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Same Sex Marraige Legal Nation Wide Supreme Court Decrees

Zinthaniel said:
Not just Kind of Legal

Not just sometimes legal

Not just legal in some states and left to the opinion of the majority in others

But legal nationwide. Period. Point. Blank.

Landmark: Supreme Court Rules Same-Sex Marriage Legal Nationwide - NBC News
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I suppose now we'll see if all of the predictions of polygamous marriages, marriages to animals, the end of the institution of marriage, and the wrath of God will come true.

I'm guessing that the world will keep spinning, and gay marriage will sooner or later be as accepted as integration.
 
Dittohead not! said:
I suppose now we'll see if all of the predictions of polygamous marriages, marriages to animals, the end of the institution of marriage, and the wrath of God will come true.

I'm guessing that the world will keep spinning, and gay marriage will sooner or later be as accepted as integration.
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lol. You know I never understood those predictions. Why not just look to, I don't know, Canada?

Most countries that beat us to the punch have been nothing but peaceful and ideal vacation spots. Netherlands did this 14 years ago.
 
Zinthaniel said:
lol. You know I never understood those predictions. Why not just look to, I don't know, Canada?

Most countries that beat us to the punch have been nothing but peaceful and ideal vacation spots. Netherlands did this 14 years ago.
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Yes, but whenever I make that sort of argument, I get, "But the US is unique. You can't compare her to other nations."
 
Dittohead not! said:
Yes, but whenever I make that sort of argument, I get, "But the US is unique. You can't compare her to other nations."
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As have I. Or if I made a whole thread about it ... crickets. They avoid reason and logic like it's the black plague.
 
It was only ever going to end up this way. I'm disappointed that it was 5-4, though. The dissents are complete manure. The stupid "definition of marriage" line, an appeal to tradition, and whining about judicial activism... all of this was nonsense years ago when bigots first brought them up, and the last is just hypocritical. Everyone loves an active judiciary when it's ruling in their favor.
 
And the US takes another tentative step into the 21st century.
 
I was going to say 'welcome to the 21st century' but BrewerBob kinda beat me to it.

I don't understand why people get so bent over SSM - what does it matter to anyone who another person marries (meaning a consenting adult human before anyone brings up bestiality or minors)? It does not harm anyone if two men or two women get married.
 
Zinthaniel said:
Not just Kind of Legal

Not just sometimes legal

Not just legal in some states and left to the opinion of the majority in others

But legal nationwide. Period. Point. Blank.

Landmark: Supreme Court Rules Same-Sex Marriage Legal Nationwide - NBC News
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Yes. They seem to have redefined the word, the meaning and the sociology of the thing to agree with the street interpretation of sex. But it has been shaping up for a while now. That does not make the travesty better, but it is surprising none the less and the can of worms it opens is an interesting one.
 
joG said:
Yes. They seem to have redefined the word, the meaning and the sociology of the thing to agree with the street interpretation of sex. But it has been shaping up for a while now. That does not make the travesty better, but it is surprising none the less and the can of worms it opens is an interesting one.
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Ah, yes, the "travesty" of two people you don't know getting married...which affects you how, exactly?
 
joG said:
Yes. They seem to have redefined the word, the meaning and the sociology of the thing to agree with the street interpretation of sex. But it has been shaping up for a while now. That does not make the travesty better, but it is surprising none the less and the can of worms it opens is an interesting one.
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No other country seems to be suffering from their decisions and again, Netherlands did this 14 years ago. We'll be fine. I promise.
 
Maybe our nation can get the hell over this and we can finally move on to actually fixing our economic issues, our education issues, our foreign policy issues, or environmental issues, and good lord...who knows what else.
 
Dittohead not! said:
I suppose now we'll see if all of the predictions of polygamous marriages, marriages to animals, the end of the institution of marriage, and the wrath of God will come true.

I'm guessing that the world will keep spinning, and gay marriage will sooner or later be as accepted as integration.
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As I said om other occasion, the significance is interesting and this decision opens a can of worms for as different things as Social Security, the Army or religious practice. Here in Germany polygamy is now allowed, if the persons married outside the country. The ensuing problems are fascinating, indeed. Alone the implications for inheritance laws is staggering.
 
