitution is nothing more than a monument to the hubris of it's author(s).

 

[Grand Mal]

I don’t think too many here would miss you.

Ooh, burn! Hard to get happy after that one.
Oh well...

 

[braindrain]

You might care about your founding fathers quotes about guns but I sure don't. You might want to pretend that your society, your people and your guns can be included in what****ingever your founders said 250 or what****ingever years ago but I don't.
What is it, do you guys think those sainted Founding Fathers had a second sight, a visionary quality that allowed them to carve in stone commandments that apply today?
A Constitution is nothing more than a monument to the hubris of it's author(s).

It’s funny seeing you act like you know what the founders would say about gun ownership now as if that has any meaning in one post and then in the next claim you could care less what the founders thought.
I guess when one argument gets destroyed just move on to the next huh.

I could not possible care less about your misguided thoughts on what a constitution is.

 

[braindrain]

Ooh, burn! Hard to get happy after that one.
Oh well...

Not a burn. Just a fact.

Is funny though that for someone who spends so much timing whining about America that you are in a message board whose vast majority of posters are American.

 

[Bok Tuklo]

Tell me do you always think arguing from a position of ignorance is a winning strategy.

I don’t need to know the academic underpinnings of Islam to know flying planes into buildings is bad. I see no need to study too deeply the religious rationale of the Gun Cult.

 

[braindrain]

I don’t need to know the academic underpinnings of Islam to know flying planes into buildings is bad. I see no need to study too deeply the religious rationale of the Gun Cult.

But when you try and tell others what the purpose of the 2nd amendment is one probably shouldn’t be as clueless about the 2nd as you clearly are.

 

[Grand Mal]

It’s funny seeing you act like you know what the founders would say about gun ownership now as if that has any meaning in one post and then in the next claim you could care less what the founders thought.

You can't separate the two?

I guess when one argument gets destroyed just move on to the next huh.

I guess when you can't understand one move on to another.

I could not possible care less about your misguided thoughts on what a constitution is.

Nor do I care what your misguided thoughts on what a Constitution is.
You lot just traded belief in a Monarch for belief in Founding Fathers. They're infallible to you, aren't they, and whatever they wrote is like the word of God.
A Constitution was written by men who had such overblown hubris that they thought they could write words that would guide a nation through centuries.
The truth is those men were as mortal, as vulnerable, as ill-guided as men today. And as proud and loud. You guys have been taught all your lives that those guys were exceptional, nearly divinely exceptional and you can't even entertain the thought that they were ordinary men.

 

[RF667799]

I don’t need to know the academic underpinnings of Islam to know flying planes into buildings is bad. I see no need to study too deeply the religious rationale of the Gun Cult.

...to know that they are a despicable bunch of barely human miscreants. ****ing trap shooting and tin can shooting and collecting and...and...killing harmless deer with big soft eyes!

 

[JMB1911A1]

Sorry that's not true compromise at all, that's bending over and taking it in the ass.

The point is to try and get them to compromise. They won’t.

Personally, what I want is national reciprocity, and suppressors, SBRs and SBSs off the NFA. After we get that, we might consider their proposals.

 

[braindrain]

You can't separate the two?

I guess when you can't understand one move on to another.

Nor do I care what your misguided thoughts on what a Constitution is.
You lot just traded belief in a Monarch for belief in Founding Fathers. They're infallible to you, aren't they, and whatever they wrote is like the word of God.
A Constitution was written by men who had such overblown hubris that they thought they could write words that would guide a nation through centuries.
The truth is those men were as mortal, as vulnerable, as ill-guided as men today. And as proud and loud. You guys have been taught all your lives that those guys were exceptional, nearly divinely exceptional and you can't even entertain the thought that they were ordinary men.

I am sorry that you don’t seem to be able to understand how you pretending to know what the person who wrote the 2nd amendment would think while at the same time being ignorant of what he thought back then is rather funny.


I understand your attempt to defect from the stupidity of your argument just fine.

But the difference is that your beliefs are demonstrably wrong. And proven so by the fact that we have amended the constitution multiple times.
But it does go to show the ignorance of your position.

The founding fathers did but think what you claim. That is why they created a process to amend the constitution. It proves they actually thought the opposite of your claim.
That you think anything but a tiny percentage of people see them as nearly divinely exceptional is just another example of you not knowing what you are talking about. But what else is new.

 

[Goshin]

Course they do. They're Albertans.
I, on the other hand, approve of Canada's gun laws ...

Mm. That first line doesn't sound too good y'know?

Like Americans saying "Well they're Southerners so..." and then proceeding to lay into some dubious stereotype.

 

[hooligan]

Do you really think that those who have evil intent are going to not carry a gun because of it being illegal.


To think that someone planning on robbing or murdering you won’t do so because he doesn’t want to break a carrying law is just silly.


And do you think weapons training will make criminals decide to not be criminals any longer or do you just want better trained criminals.

What an odd conclusion to jump to.

