S.C. to Colleges: No Recruiters=No Fed. $$

[zymurgy]

Federal should indeed take precedent in some issues, this is certainly one of them, as we all know the "ends don't justify the means" crowds are mostly observed on our college campuses. They will never admit the good that has come from our past conflicts, much less our spending on the military, and now even the opportunity to bring their message. I happen to think college aged students are more then intelligent enough to make their own decisions, as it pertains to enlistment.

This argument is silly, and only our anarchist's continue it's rhetoric!

The merits of this court case was based on the fact that the school is taking money from the federal goverment so they could not discriminate against certain "employers".

Don't you see how that decision is ripe for misinterpetation in the future or abuse in the future?

The same political party that is crying about legislating from the bench cheers today.

 

[Navy Pride]

Re: Supreme Court Rules Against Liberals Who Run America's Colleges

And I suppose you claim to "support the troops"

Of course he does........:roll:

 

[Navy Pride]

The merits of this court case was based on the fact that the school is taking money from the federal goverment so they could not discriminate against certain "employers".

Don't you see how that decision is ripe for misinterpetation in the future or abuse in the future?

The same political party that is crying about legislating from the bench cheers today.

Yeah 8-0 with 5 liberals voting with the Conservatives..........

 

[Deegan]

The merits of this court case was based on the fact that the school is taking money from the federal goverment so they could not discriminate against certain "employers".

Don't you see how that decision is ripe for misinterpetation in the future or abuse in the future?

The same political party that is crying about legislating from the bench cheers today.

Sure I do, if you're one of these, "we are on our way to-wards a dictatorship" types, but I know that will not happen. I won't go in to the many safeguards we have in place, as they speak for themselves. I just think our military is an honorable establishment, and would certainly frown on any insistence that we force anyone to not do as they wish, that is why it's an "all volunteer military" and should remain as so. Still, if we ever need to call our country to arms, we should never fool ourselves, that is always a possibility, but very unlikely.

 

[zymurgy]

Re: Supreme Court Rules Against Liberals Who Run America's Colleges

I get it now...........Your right and everyone else is wrong......

Yeah I do get a little angry when someone insinuates the military are nothing but killers.......

You are very young..You grow wiser with age and responsibility......

You might be right. I'm a 35 year old father. My views aren't set in stone. Can you honestly say the same?

I work pretty hard. I save as much as I can. I wish to live the american dream and pay off my house, send my kids to school and live comfortably into retirement.

That is all in jeopardy because we have ignorant clowns that like to beat their chest and declare us the lone power in the world. We borrow more and more money to play this role. That much I do know. I also know that as long as we are in debt, I will never own my house and am at the mercy of my goverment to afford things such as college for kids and retirement when I get old. They keep printing more and more of that money making the amount I hold worth less and less.

I know how the fiat money supply works all to well. The military is protecting that phony money, not my freedom.

You might feel phony money and freedom are one in the same. I don't.

 

[zymurgy]

Yeah 8-0 with 5 liberals voting with the Conservatives..........

republicans are not conservative anymore. you are a flaming liberal.

NCLB.

"Privated SS - controlled by the goverment"

Steel Tariffs

Tax Refunds for people that paid $0 in taxes.

All sponsored by your president - the ultra-liberal.

So give the liberal name calling a rest. you look like a retard to me when you do it.

 

[Navy Pride]

republicans are not conservative anymore. you are a flaming liberal.

NCLB.

"Privated SS - controlled by the goverment"

Steel Tariffs

Tax Refunds for people that paid $0 in taxes.

All sponsored by your president - the ultra-liberal.

So give the liberal name calling a rest. you look like a retard to me when you do it.

When did I say this president was a Fiscal Conservative?????

 

[Kelzie]

Sure I do, if you're one of these, "we are on our way to-wards a dictatorship" types, but I know that will not happen. I won't go in to the many safeguards we have in place, as they speak for themselves. I just think our military is an honorable establishment, and would certainly frown on any insistence that we force anyone to not do as they wish, that is why it's an "all volunteer military" and should remain as so. Still, if we ever need to call our country to arms, we should never fool ourselves, that is always a possibility, but very unlikely.

