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Saudi attacks underscore evolving drone threat, experts say

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Saudi attacks underscore evolving drone threat, experts say

Paris (AFP) - An attack on Saudi oil facilities at the weekend has exposed the vulnerability of the kingdom to drone strikes and underscores how traditional air defences can be breached by new low-cost technology, experts say.
Saudi Arabia is one of the world's biggest buyers of weapons and spent an estimated $65 billion on arms last year, mostly from the United States, according to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI).
Its air defences include the latest radars, fighter jets such as the F-15, and Patriot missiles which are meant to intercept missiles fired from enemy territory.
But on Saturday, attacks on national energy giant Aramco's Abqaiq processing plant and the Khurais oil field knocked 5.7 million barrels per day (bpd) off production, over half of the OPEC kingpin's output.
"The Huthis' use of drones to attack Saudi Arabia has identified gaps in its air defences," Becca Wasser from the think-tank Rand Corp told AFP.
This is a very telling incident, as far as where technology needs to go.
 
America... in its aim to "protect the Petro Dollar"... may be linking up to put American Troops into a madness cycle, yet again in the Middle East.

We need to realize "The Petro Dollar" is not going to last forever... American Debt is only Globally Acceptable because of the Petro Dollar and its premise of allowing us to "print money at will"... and the world of nation are more aware of this than ever before in the times of life.

This whole mess is headed in the wrong direction for America... There is no recreating the past, and there is no sustaining a system that has seen havoc spread across the Middle East now for more than a Century...

Trump does not have a clue... all he can see is (his personal profit angle) and the madness of ... "leasing and renting out American Troops and the will to sacrifice their lives for the sake of a price tag of money. America will result to pay a heavy prices for such an imbecile driven by Megalomaniac Madness and Avarice.



After Decades of Decades American money games and weapons promotions has not achieved anything in the region of the Middle East except " escalating conflicts".

People should look at the fact, there is "no" winning any type of War in the Middle East!!! What does it take for that truth to sink in!!!! You can't fight peoples religious ideologies... its something only they can find means to find accord within their systems and societies.

The gaming for Oil... has not and will not gain America the exclusive dominance of the Oil as it has been trying to do for a Century... The only means to deal with such an energy source is for "Global Fair Trade".... and that may well have to come... by each country, using its own currency to make trade... which means, the end of "The Petro Dollar"...

That also means, the World of Nation may need to find a better means to bring some equilibrium to the currencies of nations.

We can't continue to sanction one to back the other in the pursuit of the best deal for America, while it generates chaos in so many other places....

The Future will speed up in the process of developing and utilizing "Renewable Energy"... and "Sadly for America" we are under this President headed backwards with a blindfold on.
 
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I'm not worried- Skynet will protect us.
 
SA better hope their oil lasts and is needed for decades to come. Because without it they seem like a totally inept, incompetent amateur hour country.

We make the best most sophisticated military equipment in the history of man-kind. The Saudis have 100's of BILLIONS $'s of that equipment, yet they can't defeat a bunch of barefoot rebels and allow some drones to take out 1/2 of their oil output.
 
SA better hope their oil lasts and is needed for decades to come. Because without it they seem like a totally inept, incompetent amateur hour country.

We make the best most sophisticated military equipment in the history of man-kind. The Saudis have 100's of BILLIONS $'s of that equipment, yet they can't defeat a bunch of barefoot rebels and allow some drones to take out 1/2 of their oil output.

Our “rebels” wore retread tire sandals, iirc!
 
SA better hope their oil lasts and is needed for decades to come. Because without it they seem like a totally inept, incompetent amateur hour country.

We make the best most sophisticated military equipment in the history of man-kind. The Saudis have 100's of BILLIONS $'s of that equipment, yet they can't defeat a bunch of barefoot rebels and allow some drones to take out 1/2 of their oil output.

People in America SHOULD NOT be with such prideful vigor in down-rating with derogatory regard for other nations, whether they are in the Middle East, Far East, Europe, Asia or Africa...
For THE PAST 2 DECADES.... Weapon Proliferation has been on "over-drive" saturating the world with weapons, some of America's top skilled technology engineers and programmers come from some of these exact same foreign nations. Where money is spinning in high volume, the access to get technology is not with the complication it was in the past.

People forget, Iran was able to bring an America Drone down more than a few years ago, which means; not only do they understand the technology, they are proficient in how its utilized as well as how to manage data streams that control it.

