Sandy Hooks "Know The Signs" PSA

[Brochacholomigo]

I remember there was this rumor that spread around in middle school that this special kid was gonna shoot up the school. I never gave it any stock whatsoever, but so many people made a huge deal out of it, to the point where the school had to issue a letter.

You have a point.

Young teenagers are semisentient little runts who have at least a decade to go before their thinky-thinky bits are completely adjusted to measuring risk. Why in God's name would we trust them with a self-reporting campaign over school shootings?

 

[Tigerace117]

You're not really free unless you can roll into an elementary school strapped with an AK after telling people your plans on Facebook.

Snitches get stitches.....or, apparently, a bullet.

:roll:

It's a strange world inside some people's heads.

 

[Tigerace117]

I am fully into discussing the topic, but it's the knee jerk bleeding heart liberals like yourself who refuse to admit that guns are not the problem in schools.

We used to bring guns to school when I was a kid and we never shot anyone.

People like yourself are too blind to see that today's society has millions of kids going into dark places and communicating with bad people when their parents are not around.

But of course, you will continue to blame the gun because it is the path of least resistance for you.

Uh....buddy, guns are a huge problem when they enter the schools. There is literally zero reason for any student to be packing a firearm to school. You growing up in the Dark Ages where you supposedly brought guns to school all the time is not relevant to today's issues. I don't know how long it's been since you were in high school, but I can tell you right now--- letting people bring guns into school is absolutely moronic, and reporting it is completely justified.

I get that you feel persecuted, but your persecution complex is less important than human lives.

 

[Lursa]

I’m saying that promoting a culture of fear will ruin more lives of innocent people than it will save from potential violence

It's promoting a culture of observation and openness. Knowing what to look for and knowing how and who to tell.

They could have easily prevented the TX church shooting and the one in CA where the guy went on a rampage after shooting his neighbor if the families would have discussed them with the authorities and if the authorities had followed up better.

 

[Lursa]

Yep......let's call the cops every time some bed wetting liberal see's a person with a gun.

That's not remotely the message in the video.

Recently, there have been many shooters who have been posting indications on social media and acting in a manner that concerned their families and friends.


We're talking about looking for patterns...which the authorities can do if notified.

I cc, I would be pissed as hell if I was ccing or ocing (which I dont do) and some idiot got spooked and called the cops. But I'd deal with it like an adult...there's no controlling the stupid in society but there is educating the ignorant and in that situation...you can indulge your ego and get all defensive or you can try to take the High Road and make gun owners look smart and responsible. And yeah...nobody says it will work...but IMO it's worth trying.

 

[Lursa]

Outside the video it covered much the same idea your does, the signs are always there and people either deny or ignore them until after the fact.

I think family, *especially parents,* are often in denial. They cant imagine that their loved one would ever do 'such a thing!'

I think parents need to be targeted when discussing the signs to look for.

And all domestic abuse victims...they may also not come forward because of fear.

 

[Critter7r]

I just hope and pray that we set our personal opinions and fears aside and do what is right when the circumstances call for it. It probably takes a lot of courage to speak up and a lot of wisdom to know when.

Which is why more often than not, either no one speaks up, or some kid is sent home for gnawing a Pop Tart into the shape of a gun, because few people have both of those things.

 

[Critter7r]

Adults, qualified adults, should be talking to the kids, observing the kids, paying attention to family situations, paying attention to changes in classroom behavior, etc.

An insufficient number of adults are willing to do these things for free. If we want to do these things in schools, we need to pony up the funding.

Remember when you were a kid and you couldn't get away with anything because all the neighborhood moms knew EVERYTHING that was happening? We don't have that anymore and we need to put something comparable back in place.

Actually, no. Parents where I grew up were not especially in tune with everything that was going on.

If you let self defense start at the holster on your hip you'll generally be too late. You need to have an idea of what's going on around you to make any response both reasonable and effective.

Agreed.

 

[Port & Starboard]

Uh....buddy, guns are a huge problem when they enter the schools. There is literally zero reason for any student to be packing a firearm to school. You growing up in the Dark Ages where you supposedly brought guns to school all the time is not relevant to today's issues. I don't know how long it's been since you were in high school, but I can tell you right now--- letting people bring guns into school is absolutely moronic, and reporting it is completely justified.

I get that you feel persecuted, but your persecution complex is less important than human lives.

What has changed from then to now?

People are the problem, not guns.

 

[Crovax]

It's not a culture of fear that is being promoted; it's a culture of offering help and hope to people in need of both.

Nobody is going to come for your guns.

Im not sure where that came from. I didnt say anything about guns or gun control. Seems like you are projecting a bit

 

[Crovax]

With today's social media, kids themselves are in the best position to see those who are threatening; they should be told it's okay to tell a parent that Bobbie is being mean to Billy, and Billy just posted that he found his father's gun and is going to kill Bobbie with it.

School teachers are in the best position to see troubled teens, and work with parents to get those teens counseling and evaluation to help them work on emotional issues that could eventually cause them to harm themselves or others.

Caring parents are in the best position to know when their own children are either always angry or withdrawn and depressed. What is needed, and unavailable to all too many parents, is immediate, affordable counseling assistance and mental health evaluation. The government doesn't provide it, insurance often doesn't cover it, and many parents of kids who have killed themselves or others have horrific stories of trying desperately to get their children help, only to be told it isn't available.

If this organization can get states, cities and towns, to do something, anything, to bring affordable counseling and mental health evaluation to their citizens, then a huge step forward in prevention of future tragedies will have been taken.

No its a big step towards persecuting people who are different. I have seen it first hand, it starts as good intentions and then goes off the rails because its never just as simple as "Billy just posted that he found his father's gun and is going to kill Bobbie with it"

 

[Tigerace117]

What has changed from then to now?

