Satanic Temple to argue abortion is ritual in legal challenges to states that put up hurdles to procedure

[Spunkylama]

Satanic Temple to argue abortion is ritual in legal challenges to states that put up hurdles to procedure

The Satanic Temple (TST) said its adherents should be permitted religious exceptions to perform religious abortion rituals in states that have put up barriers to the controversial procedure.

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The Satanic Temple (TST) said its adherents should be permitted religious exceptions to perform religious abortion rituals in states that have put up barriers to the controversial procedure.

Responding to a leaked Supreme Court opinion draft that would overturn Roe v. Wade, TST said it was committed to protecting "religious abortion access" for its members.

"In states that outlaw abortion but grant exceptions for instances of incest and rape," TST said in a statement, "members should be permitted a religious exception to perform TST’s religious abortion ritual."

"States that outlaw abortion and do not grant exceptions present more significant challenges, but TST has a number of plans that we will be undertaking quite soon," TST said. "First, we will be suing the FDA to permit TST access to Mifepristone and Misoprostol for use under medical supervision as part of our religious abortion ritual."

TST said it is filing the lawsuit under Federal RFRA, adding that "unfettered access" to these drugs – which are taken to terminate a pregnancy – would be a considerable step toward enabling TST to perform its abortion ritual without government interference.



The religious organization introduced the "Satanic Abortion Ritual" to argue for a religious exception under the Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA), a 1993 federal law which made it illegal for states to interfere in anyone’s religion without demonstrating a compelling interest.

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[Grand Mal]

Satanic Temple to argue abortion is ritual in legal challenges to states that put up hurdles to procedure

The Satanic Temple (TST) said its adherents should be permitted religious exceptions to perform religious abortion rituals in states that have put up barriers to the controversial procedure.

www.foxnews.com

The Satanic Temple (TST) said its adherents should be permitted religious exceptions to perform religious abortion rituals in states that have put up barriers to the controversial procedure.

Responding to a leaked Supreme Court opinion draft that would overturn Roe v. Wade, TST said it was committed to protecting "religious abortion access" for its members.

"In states that outlaw abortion but grant exceptions for instances of incest and rape," TST said in a statement, "members should be permitted a religious exception to perform TST’s religious abortion ritual."

"States that outlaw abortion and do not grant exceptions present more significant challenges, but TST has a number of plans that we will be undertaking quite soon," TST said. "First, we will be suing the FDA to permit TST access to Mifepristone and Misoprostol for use under medical supervision as part of our religious abortion ritual."

TST said it is filing the lawsuit under Federal RFRA, adding that "unfettered access" to these drugs – which are taken to terminate a pregnancy – would be a considerable step toward enabling TST to perform its abortion ritual without government interference.



The religious organization introduced the "Satanic Abortion Ritual" to argue for a religious exception under the Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA), a 1993 federal law which made it illegal for states to interfere in anyone’s religion without demonstrating a compelling interest.

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Entirely wrong approach. This needs to not be a religious issue.

 

[Loulit01]

Entirely wrong approach. This needs to not be a religious issue.

Lotsa luck with that. What do you think it is now?

 

[Grand Mal]

Lotsa luck with that. What do you think it is now?

You cant counter a religious claim against abortion with a religious claim favouring it. That makes your position as indefensible as theirs.

 

[Loulit01]

You cant counter a religious claim against abortion with a religious claim favouring it. That makes your position as indefensible as theirs.

Yes, that's the point.

 

[Spunkylama]

You cant counter a religious claim against abortion with a religious claim favouring it. That makes your position as indefensible as theirs.

If they will protect the satanic church from the laws all women will need to do is become satanists and their rights will then be protected.

 

[Gateman_Wen]

Satanic Temple to argue abortion is ritual in legal challenges to states that put up hurdles to procedure

The Satanic Temple (TST) said its adherents should be permitted religious exceptions to perform religious abortion rituals in states that have put up barriers to the controversial procedure.

www.foxnews.com

The Satanic Temple (TST) said its adherents should be permitted religious exceptions to perform religious abortion rituals in states that have put up barriers to the controversial procedure.

Responding to a leaked Supreme Court opinion draft that would overturn Roe v. Wade, TST said it was committed to protecting "religious abortion access" for its members.

"In states that outlaw abortion but grant exceptions for instances of incest and rape," TST said in a statement, "members should be permitted a religious exception to perform TST’s religious abortion ritual."

"States that outlaw abortion and do not grant exceptions present more significant challenges, but TST has a number of plans that we will be undertaking quite soon," TST said. "First, we will be suing the FDA to permit TST access to Mifepristone and Misoprostol for use under medical supervision as part of our religious abortion ritual."

TST said it is filing the lawsuit under Federal RFRA, adding that "unfettered access" to these drugs – which are taken to terminate a pregnancy – would be a considerable step toward enabling TST to perform its abortion ritual without government interference.



The religious organization introduced the "Satanic Abortion Ritual" to argue for a religious exception under the Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA), a 1993 federal law which made it illegal for states to interfere in anyone’s religion without demonstrating a compelling interest.

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That's an interesting take. I doubt it will work, but it might point up some RWNJ hypocrisy.

 

[minnie616]

Entirely wrong approach. This needs to not be a religious issue.

And yet there are many pro choice members ….