This America delusion as if we are so superior, is a fiction that was born from ignoring the fact decades ago, that World War II was not won by America, it was won by "Allied Forces"... not some thing as if America was the only victor in the matter. As to Industry, we had it only because America was not attacked on its mainland by foreign bomb... But we forget... Other Nation have long since rebuilt themselves and they did so improving on mistakes we made. If anyone travels to some foreign countries, and give respectful attention, they will note... many places have far improved on the attributes they incorporate into what they build. American's has not had a national rebuilding boom since the 1990's in building major marquee things, other than sports stadiums. We have no High Speed Rail, and we've damaged Air Travel to such a degree, that many areas are under-served and gouged by high travel cost.
Hotels in various foreign location have used technology for efficiency and improved customer attributes and many still value the principle of "service".

America is not even in the arena when it comes to "state of the arts public transportation systems", we are not even in the ball park when it comes to "rail system tech and the level of performance China and other nations have achieved. We cannot come close to competing with "bridge building in comparison to the works China has achieved.
They can move multiple 100's of million people daily, "effectively", and we can barely move 100 million functionally, and we are not efficient or highly proficient in doing that.
We spend our time playing Partisan Political Bickering, still trying to deny "the people" what ever can be pursued to be denied. Other Nation build "FOR THEIR PEOPLE"... and that is a stark difference from what America does. We only build for the "wealthy to engage a process of gaining more wealth at the expense of the people, the economy and the nation"
People would truly have to read about American History in the "truths that exist to be uncovered and those that have been uncovered" but not previously accessible to the masses.

America is a "GREAT SYSTEM", in "theory"... it has been "Bastardized for hundred of years by racial ignorance and plutocratic agenda, that has caused and continue to cause and create "political savagery" upon and against the working people, against the civil society, and against and upon the civic stability of city, state, and nation.; this has translated into acts of savagery damaging the monetary system of capitalism. Either we face and fix it, or we suffer the multiplex of issue that it will continue to bring upon and within the nation itself.

We need not go trekking with war aspiration to Iran or any other place in the Middle East. it is not ours to own, nor to control... any American Interest in the Region SHOULD have been built upon "fair and honest" trade agreements!!!!

No one has to continually be on attack posture and invasive manipulative acts, except when they have not dealt from a premise of "fair play"; and we have not... we've put our interest as being more important than the interest of others in the world. That promotes conflict by the simple premise of such mentality. It also puts us at a great disadvantage, because the delusion of superiority, makes us inferior in the ability to learn from and with others.
 
People in America SHOULD NOT be with such prideful vigor in down-rating with derogatory regard for other nations, whether they are in the Middle East, Far East, Europe, Asia or Africa...
For THE PAST 2 DECADES.... Weapon Proliferation has been on "over-drive" saturating the world with weapons, some of America's top skilled technology engineers and programmers come from some of these exact same foreign nations. Where money is spinning in high volume, the access to get technology is not with the complication it was in the past.

People forget, Iran was able to bring an America Drone down more than a few years ago, which means; not only do they understand the technology, they are proficient in how its utilized as well as how to manage data streams that control it.

This America delusion as if we are so superior, is a fiction that was born from ignoring the fact decades ago, that World War II was not won by America, it was won by "Allied Forces"... not some thing as if America was the only victor in the matter. As to Industry, we had it only because America was not attacked on its mainland by foreign bomb... But we forget... Other Nation have long since rebuilt themselves and they did so improving on mistakes we made. If anyone travels to some foreign countries, and give respectful attention, they will note... many places have far improved on the attributes they incorporate into what they build. American's has not had a national rebuilding boom since the 1990's in building major marquee things, other than sports stadiums. We have no High Speed Rail, and we've damaged Air Travel to such a degree, that many areas are under-served and gouged by high travel cost.
Hotels in various foreign location have used technology for efficiency and improved customer attributes and many still value the principle of "service".

America is not even in the arena when it comes to "state of the arts public transportation systems", we are not even in the ball park when it comes to "rail system tech and the level of performance China and other nations have achieved. We cannot come close to competing with "bridge building in comparison to the works China has achieved.
They can move multiple 100's of million people daily, "effectively", and we can barely move 100 million functionally, and we are not efficient or highly proficient in doing that.
We spend our time playing Partisan Political Bickering, still trying to deny "the people" what ever can be pursued to be denied. Other Nation build "FOR THEIR PEOPLE"... and that is a stark difference from what America does. We only build for the "wealthy to engage a process of gaining more wealth at the expense of the people, the economy and the nation"
People would truly have to read about American History in the "truths that exist to be uncovered and those that have been uncovered" but not previously accessible to the masses.