People are the problem, not guns.

Guns are a very big problem bud. Guns are the difference between someone being bruised and someone being dead.

 

[Brochacholomigo]

Which is why more often than not, either no one speaks up, or some kid is sent home for gnawing a Pop Tart into the shape of a gun, because few people have both of those things.

I would argue that most have neither.

 

[dobieg]

I can deal with a bunch of people with hurt feelings than another Sandy Hook, but then again I'm a decent human being.

Then you also support the Trump travel ban even though it might hurt some feelings as long as we prevent more terrorist acts?

 

[dobieg]

Uh....buddy, guns are a huge problem when they enter the schools. There is literally zero reason for any student to be packing a firearm to school. You growing up in the Dark Ages where you supposedly brought guns to school all the time is not relevant to today's issues. I don't know how long it's been since you were in high school, but I can tell you right now--- letting people bring guns into school is absolutely moronic, and reporting it is completely justified.

I get that you feel persecuted, but your persecution complex is less important than human lives.

I'll make a bold prediction and say you went to a city school because it once was considered stabdard fare to bring in your gun to school*rural) for show and tell or hunting/shooting after school let out. Many instances when teachers actually went hunting or shooting with their students after school.


Different worlds.

 

[CMPancake]

Then you also support the Trump travel ban even though it might hurt some feelings as long as we prevent more terrorist acts?

No. Not even close to being the same thing. Do try again.

 

[Chillfolks]

Guns are a very big problem bud. Guns are the difference between someone being bruised and someone being dead.

No it's back to people. I've know plenty of gun owners who don't resort to guns to settle differences.

 

[Tigerace117]

No it's back to people. I've know plenty of gun owners who don't resort to guns to settle differences.

And there's been plenty who have. The fact remains that guns in the hands of students in a school is not a good idea, and staying vigilant to try to stop further mass shootings is not a bad thing.

 

[Chillfolks]

And there's been plenty who have.

Correct there are people who are a problem not the object they use.

The fact remains that guns in the hands of students in a school is not a good idea

Unsupervised yes, but see no problems If schools offer shooting clubs.

and staying vigilant to try to stop further mass shootings is not a bad thing.

Agreed as long as vigilance isn't turned into a way to bully. A kid dressing different or being an outcast is the target of enough bullying to conform. It's hard to offer stigma free mental health services when people who are different usually get stigmatized as the ones needing mental health. Teens don't make the best choices about people.

 

[Tigerace117]

Correct there are people who are a problem not the object they use.
Unsupervised yes, but see no problems If schools offer shooting clubs.


Agreed as long as vigilance isn't turned into a way to bully. A kid dressing different or being an outcast is the target of enough bullying to conform. It's hard to offer stigma free mental health services when people who are different usually get stigmatized as the ones needing mental health. Teens don't make the best choices about people.

Without the object they used they never could have murdered as many people as easily as they did. The fact that you are far more concerned with an inanimate object than human life speaks volumes by the way.

That's a nonstarter for a wide variety of reasons, first and foremost because schools have neither the time nor inclination to bring lethal weapons and kids into close proximity. Not the time, certainly not the place

Teens don't make the best choices period, yet you see nothing wrong with them bringing lethal weapons to school.

:roll:

 

[Chillfolks]

Without the object they used they never could have murdered as many people as easily as they did. The fact that you are far more concerned with an inanimate object than human life speaks volumes by the way.

You're the one claiming guns are the problem when throughout out all time and all weapons it's people who are the trouble.

That's a nonstarter for a wide variety of reasons, first and foremost because schools have neither the time nor inclination to bring lethal weapons and kids into close proximity. Not the time, certainly not the place

Teens don't make the best choices period, yet you see nothing wrong with them bringing lethal weapons to school.

:roll:

I never said teens should bring weapons to school. Did you not understand what I said, or didn't care and read what you wanted to?

 

[Tigerace117]

I'll make a bold prediction and say you went to a city school because it once was considered stabdard fare to bring in your gun to school*rural) for show and tell or hunting/shooting after school let out. Many instances when teachers actually went hunting or shooting with their students after school.


Different worlds.

Gee, did the fact that it literally says "Chicago" on my user profile clue you in on that?

It being "once considered standard" does not actually disprove anything I said. You understand that....right?

 

[Tigerace117]

You're the one claiming guns are the problem when throughout out all time and all weapons it's people who are the trouble.


I never said teens should bring weapons to school. Did you not understand what I said, or didn't care and read what you wanted to?

People without guns have a much harder time killing people than people with guns.

"Supervision" is a nice idea in theory. In practice.....you still are presenting a very easy target for someone to obtain a weapon or hell, even just bring a weapon from home and steal ammunition from school.

 

[Chillfolks]

People without guns have a much harder time killing people than people with guns.

Yet other means of killing people still are more common than using a gun.

"Supervision" is a nice idea in theory. In practice.....you still are presenting a very easy target for someone to obtain a weapon or hell, even just bring a weapon from home and steal ammunition from school.

You feel better after that stretch. You've gone from accusing of wanting teens to bring weapons to school ti now saying that maybe possible someone could steal ammo from the school. Unless of course the ammo and weapons are stored off campus at the range that practice is at

 

[Tigerace117]

Yet other means of killing people still are more common than using a gun.



You feel better after that stretch. You've gone from accusing of wanting teens to bring weapons to school ti now saying that maybe possible someone could steal ammo from the school. Unless of course the ammo and weapons are stored off campus at the range that practice is at

Which doesn't change the fact that it is far easier and faster to kill either one person or multiple people with a gun than just about anything else readily avaible.

Gee buddy, if the ammo and weapons aren't at the school, then we are back to there being zero reason for anyone to be bringing a gun to school in the first place