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Sarah Palin no longer the darling of her own Tea Party.


I like Sarah Palin, but I would choose Chris Christie over her too. Since she came in second, I don't know what the big deal is. She has actually improved over past polls.
 
And cutting taxes is going to do what for future generations?

Job creation. We need to get people back to work and off government assistance.
Besides, I'm not saying cut taxes. I'm saying don't raise them and let people know what they are going to be for yrs down the road. All the uncertainty has small business kind of frozen in place.
The HC bill is also a hinderance to job growth. We still don't know what the ramifications from it will be.
 
As a card carrying member of MoveOn, I understand grass roots movements, including the Tea Party.
 
It's been answered several times. I'll try a different tact.
They're plan is to do the opposite of what Pelosi, Reid, and the rest of the liberals have been doing the last 2 yrs.
#1 they have promised to listen to the people.

that would be tack, my dear. again, no plan.
 
So you apologize and then you speculate about just what you apologized for?


Please, fool me once. :roll:

nope, i apologized for saying "most"....i don't apologize for saying i think the tea party attracts racists.
 
And cutting taxes is going to do what for future generations?

Okay where do we start slicing and dicing?

Well, considering that in general Tea Party members agree with economic theorists of the notion that cutting taxes increases job creation and economic involvement, I'd imagine it'll help be PART of what spurs a better future for the next generation.

However, the Tea Party is as adamant about cutting spending as it is in regards to cutting taxes. Again, one of the differences between a political PARTY and a political MOVEMENT is that one generally is much more concerned with specific policy and legislation as its made up of POLITICIANS and beuracrats whose life and job is involved with the nitty gritty of such things. A political movement tends to be far more made up of individuals, especially in places of power, than politicials and the such and is generally move focused in an idea than nitty gritty.

As a comparison, you didn't see many anti-war movement folks giving you in depth battle plans and diagrams in regards to exit strategies and the methods in which to do it. You don't see many environmentalists giving lengthy dialogs on the in depth corporate tax codes and the ramifications on the environment and business in regards to the variety of fines and taxes placed upon businesses in the name of the environment. So on and so forth, its a disengenious feint and strawman to expect detailed exact answers on some kind of nationally focused level and not on an individual level when speaking about a movement that is loosely organized at a federal level and is more focused on the individual than the group as some kind of gibbering mass entity.

On a personal level I'd say you start by cutting spending across the board. You then start looking at programs that are either one, wasteful, or two, luxuries, and you start cutting there first.

Or, once again, you could actually READ WHAT PEOPLE ARE POSTING HERE and stop playing dumb. Again, as a general idea, the Tea Party has a stated view i nregards to what to cut and what to do along with cutting taxes:


So you want to know what would be cut. Things identified as outside constitutional authority, duplicate in application, wasteful, ineffective, or things that are better served by the state or local authorities. Most political parties don't have extremely more in depth generalized platforms than that and asking for a handful of specifics as if this is some kind of legislative process shows your dishonesty in this and highlights again, you paying attention Liblady, the issue with people ignorantly mischaracterizing the Tea Party as if it is a political party rather than a political movement.

Further things, ALREADY Posted and Linked to in this thread, concerning the Tea Party and spending:

3. Demand a Balanced Budget
Begin the Constitutional amendment process to require a balanced budget with a two-thirds majority needed for any tax hike. (69.69%)

6. End Runaway Government Spending
Impose a statutory cap limiting the annual growth in total federal spending to the sum of the inflation rate plus the percentage of population growth. (56.57%)

So on top of not adding new taxes or cutting taxes they want it mandated that the budget is balanced rather than taking loans and want to limit the amount of growth the government can do to limit the amount of spending going on and forcing the politicians to better choose what is most important to use the money towards.

Those are just a couple things, already posted and linked, that deal with what the Tea Party wants above and beyond simply "Cutting taxes". Indeed, there are more planks to their pseudo-platform concerning spending then there is about taxes.
 
nope, i apologized for saying "most"....i don't apologize for saying i think the tea party attracts racists.

Wonderful. So does the Democratic Party. What's the use in bringing it up unless you think its a significant portion?
 
That's retarded. Moveon was a soros front group. Who fronted the tea party?


More here...
 
Perhaps you might read the entire article...




It's funny, whenever I link a guardian article, some left winger tells me its a tabloid. :shrug:



You do know "americans for prosperity" is not the tea party, right?
 
I love that people keep pointing out Angle and O'Donnell as if they're all the candidates or the average Tea Party candidate. While I've not read a ton of them I know from that from a general bit of research into the following stances that I for the most part like all of the following candidates, all supported by the Tea Party:

Joe Miller
Jesse Kelly
Ken Buck
Raul Labrador
Rand Paul
Mike Lee
Pat Toomey
Marco Rubio
Anna Little
Kristi Noem

Do I like EVERYTHING about them? No, there's not a candidate in the world that I like every thing about them. But in general when it comes to the issues I think they're all pretty damn good on them and only really "extreme" if you consider anyone that's not either left or wishy washy "extreme". Yet they don't get a ton of attention because they don't help the media and the left portray the Tea Party as "mostly" a bunch of extremist, racists, bigoted, bafoons
 
So there's no organization and no real leadership...

So...you cant really tell whose a teabagger and who isnt?

1. Protect the Constitution
That's...extremely vague

2. Reject Cap & Trade
Slightly more specific, getting better.

3. Demand a Balanced budget
Ok, how do you want to achieve that?

4. Enact Fundamental Tax Reform
Again with the vague.

5. Restore Fiscal Responsibility & Constitutionally Limited Government in Washington
Yet AGAIN with the vague.

6. End Runaway Government Spending
I'm sensing a trend here.

7. Defund, Repeal, & Replace Government-run Health care
Replace it with what?

8. Pass an "All of the Above" Energy Policy
This doesnt even make sense.

9. Stop the Pork
Vague again.

10. Stop the Tax Hikes
Which ones?

No, it's a frickin' grocery list. This isnt a platform, it's a list of vague ideas that are neither formed nor apparently very well thought out.

Here, this is a political platform
Socialist Party USA

Agree with it or not, it goes into detail, spells out specific steps and goals to take to achieve an end goal. You have a rough draft, I write grocery lists more complicated than that. I love the enthusiasm, but lets see some specific plans

Note that unlike an actual POLITICAL PARTY platform, these are much more theoritical based as they were submitted and voted on by individual citizens and are more focused on common language and simple concepts than in depth policy statements.
Theory is nice but it isnt a plan.
 
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