Call me crazy...but I think a pretty easy way to solve this problem would be for the military to allow gays to serve. :shock: I know, seems too simple doesn't it? Plenty of other militaries around the world allow it and they have yet to descend into anarchy. I think it was very noble of the law schools to stand up to discrimination, and it is too bad they lost.

 

[Navy Pride]

Bottom line there is a saimple solution for these liberal universities that don't want military recruiters on their campuses.............All they have to do is turn down the millions in federal funding they receive..........

Yeah, right...........:roll:

 

[KidRocks]

So you would not kill to defend your family huh?

So you would kill women and children?

 

[Deegan]

Call me crazy...but I think a pretty easy way to solve this problem would be for the military to allow gays to serve. :shock: I know, seems too simple doesn't it? Plenty of other militaries around the world allow it and they have yet to descend into anarchy. I think it was very noble of the law schools to stand up to discrimination, and it is too bad they lost.

They can serve, but they just can't let their preference be known, what on earth is wrong with that? How do you think the other straight men would take it, having a gay man watching them in the shower? Do you think this would put these men in a dangerous situation, I do, I know some of these guys are very homophobic? You have obviously not asked yourself these important questions, and either have these "noble men and women" you refer to. So it's far from "simple" miss, j/k!:lol:

 

[Navy Pride]

So you would kill women and children?

Huh????

 

[Kelzie]

They can serve, but they just can't let their preference be known, what on earth is wrong with that? How do you think the other straight men would take it, having a gay man watching them in the shower? Do you think this would put these men in a dangerous situation, I do, I know some of these guys are very homophobic? You have obviously not asked yourself these important questions, and either have these "noble men and women" you refer to. So it's far from "simple" miss, j/k!:lol:

It is simple. Other countries do it. The UK comes to mind. Like I said, their military is still intact. Obviously it is not that big of a problem. And bigotry on the part of our men and women in uniform is not the problem of the homosexual community and is not something that should be condoned or accepted by the military. Do you think anyone would have a problem if the white soldiers didn't want to serve with the black? And the military accepted it?

Just FYI, allowing them to serve if they don't make their preferences known is still discrimination. Heteros are allowed to talk about their SOs. This is akin to allowing all religions to serve, but jews aren't allowed to talk about their religion. It's descrimination.

 

[KidRocks]

Huh????

Yes, in defense of your "home", your country, would you would kill women and children?

 

[Stinger]

It is simple. Other countries do it. The UK comes to mind. Like I said, their military is still intact. Obviously it is not that big of a problem.

It is just due to the nature of living arraignments/requirements in the military. OK let gays serve but they barrack with women.

And bigotry on the part of our men and women in uniform is not the problem

It's not bigotry.

Do you think anyone would have a problem if the white soldiers didn't want to serve with the black? And the military accepted it?

Apples and oranges.

This is akin to allowing all religions to serve, but jews aren't allowed to talk about their religion. It's descrimination.

They are not even comparable.

 

[Deegan]

It is simple. Other countries do it. The UK comes to mind. Like I said, their military is still intact. Obviously it is not that big of a problem. And bigotry on the part of our men and women in uniform is not the problem of the homosexual community and is not something that should be condoned or accepted by the military. Do you think anyone would have a problem if the white soldiers didn't want to serve with the black? And the military accepted it?

Just FYI, allowing them to serve if they don't make their preferences known is still discrimination. Heteros are allowed to talk about their SOs. This is akin to allowing all religions to serve, but jews aren't allowed to talk about their religion. It's descrimination.

I'm not going to go in to this with you, as you obviously can't change hundreds of years of doing it one way, and expect it to work perfectly. This is a sensible alternative, and it's not perfect, but it does not exclude those who want to serve, this is the important thing. You ask about the black soldiers, and that is just my point, that was once an issue that needed attention, and it was still a problem long after civil rights were acknowledged. We did finally get past that, and we will get past this as well, but in good time, and in an appropriate way, not just when someone demands it be changed. I would love to hear about these other militaries you speak of, and I'm certainly willing to examine how they have dealt with it, and what the consequences were, or were not.

 

[Navy Pride]

Call me crazy...but I think a pretty easy way to solve this problem would be for the military to allow gays to serve. :shock: I know, seems too simple doesn't it? Plenty of other militaries around the world allow it and they have yet to descend into anarchy. I think it was very noble of the law schools to stand up to discrimination, and it is too bad they lost.