Here is a list of Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice( RCRC )members from Wiki:

Member organizations

Coalition Council Members:[5]


Rabbinical Assembly
United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism
Women's League for Conservative Judaism
The Episcopal Church
American Ethical Union National Service Conference
Society for Humanistic Judaism
Presbyterians Affirming Reproductive Options (PARO) of the Presbyterian Church (USA)
Jewish Reconstructionist Federation
Reconstructionist Rabbinical Association
Central Conference of American Rabbis
North American Federation of Temple Youth
Women of Reform Judaism, The Federation of Temple Sisterhoods
Women's Rabbinic Network of Central Conference of American Rabbis
The United Church of Christ
Unitarian Universalist Association
Unitarian Universalist Women's Federation website
Young Religious Unitarian Universalists
Continental Unitarian Universalist Young Adult Network
American Jewish Committee
American Jewish Congress
Anti-Defamation League
Catholics for Choice
Christian Lesbians Out (CLOUT)
Church of the Brethren Women's Caucus
Disciples for Choice
Episcopal Urban Caucus
Episcopal Women's Caucus
Hadassah, WZOA
Jewish Women International
Lutheran Women's Caucus
Methodist Federation for Social Action
NA'AMAT USA
National Council of Jewish Women
Women's American ORT
YWCA of the USA

 

[Gordy327]

You cant counter a religious claim against abortion with a religious claim favouring it. That makes your position as indefensible as theirs.

Sure you can. Fight fire with fire, as it were.

 

[reinaert]

Entirely wrong approach. This needs to not be a religious issue.

It's only religious. Everything sloganized tenet, clumsily pastiched assumption, urgently screeched doctrine and angry faith proposition opposing abortion stems from unfalsifiable metaphysical claims about ensoulment and theonomic dogma about personhood.

 

[minnie616]

You cant counter a religious claim against abortion with a religious claim favouring it. That makes your position as indefensible as theirs.

From the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice website :

Our religious principles: We are attuned to the important role of our diverse faiths in personal and public life.
We treasure the religious freedom guaranteed Americans since our nation’s founding.

Our advocacy position: Good policy allows people of all religions to follow their own faiths and consciences in their own lives. In reproductive health, rights and justice, we define religious liberty as the right of a woman to make thoughtful decisions in private consultation with her doctor, her family and her faith. The religious beliefs of others should not interfere.

 

[Arlette]

Entirely wrong approach. This needs to not be a religious issue.

Alito made it religious by stating the religious belief that life starts at conception

 

[Gordy327]

It's only religious. Everything sloganized tenet, clumsily pastiched assumption, urgently screeched doctrine and angry faith proposition opposing abortion stems from unfalsifiable metaphysical claims about ensoulment and theonomic dogma about personhood.

I have yet to hear an objective, rational argument presented against abortion. Such arguments tend to be religious and/or emotionally based. I even wrote an article a while back objectively arguing for abortion.

 

[Gordy327]

Alito made it religious by stating the religious belief that life starts at conception

From a legal standpoint, it's not about when life starts. It's about when life becomes an actual person.

 

[reinaert]

Alito made it religious by stating the religious belief that life starts at conception

And as matter of theological propositions, it assumes that deity is an enormity, a profound monstrosity that wants suffering and disliberty as a first condition of a society.

 

[reinaert]

I have yet to hear an objective, rational argument presented against abortion. Such arguments tend to be religious and/or emotionally based. I even wrote an article a while back objectively arguing for abortion.

There is one: don't have or be forced to have an abortion you don't want, but its foundation is consent and somatic autonomy, not Deus Vult!

 

[Gordy327]

There is one: don't have or be forced to have an abortion you don't want, but its foundation is consent and somatic autonomy, not Deus Vult!

Personal autonomy and choice is key.

 

[Slartibartfast]

I have yet to hear an objective, rational argument presented against abortion. Such arguments tend to be religious and/or emotionally based. I even wrote an article a while back objectively arguing for abortion.

The nature of the issue is emotionally based. If you are expecting something different then you will just remain dissatisfied.

I’m sorry but that’s just human nature, this has everything to do with social instincts and at which stage of development a person emotionally attaches the developing life.

 

[Lovebug]

Satanic, something to think about.

 

[Gordy327]

The nature of the issue is emotionally based. If you are expecting something different then you will just remain dissatisfied.

I’m sorry but that’s just human nature, this has everything to do with social instincts.

I realize humans are emotional and irrational. That's the problem and why the abortion issue persists. That doesn't mean we shouldn't try to be a more rational species. Especially if we're dealing with a legal issue which should be argued rationally.

 

[Slartibartfast]

I realize humans are emotional and irrational. That's the problem and why the abortion issue persists. That doesn't mean we shouldn't try to be a more rational species. Especially if we're dealing with a legal issue which should be argued rationally.

For many issues we can. For this issue, I don’t think it’s going to happen.

 

[Nomad4Ever]

That's an interesting take. I doubt it will work, but it might point up some RWNJ hypocrisy.

It actually has legally worked in the past. Basically they are just exploiting all the crazy legal leeway we give religions when it comes to ignoring laws. Their goal, generally, is to abuse those laws in as open way as possible to try to get them removed. So if a city council approves a Jesus statue being put in a public place, they petition to put up a goat statue etc. Usually they are pretty successful in their activism to be honest.

 

[CaughtInThe]

I wish someone equally as activist would start another church by another name (like the Church of the Universe) and do the same stuff this church does just to show certain religious people that they never think through certain things.

 

[reinaert]

The nature of the issue is emotionally based. If you are expecting something different then you will just remain dissatisfied.

I’m sorry but that’s just human nature, this has everything to do with social instincts.

Abortion is not emotional. The cultivation of the fetus cult is not just some instinct or visceral reaction; it is politics, deliberately weaponized to constrain a pregnant person's autonomy, in the pursuit of the rule of a political minority over a public that does not support that political minority's policies or politics. This condition obtains not from 'emotion', but from building a republic for slave states, and then holding it together after those states murdered hundreds of thousands in defense of slavery, and which therefore has antidemocratic power blocs built into its rules, and its rules about changing the rules.

 

[Gordy327]

For many issues we can. For this issue, I don’t think it’s going to happen.

Probably not. We should still try though.