No, I don't think any of those things, and I'm certain I posted nothing to indicate that I did.

My post was centered around well-intended neophytes who think they're qualified to defend themselves and others because they've watched John Wick a half dozen times.

I assume you shoot - were you proficient after your first time at the range? The 2nd? Did you understand the implications of using a firearm to defend yourself or others just by purchasing a handgun? That's my point.

 

[Bok Tuklo]

But when you try and tell others what the purpose of the 2nd amendment is one probably shouldn’t be as clueless about the 2nd as you clearly are.

I am not clueless about the 2nd Amendment. I am not completely familiar with the Gun Cult’s religious apologetics.

 

[Grand Mal]

Mm. That first line doesn't sound too good y'know?

It's a thing.

Like Americans saying "Well they're Southerners so..." and then proceeding to lay into some dubious stereotype.

Ask one of your Alberta friends about BCers. There's this thing going on, like an Albertan saying Vancouver is like a box of cereal, full of flakes, fruits and nuts. They'd say to me, "You BC guys don't know how to drive in the snow!" though places in BC get as much snow as anywhere in North America and I'd reply, "You Albertans don't know what to do with a downhill corner!" though some Albertans live in pretty impressive mountains.

 

[Toggle Almendro]

I am not clueless about the 2nd Amendment.

Then why do you post untrue statements about it?

 

[Bok Tuklo]

Then why do you post untrue statements about it?

I don’t consider the religious beliefs of the Gun Cult authoritative on the issue.

 

[Toggle Almendro]

I don’t consider the religious beliefs of the Gun Cult authoritative on the issue.

Whatever that is supposed to mean, it certainly doesn't answer the question of why you make untrue statements about the Second Amendment.

 

[Toggle Almendro]

You might want to pretend that your society, your people and your guns can be included in what****ingever your founders said 250 or what****ingever years ago but I don't.

That's not pretending. The Bill of Rights really does protect our civil liberties.

What is it, do you guys think those sainted Founding Fathers had a second sight, a visionary quality that allowed them to carve in stone commandments that apply today?

Given that what they carved in stone are fundamental protections for our civil liberties, yes.

A Constitution is nothing more than a monument to the hubris of it's author(s).

Nonsense.

Nor do I care what your misguided thoughts on what a Constitution is.

His thoughts are not misguided.

You lot just traded belief in a Monarch for belief in Founding Fathers. They're infallible to you, aren't they, and whatever they wrote is like the word of God.

Given that we are talking about fundamental protections for our civil liberties, yes.

A Constitution was written by men who had such overblown hubris that they thought they could write words that would guide a nation through centuries.

They will guide our nation until the end of time.

The truth is those men were as mortal, as vulnerable, as ill-guided as men today. And as proud and loud. You guys have been taught all your lives that those guys were exceptional, nearly divinely exceptional and you can't even entertain the thought that they were ordinary men.

They were wise enough to realize that our civil liberties would need protection, and wise enough to provide that protection.

 

[Bok Tuklo]

Whatever that is supposed to mean, it certainly doesn't answer the question of why you make untrue statements about the Second Amendment.

Again, my statements about the 2nd Amendment are true. Any religious beliefs towards guns you embrace is not authoritative.

 

[rahl]

Again, my statements about the 2nd Amendment are true. Any religious beliefs towards guns you embrace is not authoritative.

What do you think the 2nd A does and/or means?

 

[Toggle Almendro]

Again, my statements about the 2nd Amendment are true.

That is incorrect. You wrongly stated that the right of the people to keep and bear arms is about preserving a well-regulated militia.

"Preserving a well-regulated militia" and "protecting the right of the people to keep and bear arms" are two totally different subjects. The nuances might not matter too much, but confusing the two indicates a lack of knowledge about the Second Amendment.

And incidentally, why the talk about the militia in any case? Are you eager to have grenades and machine guns freely sold down at the corner store?

That would be fine with me. But I would be surprised to have you agree with me on that.

Any religious beliefs towards guns you embrace is not authoritative.

No one here is talking about religion. I am talking about your factually incorrect statements.

 

[braindrain]

What an odd conclusion to jump to.

No, I don't think any of those things, and I'm certain I posted nothing to indicate that I did.

My post was centered around well-intended neophytes who think they're qualified to defend themselves and others because they've watched John Wick a half dozen times.

I assume you shoot - were you proficient after your first time at the range? The 2nd? Did you understand the implications of using a firearm to defend yourself or others just by purchasing a handgun? That's my point.

It’s strange that you don’t seem to understand that what I said would be the end result of your well intended ideas.
No criminal is going to care about breaking a carry law on his way to do harm. And forcing everyone who owns a gun to have training would only create better trained criminals.


And the fact that you want to create a rule that will effect every single gun owner to deal with what amounts to a statistically insignificant percentage of gun related incidents is rather absurd.

There are a ton of people right now who don’t have a clue about how our government works. Do you support mandatory training on how our government works prior to voting as well.