It is pretty obvious by your opinion that you have never served in the military or lived aboard a navy ship in a berthing compartment with 100 guys in it that is about as big as your living room........

You might have a different opinion if you had........

 

[zymurgy]

When did I say this president was a Fiscal Conservative?????

Technically you painted the judges as conservative, which I largely disagreed with.

A conservative court would not find the constitutionality of any of the things I outlined except Steel Tariffs. A conservative court would not remain status quo on the current interpetation of the Commerce Clause and would recognize the error in this centuries intrepretation of the so caled "Seperation of church and state".

Its all just degrees of liberal policy.

What I find annoying though, is how quickly you labelled me for not celebrating this decision.

Question. What prevents pornographers from using this same decision to obtain equal access as well?

The too of us have some differences in political thought but I woulkd guess we are closer in views then you realize. I simply feel the spirit in which this decision was made will be perverted at some point in the future.

 

[Gibberish]

This is akin to allowing all religions to serve, but jews aren't allowed to talk about their religion. It's descrimination.

They are not even comparable.

How are they not comparable? They are both choices made by the individual.

 

[Navy Pride]

Technically you painted the judges as conservative, which I largely disagreed with.

A conservative court would not find the constitutionality of any of the things I outlined except Steel Tariffs. A conservative court would not remain status quo on the current interpetation of the Commerce Clause and would recognize the error in this centuries intrepretation of the so caled "Seperation of church and state".

Its all just degrees of liberal policy.

What I find annoying though, is how quickly you labelled me for not celebrating this decision.

Question. What prevents pornographers from using this same decision to obtain equal access as well?

The too of us have some differences in political thought but I woulkd guess we are closer in views then you realize. I simply feel the spirit in which this decision was made will be perverted at some point in the future.

And yousaid President Bush is a conservative........I also said that with 8 justices voting only Roberts, Thomas, Scalia, and Alito are conservative.....

 

[Gibberish]

It is pretty obvious by your opinion that you have never served in the military or lived aboard a navy ship in a berthing compartment with 100 guys in it that is about as big as your living room........

You might have a different opinion if you had........

So because these men are so vain to think every homosexual man wants them sexually these gay-soldiers must hide their preference and possibly at times lie when their peers engage in sexual talks.

In this case it seems the gay-soldiers are the most patriotic of all. They are so devoted to their country that they are willing to shelter and compress their livelihood just to serve their country.

 

[Willoughby]

How do you think the other straight men would take it, having a gay man watching them in the shower? Do you think this would put these men in a dangerous situation, I do, I know some of these guys are very homophobic?

well then kick these homophobic idiots out of the army

It is just due to the nature of living arraignments/requirements in the military. OK let gays serve but they barrack with women

segregation like that would be very counter-productive

How are they not comparable? They are both choices made by the individual.

homosexuality is not a choice

 

[Navy Pride]

So because these men are so vain to think every homosexual man wants them sexually these gay-soldiers must hide their preference and possibly at times lie when their peers engage in sexual talks.

In this case it seems the gay-soldiers are the most patriotic of all. They are so devoted to their country that they are willing to shelter and compress their livelihood just to serve their country.

I personally think that any person who signs up to serve their country are equally patriotic.......

Having served on 6 Navy ships I have had a lot of experience with gay men hitting on straight men while the ship was underway....They were all given BCDs......You might find it surprising that I don't even blame them.........I think you can equate a gay man living in a bething compartment, undressing, showering, etc with a straight man living in a berthing compartment with 100 women undressing, showering etc...........I know it would be very hard for me to resist the temptation to act especially after being out at sea for months at a time........

The only way gays could possibly serve openly in the Navy is to give them there own ship and I don't see that happening..

This whole deal is about political correctness run amuck and using the military as a social experiment...........

 

[Willoughby]

The only way gays could possibly serve openly in the Navy is to give them there own ship and I don't see that happening..

This whole deal is about political correctness run amuck and using the military as a social experiment...........

thats crap. what about other countries where gays are allowed freely in the military?

btw why is john kerry not good enough to carry other veterans jockstraps?

 

[Navy Pride]

well then kick these homophobic idiots out of the army



segregation like that would be very counter-productive



homosexuality is not a choice

1. It is pretty obvious you have not served in the U.S. Military.....

2. It probably would not work

3. That is your opinion..........