America is a "GREAT SYSTEM", in "theory"... it has been "Bastardized for hundred of years by racial ignorance and plutocratic agenda, that has caused and continue to cause and create "political savagery" upon and against the working people, against the civil society, and against and upon the civic stability of city, state, and nation.; this has translated into acts of savagery damaging the monetary system of capitalism. Either we face and fix it, or we suffer the multiplex of issue that it will continue to bring upon and within the nation itself.

We need not go trekking with war aspiration to Iran or any other place in the Middle East. it is not ours to own, nor to control... any American Interest in the Region SHOULD have been built upon "fair and honest" trade agreements!!!!

No one has to continually be on attack posture and invasive manipulative acts, except when they have not dealt from a premise of "fair play"; and we have not... we've put our interest as being more important than the interest of others in the world. That promotes conflict by the simple premise of such mentality. It also puts us at a great disadvantage, because the delusion of superiority, makes us inferior in the ability to learn from and with others.

You need to read my other posts on this drone attack..

I am NOT in favor of us getting into any war in the ME, hell I don't even want us over there. And our MIC selling weapons to all sides to keep the ME in a continue, never ending war is criminal on our part.

All I'm pointing out is the Saudis are inept, they buy these sophisticated weapons but haven't a clue on how to use them. They're nothing but expensive toys for the sheiks and princes to look at and brag about.
 
You need to read my other posts on this drone attack..

I am NOT in favor of us getting into any war in the ME, hell I don't even want us over there. And our MIC selling weapons to all sides to keep the ME in a continue, never ending war is criminal on our part.

All I'm pointing out is the Saudis are inept, they buy these sophisticated weapons but haven't a clue on how to use them. They're nothing but expensive toys for the sheiks and princes to look at and brag about.

I don't know what your other post say or where they are located, but I grasp it what you say, and I agree with your position. We should not be in any way, and certainly no more in the M.E. - We should not be caught in the loop of insanity... These civilizations are multiple times older than America... and America is acting like a 10 yr old boy trying to dominate over 30 or 40 or 50 yrs old people...

these nation have sucker played America into amassing $22 Trillion of Debt.. and we are too ignorant to know, we fell heads over heel for the game, and the result is we are buried in debt, and other nations are rising up... we now work for them (whether we know it or not, we do that work by being mass consumers of what others produce, and our ignorant politicians of the Republican persuasion think more debt at a higher pace is the answer... they won't let us meet the change we need to meet, by adopting principles of the New Green Deal and take from it what will advance us, and phase in the parts we can't get to right away... to lead ourselves into a different paradigm for the future.
 
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SA better hope their oil lasts and is needed for decades to come. Because without it they seem like a totally inept, incompetent amateur hour country.

We make the best most sophisticated military equipment in the history of man-kind. The Saudis have 100's of BILLIONS $'s of that equipment, yet they can't defeat a bunch of barefoot rebels and allow some drones to take out 1/2 of their oil output.

Unless, of course, it's a false flag to drive up the price of oil
 
Unless, of course, it's a false flag to drive up the price of oil

We should by ABSOLUTELY NO MEANS, rule out the influence of Israel in the drum up of immediately pointing finger only at Iran. We should watch every move that Israel makes while the chaos focus in on this Saudi issue.
When conflict of any sort is enhanced... the Oil cost spike up, and Saudi is not themselves immune from such dubious means within what takes place. We forget for the past 20 yrs, Saudi has made VAST Fortune on oil going from around $20 a bbl before the invasion of Iraq, up to a high of $147 bbl... They went on a massive building and spending spree, and now that stuff has to be maintained and that debt they piled on has to be serviced... They thought, they'd at the least keep Oil near $100 bbl... and the lower cost of Oil is a challenge to meet debt servicing. Result the generated conflict in Yemen, and other acts in the region, with grabs for power, which means "centralizing money" in the hands of people they can deal with to their advantage, whether its by religious premise or pure profit without any frame around it other than increasing profit... and that means by "any means feasible".

