Weird how learning more about history, science, and human behavior convinces people to give up religion...
I've been thinking about where Santorum is going to show up after the election. It won't be in the white house so I've been wondering if Fox will pick him up or talk radio or what? I'm sure his current celebrity will land him something. Just curious as to what.
please don't complain about the govt GIVING you less money, many of us here had to educate ourselves before grants and easy loans...Personally the PELL Grant was overhauled and the SMART Grant was eliminated. I received a Federal SMART Grant and that was cut under Obama. My PELL Grant shrank even though my personal and family income had stayed the same. The explanation given to me was that rules changed and incomes were adjusted (meaning the government is giving you less money now).
Cry me a river, grant me this, grant me that. Be a man and take out a college loan and pay it back when you start your career. I am so sick of everyone feeling entitled to free education. My mother and father still owe on their college and they are in their 50's. Medical school will follow you for life, but you know what, that's the risk you take when you spend years in college. What benefit does our country recieve sending kids to school for free who can afford to pay back loans when they begin working? Sure they contribute to society, but the money has to come from somewhere to pay teachers and institutions.
I am not a free education nazi, but kids these days feel like everything should be free, WRONG. You are entitled to NOTHING. Damn... I feel like a republican right now. Eeegh.
I can agree, as long as the degree makes the person employable....assuming we have jobs for them, of course.Sound like one too.
I certainly see a noble cause in making college more affordable and easier to pay off. It's not about entitlement, it's about the overall benefits to society.
Santorum and the GOP are just a reflection of the growing attacks on academics and intellectuals coming from modern conservatives. It's one of the warning signs of fascism, actually.
You'll notice that the GOP electoral platform isn't discussing foreign policy and domestic economy that much because Bush was a dismal failure at both; so they're targetting the social issues and hope that enough righties will bite.
Education is never the enemy of the people and our higher learning institutions are part of the research that will innovate our stagnant economy. Yes there are smart people who don't go to college - that's not the point.
I'm so sick of the polarizing rhetoric that tries to turn Americans against one another. If you don't want subsidized higher education, then fine - but don't make it about how the intellectuals are working for Obama. ****ing moron.
Well damn, I was indoctrinated at BU to think critically, learn how to analysis problems and strengths of articles, how to advance my writing and research, and how to think for myself.
I can agree, as long as the degree makes the person employable....assuming we have jobs for them, of course.
...you sure you went to BU?
I've been thinking about where Santorum is going to show up after the election. It won't be in the white house so I've been wondering if Fox will pick him up or talk radio or what? I'm sure his current celebrity will land him something. Just curious as to what.
If everyone goes to college, who is going to rake my leaves?
From CBS:
In addition, here's a partial video of the speech. In it, Santorum calls Obama a "snob" for wanting everybody in the US to go to college.
Santorum: Obama, 'What A Snob' - Rick Santorum - Fox Nation
He actually made some good points about how not everybody learns the same way and that some really smart people don't go to college. However, he ruined it with stupidity seconds later. It's sad that so many people consider college education "snobbish" and treat higher education as "liberal indoctrination". These are the type of people that are dangerous for our country. That said, as someone who prefers Obama over the Republican options, I hope this fool is the nominee!
Yeah. What am I not sure of is if they taught me how to proofread hung over.
Or how to type on my phone.
Like I said in the other thread, Romney is a mormon wizard who uses dark mormon magic to make his opponents say stupid things.
One hardly knows where to start when commenting on the idiocy that flows from the Santorum hole....
He is representative of the Catholic Church mentality that would take away liberty of thought, liberty of conscious... Two things you learn in college are how to think and how to reason. Santorum no like...
The statement is a curious one considering that Santorum — who holds a B.A., M.B.A. and J.D. — holds more advanced degrees than Obama, who has a B.A. and a J.D.
Has it really come to that in this country? We all need to go to college to learn how to think and reason?
That is a very sad commentary on the state of the American family, society and the lower education system.
And it bolsters Santorum's point.
Personally the PELL Grant was overhauled and the SMART Grant was eliminated. I received a Federal SMART Grant and that was cut under Obama. My PELL Grant shrank even though my personal and family income had stayed the same. The explanation given to me was that rules changed and incomes were adjusted (meaning the government is giving you less money now).
Yes. And you need to lift weights in order get muscle mass.
And you have to practice the piano in order to play at Carnegie hall.
No short cuts, my friend.
High school teaches the college-bound how to write and organize their thoughts, do research, write a paper, etc. It also teaches them how to budget their time and not procrastinate.
A sad commentary bolsters his point???
His point seemed to be that the American dream is overrated and people should be content to not aspire above their station. Dreaming and wanting to better oneself are elitist.
Obama is a snob for imagining a country where we don't outsource jobs to India...
That most high schools don't teach de
I think it's important to distinguish between the university as an institution of indoctrination and certain professors as agents of indoctrination. College is, generally speaking, a good thing. It broadens your horizons and challenges your worldview. That's healthy.
Yet, be that as it may, it's pretty hard to disagree with demographics. Most of the tenured college professors currently active in the liberal arts were college students during the 60s, which is around the time college became the accepted path of most "good" kids. I think there is a (waning) generational bias that exists in universities today in certain fields of academia. The people teaching now are people who grew up in a generation that was very skewed toward the left. That's just a fact.
But this is certainly not true for all fields. From what I have seen, business students are overwhelmingly conservative. Students who take economics courses are much inclined to favor economic regulation and are, therefore, conservative in that respect.
As the baby boomers retire, I think we'll see a gradual return to the center for liberal arts college education.
Not even teaching science.....I often shake my head at the kids that graduate with a degree in history of some other such thing. Nothing wrong with history...but how will you make a living short of teaching?
My experience this is true as well. I really don't think in Liberal Arts studies though you will ever get away from the majority being liberal. Take it from a design student. Interestingly enough, my political science and science teachers were all more conservative. I think in my college being in KY, there was a good mixture of thought. Anyways yeah, my hope is Santorum crashes, burns, and takes the current GOP with him so that a better more thoughtful one may spring back up by 2016.
I think it's important to distinguish between the university as an institution of indoctrination and certain professors as agents of indoctrination. College is, generally speaking, a good thing. It broadens your horizons and challenges your worldview. That's healthy.
Yet, be that as it may, it's pretty hard to disagree with demographics. Most of the tenured college professors currently active in the liberal arts were college students during the 60s, which is around the time college became the accepted path of most "good" kids. I think there is a (waning) generational bias that exists in universities today in certain fields of academia. The people teaching now are people who grew up in a generation that was very skewed toward the left. That's just a fact.
But this is certainly not true for all fields. From what I have seen, business students are overwhelmingly conservative. Students who take economics courses are much inclined to favor economic regulation and are, therefore, conservative in that respect.
As the baby boomers retire, I think we'll see a gradual return to the center for liberal arts college education.
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