Satanic Temple to argue abortion is ritual in legal challenges to states that put up hurdles to procedure

[Slartibartfast]

Abortion is not emotional. The cultivation of the fetus cult is not just some instinct or visceral reaction; it is politics, deliberately weaponized to constrain a pregnant person's autonomy, in the pursuit of the rule of a political minority over a public that does not support that political minority's policies or politics. This condition obtains not from 'emotion', but from building a republic for slave states, and then holding it together after those states murdered hundreds of thousands in defense of slavery, and which therefore has antidemocratic power blocs built into its rules, and its rules about changing the rules.

I agree that there are those taking advantage of peoples emotional nature.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Probably not. We should still try though.

I wish you luck. I have no hope here.

 

[Gordy327]

I agree that there are those taking advantage of peoples emotional nature.

People who get emotional and irrational are often easy to manipulate.

 

[Slartibartfast]

People who get emotional and irrational are often easy to manipulate.

Yup, this is what’s going on with right wing politics.

 

[reinaert]

I agree that there are those taking advantage of peoples emotional nature.

No, it's not 'emotional nature'. It's lies, deception, violence and state power.

 

[minnie616]

That's an interesting take. I doubt it will work, but it might point up some RWNJ hypocrisy.

Especially if we get other Pro Choice religious and non religious groups to join them .

It's only religious. Everything sloganized tenet, clumsily pastiched assumption, urgently screeched doctrine and angry faith proposition opposing abortion stems from unfalsifiable metaphysical claims about ensoulment and theonomic dogma about personhood.

Many pro choice religions do believe that ensoulment and personhood begin with birth.

When the Supreme Court decided Roe they took our sincerely held beliefs into consideration in Roe Part IX

From Roe v Wade Part IX

There has always been strong support for the view that life does not begin until live' birth. This was the belief of the Stoics. [Footnote 56] It appears to be the predominant, though not the unanimous, attitude of the Jewish faith. [Footnote 57]
It may be taken to represent also the position % of a large segment of the Protestant community, insofar as that can be ascertained; organized groups that have taken a formal position on the abortion issue have generally regarded abortion as a matter for the conscience of the individual and her family. [Footnote 58]

 

[Arlette]

And as matter of theological propositions, it assumes that deity is an enormity, a profound monstrosity that wants suffering and disliberty as a first condition of a society.

Actually the Bible says in Lev. 24:17 that anybody killing a HUMAN life shall be put to death. The destruction of a fetus is not considered killing according to Exodus 21:22-24

 

[minnie616]

Satanic, something to think about.

Actually, the name it’s not about Satan at all.

From wiki :

The Satanic Temple does not believe in a supernatural Satan; instead it employs the literary Satan as a metaphor to promote pragmatic skepticism, rational reciprocity, personal autonomy, and curiosity.[8] Satan is thus used as a symbol representing "the eternal rebel" against arbitrary authority and social norms.[14]

 

[minnie616]

Actually the Bible says in Lev. 24:17 that anybody killing a HUMAN life shall be put to death. The destruction of a fetus is not considered killing according to Exodus 21:22-24

I agree.
In fact Back in the 1960s Evangelicals used to be believe that life came with live birth also.

1968, Christianity Today published a special issue on contraception and abortion, among evangelical thinkers at the time. In the leading article, professor Bruce Waltke, of the famously conservative Dallas Theological Seminary, explained the Bible plainly teaches that life begins at birth:

“God does not regard the fetus as a soul, no matter how far gestation has progressed. The Law plainly exacts: 'If a man kills any human life he will be put to death' (Lev. 24:17).
But according to Exodus 21:22–24, the destruction of the fetus is not a capital offense…

Clearly, then, in contrast to the mother, the fetus is not reckoned as a soul.”

 

[Arlette]

I agree.
In fact Back in the 1960s Evangelicals used to be believe that life came with live birth also.

1968, Christianity Today published a special issue on contraception and abortion, among evangelical thinkers at the time. In the leading article, professor Bruce Waltke, of the famously conservative Dallas Theological Seminary, explained the Bible plainly teaches that life begins at birth:

“God does not regard the fetus as a soul, no matter how far gestation has progressed. The Law plainly exacts: 'If a man kills any human life he will be put to death' (Lev. 24:17).
But according to Exodus 21:22–24, the destruction of the fetus is not a capital offense…

Clearly, then, in contrast to the mother, the fetus is not reckoned as a soul.”

Who can argue with God's infinite wisdom?

 

[reinaert]

Especially if we get other Pro Choice religious and non religious groups to join them .

Many pro choice religions do believe that ensoulment and personhood begin with birth.

When the Supreme Court decided Roe they took our sincerely held beliefs into consideration in Roe Part IX

From Roe v Wade Part IX

Yes, agreed. But, the arguments against abortion no longer accept quickening or birth as the moment of ensoulment, and these radical breaks with Christian teaching are now the foundation of the falangist movement's abortion beliefs.

 

[reinaert]

Actually the Bible says in Lev. 24:17 that anybody killing a HUMAN life shall be put to death. The destruction of a fetus is not considered killing according to Exodus 21:22-24

I'm not arguing theology, generally. I'm suggesting that the fetus cult's beliefs demand that god be a monster, either in human affairs, or for eternity.

 

[Arlette]

I'm not arguing theology, generally. I'm suggesting that the fetus cult's beliefs demand that god be a monster, either in human affairs, or for eternity.

God - I don't cotton to such nonsense.

 

[Paragonia]

Satanic Temple to argue abortion is ritual in legal challenges to states that put up hurdles to procedure

The Satanic Temple (TST) said its adherents should be permitted religious exceptions to perform religious abortion rituals in states that have put up barriers to the controversial procedure.

www.foxnews.com

The Satanic Temple (TST) said its adherents should be permitted religious exceptions to perform religious abortion rituals in states that have put up barriers to the controversial procedure.