This current Administration has no idea what they are dealing with... the Revolving chair of the Secretary of State, the Revolving Chair of National Security Advisor and the disbanding of Diplomatic Corp - sends a single message to the world... That "we" are out of control and don't know what the heck is going on, and have no people in place who even remotely understands the history within the Middle East... Then there's the Imbecilic Trump... Disturbing The World of Nation with Tweets from a Madman, (himself)...

People forget the European's created a means for Iran to sell it's oil without using American Currency, and this is a matter that is far bigger than the average America thinks about, and far beyond the knowledge base of Trump or any of the people who surround him.

The American public has not even a remote concept of how many weapons have been sold around the world, the network was created and turned into a freeway, for the past 18 yrs... it was already a multi lane highway, but it had traffic lights, now it is a freeway, and every weapons producing entity on the planet uses that freeway.

Even little kids play with "drones" so "Drone Tech" is nothing like it was in concept in the 1970's... its real, and any nation can buy them who has the money, if they desire it to be of military grade function, or the average person can buy one, even if its just to play with in their back yard, or even fly around inside their homes or even use it for worst things such a scaled levels of terrorist activity.

So... we need to realize... the nature of change is present... and big weapons can't compete, because using big weapons kill many civilians, and the mass weapons, can't be used because too many people have them... and if anyone uses it, everyone loose.
 
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Unless, of course, it's a false flag to drive up the price of oil

Why a false flag? Driving up oil prices would greatly benefit Russia, Iran's ally.

EDIT: In any case, there's probably not much downside for Iran, at least as they are likely to see it:
Hard-Liners in Iran See No Drawback to Bellicose Strategy

President Trump appeared to be softening toward Iran. He had broken with his administration’s leading advocate of confrontation, signaled a willingness to meet personally with his Iranian counterpart, and reportedly considered relaxing some sanctions.

But Iran, American officials say, responded with violence. The officials have accused Iran of orchestrating or even launching a major attack on Saturday against critical Saudi Arabian oil installations, jolting international energy markets and humiliating a key American ally.

But the slap-the-other-cheek tactic is hardly surprising, Iranian scholars say. Tehran, they said, has concluded that its recent aggressions have effectively strengthened its leverage with the West and in the region. And despite his occasional outburst of threats, Mr. Trump is deeply reluctant to risk an open-ended military confrontation in the Middle East that would endanger world oil supplies in the middle of a re-election campaign.

“Iranian hard-liners consider Trump’s inconsistency to be weakness,” said Ali Ansari, a professor of Iranian history at the University of St. Andrews in Scotland. For Iranian hard-liners, he said, “their policy of ‘maximum resistance’ is working.”

Hard-Liners in Iran See No Drawback to Bellicose Strategy - The New York Times
 
Trump SHOULD NOT EVEN BE DISCUSSING THIS, its a matter for "intelligence community" to derive the correct information. Every-time Trump speaks, he signals to the world just how out of Control America is under his presence in our Governance Administration.

No Nations any longer trust anything Coming Out Of The Trump Administration, he has made America, distrusted to an extreme degree, with his continual twitting and lip flapping... while dismantling every bit of American Agencies and Cabinet Position which once held global respect and regarded for its integrity. RESULT: Trump has given Putin exactly what he wants...which is for the world of nation, not to trust America.

People just as well get ready for China, Russia and Europe to move in and help Mexico and Central American build up, because Trump has denigrated them to such a degree, he has basically delivered them as open game for China, Russia and Europe to move in, set up shop and take a dominating position in economic competition with and upon and against America. BECAUSE... America has been too "ignorantly driven" to realize we should have been investing in Mexico and Central America helping them build up, and help them strengthen their system against Narco Violence.

The only person who has the right idea is Julian Castro, but he is not high enough in polling and position to have the lead for Presidential Candidacy. Even if he does not win, he should likely have a Cabinet Position to promote the "Marshall Plan" for Mexico and Central America, and extend that to incorporate improvements in American Cuban and help build up a better Caribbean system, that is not solely dependent on Tourism.

None of these things will ever get done under Trump... he has an issue with brown skin people where ever they exist, and his delusions of recreating the past of a one ethnicity dominance in America as if he thinks the world will pander to it under the coercion and threats of the past. He will do nothing but "generate more daily contention, expand the conflicts and engage in attacking the system of Regulatory Governance that gave America its standing as being respected by the world of nation.
 
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