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Are the below questions the exact same questions to you?
1) Are you pro-life, or pro-choice?
2) Do you believe abortion should be outlawed, or remain legal?
I tend to think they are very different questions unless there's qualifying discussion and definitions beforehand.
Do you think if these questions were randomly polled to the same people (without the qualifying discussion) over the course of a few months, that the results might be contradictory?
Isn't it quite possible for a person to honestly answer those questions in a very contradictory manner?
For example, isn't it extremely possible for a person to to say: "I am pro-life, but I do believe abortion should remain a legal option."
Red:
Every single person I know well enough to have discussed abortion as a political or legal matter holds exactly that position. I am literally the only person I know whose position differs from that.
And, yes, they're different questions: the first is political the second is legal. If one thinks the law and politics are the same things, one doesn't understand jurisprudence, politics or both.
Is the first question political, or personal?
I'm responding to your question with a question because I won't answer the question as you've posed it.
Why must it, as your question implies, be one or the other?
-- False Equivalency
Are the below questions the exact same questions to you?
1) Are you pro-life, or pro-choice?
2) Do you believe abortion should be outlawed, or remain legal?
I tend to think they are very different questions unless there's qualifying discussion and definitions beforehand.
Do you think if these questions were randomly polled to the same people (without the qualifying discussion) over the course of a few months, that the results might be contradictory?
Isn't it quite possible for a person to honestly answer those questions in a very contradictory manner?
For example, isn't it extremely possible for a person to to say: "I am pro-life, but I do believe abortion should remain a legal option."
In your opinion, what's the difference between "personal" and "political"?
I see the "political" aspect being more aligned with the legal aspect.
You appear to see it as being more aligned with the personal aspect.
I can totally see many many people saying:
"I would never in a million years have an abortion (assuming I wasn't raped), but there is no way in hell I would ever try to prevent somebody else from having the option to abort their pregnancy."
Well given my honest answer to the first question is “No”, they must be.Isn't it quite possible for a person to honestly answer those questions in a very contradictory manner?
1. Pro-choice.
2. Abortion should remain legal in the first trimester.
Why have you repeated it?
Red:
I am literally the only person I know whose position differs from that.
Because the below from you is confusing.
Every single person I know well enough to have discussed abortion as a political or legal matter holds exactly [the position you noted]. I am literally the only person I know whose position differs from that.
Are the below questions the exact same questions to you?
1) Are you pro-life, or pro-choice?
2) Do you believe abortion should be outlawed, or remain legal?
Is the first question political, or personal?
...that's what 'choice' means.
Considering most who support choice, actually do chose life. :mrgreen:
Something often overlooked by many on the opposite side of the debate.
Saying "no" to abortion is a choice. I agree, many folks forget that.
Saying "no" to abortion is a choice. I agree, many folks forget that.
Not necessarily. Many are guided by a higher power.
The Christian God gives us all free will...to choose.
I cant speak for all the other 'higher powers' tho.
Yes.1) Are you pro-life, or pro-choice?
I believe abortion should be a safe and legal option available to all women.2) Do you believe abortion should be outlawed, or remain legal?
Are the below questions the exact same questions to you?
1) Are you pro-life, or pro-choice?
2) Do you believe abortion should be outlawed, or remain legal?
I tend to think they are very different questions unless there's qualifying discussion and definitions beforehand.
Do you think if these questions were randomly polled to the same people (without the qualifying discussion) over the course of a few months, that the results might be contradictory?
Isn't it quite possible for a person to honestly answer those questions in a very contradictory manner?
For example, isn't it extremely possible for a person to to say: "I am pro-life, but I do believe abortion should remain a legal option."
Moreover, women living under the most restrictive laws (i.e., where abortion is prohibited altogether or allowed only to save a woman’s life) have abortions at about the same rate as those living where the procedure is available without restriction as to reason (37 and 34 abortions per 1,000, respectively;
Let me just post this here: https://www.guttmacher.org/report/abortion-worldwide-2017
Re-read that and let it sink in.
Abortion rates in the MOST restrictive countries are about equal to abortion rates in the least restrictive countries.
Prohibitive laws don't change/stop abortion.
What does work is improving contraception, improving education, and making birth control easily available.
You stop abortion by preventing unwanted pregnancy from happening in the first place. Not by outlawing abortion.
Are the below questions the exact same questions to you?
1) Are you pro-life, or pro-choice?
2) Do you believe abortion should be outlawed, or remain legal?
I tend to think they are very different questions unless there's qualifying discussion and definitions beforehand.
Do you think if these questions were randomly polled to the same people (without the qualifying discussion) over the course of a few months, that the results might be contradictory?
Isn't it quite possible for a person to honestly answer those questions in a very contradictory manner?
For example, isn't it extremely possible for a person to to say: "I am pro-life, but I do believe abortion should remain a legal option."
Are the below questions the exact same questions to you?
1) Are you pro-life, or pro-choice?
2) Do you believe abortion should be outlawed, or remain legal?
I tend to think they are very different questions unless there's qualifying discussion and definitions beforehand.
Do you think if these questions were randomly polled to the same people (without the qualifying discussion) over the course of a few months, that the results might be contradictory?
Isn't it quite possible for a person to honestly answer those questions in a very contradictory manner?
For example, isn't it extremely possible for a person to to say: "I am pro-life, but I do believe abortion should remain a legal option."
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