Responding to a leaked Supreme Court opinion draft that would overturn Roe v. Wade, TST said it was committed to protecting "religious abortion access" for its members.

"In states that outlaw abortion but grant exceptions for instances of incest and rape," TST said in a statement, "members should be permitted a religious exception to perform TST’s religious abortion ritual."

"States that outlaw abortion and do not grant exceptions present more significant challenges, but TST has a number of plans that we will be undertaking quite soon," TST said. "First, we will be suing the FDA to permit TST access to Mifepristone and Misoprostol for use under medical supervision as part of our religious abortion ritual."

TST said it is filing the lawsuit under Federal RFRA, adding that "unfettered access" to these drugs – which are taken to terminate a pregnancy – would be a considerable step toward enabling TST to perform its abortion ritual without government interference.



The religious organization introduced the "Satanic Abortion Ritual" to argue for a religious exception under the Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA), a 1993 federal law which made it illegal for states to interfere in anyone’s religion without demonstrating a compelling interest.

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Heh, that's rich. This is a good thing for 2 reasons:

1. There's not a snowball's chance in hell of this happening, and:

2. This will establish legal precedent for de-recognizing "Satanism" as a religion altogether, and removing any Constitutional protections which the cult has. Meaning that the states and the federal government will have every legal right to outlaw and criminalize Satanism altogether. As well as removing those Constitutional protections from any view - including atheism - which advocates abortion.

So essentially two birds with one stone

 

[Spunkylama]

If they criminalize Satanism they would have to do it for all. Which I have no problem with.

 

[Paragonia]

If they criminalize Satanism they would have to do it for all. Which I have no problem with.

No they wouldn't. They could specifically classify Satanism as a cult rather than a religion, while still giving religious recognitions to actual faiths - Christianity, Judaism, Islam, and so forth.

All they'd have to do is get the Supreme Court to recognize this as Constitutional, and there's nothing you can do about it - you can think it's "unconstitutional" all you want, just like you probably due with the Roe vs Wade issue, but it's not going to change a damn thing in the real world.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Satanic Temple to argue abortion is ritual in legal challenges to states that put up hurdles to procedure

The Satanic Temple (TST) said its adherents should be permitted religious exceptions to perform religious abortion rituals in states that have put up barriers to the controversial procedure.

www.foxnews.com

The Satanic Temple (TST) said its adherents should be permitted religious exceptions to perform religious abortion rituals in states that have put up barriers to the controversial procedure.

Responding to a leaked Supreme Court opinion draft that would overturn Roe v. Wade, TST said it was committed to protecting "religious abortion access" for its members.

"In states that outlaw abortion but grant exceptions for instances of incest and rape," TST said in a statement, "members should be permitted a religious exception to perform TST’s religious abortion ritual."

"States that outlaw abortion and do not grant exceptions present more significant challenges, but TST has a number of plans that we will be undertaking quite soon," TST said. "First, we will be suing the FDA to permit TST access to Mifepristone and Misoprostol for use under medical supervision as part of our religious abortion ritual."

TST said it is filing the lawsuit under Federal RFRA, adding that "unfettered access" to these drugs – which are taken to terminate a pregnancy – would be a considerable step toward enabling TST to perform its abortion ritual without government interference.



The religious organization introduced the "Satanic Abortion Ritual" to argue for a religious exception under the Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA), a 1993 federal law which made it illegal for states to interfere in anyone’s religion without demonstrating a compelling interest.

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This is just an argument for why satanist need to be proscribed.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

If they criminalize Satanism they would have to do it for all. Which I have no problem with.

No, “they” wouldn’t.

 

[Spunkylama]

This is just an argument for why satanist need to be proscribed.

Because they don't adhere to you beliefs?

 

[Spunkylama]

No, “they” wouldn’t.

Removing all religions from the equation would make the world a better place.

 

[Spunkylama]

No they wouldn't. They could specifically classify Satanism as a cult rather than a religion, while still giving religious recognitions to actual faiths - Christianity, Judaism, Islam, and so forth.

All they'd have to do is get the Supreme Court to recognize this as Constitutional, and there's nothing you can do about it - you can think it's "unconstitutional" all you want, just like you probably due with the Roe vs Wade issue, but it's not going to change a damn thing in the real world.

Why is Satanism a cult but Christianity not?

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Removing all religions from the equation would make the world a better place.

Well that’s not going to happen, so your insane ramblings (which are also just wrong) are just that

 

[Paragonia]

Why is Satanism a cult but Christianity not?

That would be like saying why is Martin Luther King a role model, but not Jeffery Dahmer or Josef Mengele.

Removing all religions from the equation would make the world a better place.

No, just remove atheism and Satanism, while giving protection to actual religions: Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, and the like. Just not atheism or Satanism.

What fraction of 1% of the population do said freaks and evolutionary defects even make up anyway? Hell, we could probably just burn all of them at the stake overnight and no one would notice or care (other than maybe about a foul odor which would last a few hours tops).

 

[Spunkylama]

That would be like saying why is Martin Luther King a role model, but not Jeffery Dahmer or Josef Mengele.


No, just remove atheism and Satanism, while giving protection to actual religions: Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, and the like. Just not atheism or Satanism.

What fraction of 1% of the population do said freaks and evolutionary defects even make up anyway? Hell, we could probably just burn all of them at the stake overnight and no one would notice or care (other than maybe about a foul odor which would last a few hours tops).

Btw Atheism is not a religion and Christianity can certainly be classified as a cult.

 

[Spunkylama]

Well that’s not going to happen, so your insane ramblings (which are also just wrong) are just that

Well I don't have to worry about Christianity, the Christians are doing it all on their own.