Zinthaniel said:
No other country seems to be suffering from their decisions and again, Netherlands did this 14 years ago. We'll be fine. I promise.
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Oh, we are suffering badly from the libertarian development. Don't kid yourself. I was all for these things thirty years ago. 'Still am to an extent. But the fall out is pretty heavy and it is unclear, what a country like Germany or Holland will look like because of our incessant pursuit of modernity. It is only that most folks didn't study these things and therefore do not see the implications. They are not all bad, but there are existential problems involved too.
 
stonewall50 said:
Maybe our nation can get the hell over this and we can finally move on to actually fixing our economic issues, our education issues, our foreign policy issues, or environmental issues, and good lord...who knows what else.
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OMG! What an optimist you are!
 
Koros said:
Ah, yes, the "travesty" of two people you don't know getting married...which affects you how, exactly?
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If you do not know the problems, effects and consequences, you cannot really be interested beyond the tip of your nose. I do not think that you would be interested in anything I wrote. So it was good to talk about it with you.
 
joG said:
Oh, we are suffering badly from the libertarian development. Don't kid yourself. I was all for these things thirty years ago. 'Still am to an extent. But the fall out is pretty heavy and it is unclear, what a country like Germany or Holland will look like because of our incessant pursuit of modernity. It is only that most folks didn't study these things and therefore do not see the implications. They are not all bad, but there are existential problems involved too.
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Sure the future is a mystery. What ever problems arise, whatever they may be and I doubt they exist, those are bridges we can cross when we get there.
 
Dittohead not! said:
OMG! What an optimist you are!
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I can't be optimistic. This issue should never have existed. Honestly the Fed should never have been involved and a civil union contract should have existed from day one. Something that allowed EVERYONE could use. But since that didn't happen...maybe we can stop trying to decide elections and pander based on this topic.
 
joG said:
As I said om other occasion, the significance is interesting and this decision opens a can of worms for as different things as Social Security, the Army or religious practice. Here in Germany polygamy is now allowed, if the persons married outside the country. The ensuing problems are fascinating, indeed. Alone the implications for inheritance laws is staggering.
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And the implication for connecting laws that directly relate to more than two people becoming spouses is exactly what is most likely to prevent a similar SCOTUS decision on polygamy because that in itself is a reasonably related state interest.
 
tosca1 said:
Nothing surprising about that, really.

How Supreme Court rulings will stand up in the long run....is something to be seen, though. If laws can change along with the tide......anything is possible.
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The "tide" isn't likely to change back.
 
roguenuke said:
The "tide" isn't likely to change back.
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Maybe not. We don't know. I'm talking about the future. We don't know what ideology will grip the country 50 years from now, do we?

The ruling came 5-4.

In a blistering dissenting opinion, conservative Justice Antonin Scalia said the decision shows the court is a "threat to American democracy." The ruling "says that my ruler and the ruler of 320 million Americans coast-to-coast is a majority of the nine lawyers on the Supreme Court," Scalia added.

Supreme Court's landmark ruling legalizes gay marriage nationwide
 
tosca1 said:
Maybe not. We don't know. I'm talking about the future. We don't know what ideology will grip the country 50 years from now, do we?

The ruling came 5-4.

In a blistering dissenting opinion, conservative Justice Antonin Scalia said the decision shows the court is a "threat to American democracy." The ruling "says that my ruler and the ruler of 320 million Americans coast-to-coast is a majority of the nine lawyers on the Supreme Court," Scalia added.[/COLOR

Supreme Court's landmark ruling legalizes gay marriage nationwide
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I'm talking about the future as well, the future that is most likely, which can be determined mainly by looking at who supports same sex marriage the most, similar issues, and why people support same sex marriage (the real reasons, not why you believe they do).

I don't care what Scalia said. He's an idiot. And considering he said we were stepping away from democracy for a case that dealt with the very reason we are not a direct democracy and the founding fathers said a direct democracy was a bad idea, leading to us being a constitutional republic, it only proves his idiocy more.
 
roguenuke said:
I'm talking about the future as well, the future that is most likely, which can be determined mainly by looking at who supports same sex marriage the most, similar issues, and why people support same sex marriage (the real reasons, not why you believe they do).

I don't care what Scalia said. He's an idiot. And considering he said we were stepping away from democracy for a case that dealt with the very reason we are not a direct democracy and the founding fathers said a direct democracy was a bad idea, leading to us being a constitutional republic, it only proves his idiocy more.
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Suddenly.....numbers.....majority doesn't matter. :lol:
 
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