Ryan says he won't do public town halls citing concerns over possible protests

[cpwill]

Ryan says he won't do public town halls citing concerns over possible protests | TheHill.

With Scalise still in the hospital, and many in #TheResistance insistent on acting like angry, violent children, I can understand this, but it's not a good look.

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[OpportunityCost]

Why are GOP politicians chicken**** chickenhawks on holding town halls which DEMs held during 2009 and 2010 when GOPukes and teatTurds planned disruptions.

Why are GOP traitorous DC politicians enabling Putin and the rest of the world's murdering dicktators ?

Why cant you have a discussion like a reasonable human being?

 

[JANFU]

With Scalise still in the hospital, and many in #TheResistance insistent on acting like angry, violent children, I can understand this, but it's not a good look.

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They have a duty to meet the people- if they are not up to it, then resign

 

[Linc]

Why cant you have a discussion like a reasonable human being?

Who are you to pass judgement on any poster as a reasonable human being?

Now back to rhetorically attacking the messenger with you since you can't debate the message .

 

[Linc]

They have a duty to meet the people- if they are not up to it, then resign

GOPoliticians are afraid of what they did to DEMs at town halls over health care in 2009 and 2010 .

 

[cpwill]

They have a duty to meet the people- if they are not up to it, then resign

:raises eyebrow:

No, it's just smart politics to do so. Their duty is to protect and defend the Constitution.

“I, (name of Member), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God"

 

[jdog21]

Ryan says he won't do public town halls citing concerns over possible protests | TheHill


Easy enough, check their residence.
Paul are ya afraid of the repercussions as many Repubs are over the HC Bill.
Perhaps they should name a groundhog after Paul.
Republicans in hiding, from their own constituents.

Im surprised no one brought up the fact that you cant check thei residence, we have a no ID polocy in this country. So its right to assume the people in the town hall dont live there and are only their to cause trouble or worse try and hurt him,

 

[Moderate Right]

Now that we can have a reasonable discussion, I would prefer to see that. Lastly why would they not buy, are prices affordable?

Man you really are uninformed. Other of your fellow lefties have already acknowledged that indeed, 15 million people would only be losing their insurance because they would be choosing not to buy it. Don't you even believe them? At least they accept that but make the argument that Obamacare only works if you force these 15 million people to buy insurance they don't want. The CBO, in addition to saying that, has also said that the Republican plans would be less expensive than Obamacare so if Obamacare is "affordable" then the Republican plan is even more affordable.

Now you could make the argument that these 15 million people would deem the Republican plan unaffordable and therefore, without the mandate, they would choose not to by health insurance but then that means that Obamacare would even be more unaffordable with the only difference being that Obamacare would force them to buy the insurance anyway or pay the penalty. It is really hard debating with someone who really doesn't know the facts of the very CBO report they wish to present as evidence for their side. I don't have much patience for the uninformed. And, you did not follow through with our agreement because you did not say that you would back the Republican plans if I could prove to you that the 15 million who would "lose" their insurance would only lose it due to choosing not to buy it. I would highly suggest that you actually read and understand the CBO report before making a deal that you really don't want to follow through on.

 

[chuckiechan]

Ryan says he won't do public town halls citing concerns over possible protests | TheHill


Easy enough, check their residence.
Paul are ya afraid of the repercussions as many Repubs are over the HC Bill.
Perhaps they should name a groundhog after Paul.
Republicans in hiding, from their own constituents.

Why subject yourself to a roomful of hired agitators that are only there to pepper you with gotcha questions?

 

[Greenbeard]

Now you could make the argument that these 15 million people would deem the Republican plan unaffordable and therefore, without the mandate, they would choose not to by health insurance but then that means that Obamacare would even be more unaffordable with the only difference being that Obamacare would force them to buy the insurance anyway or pay the penalty.

Could make the argument? That's how the GOP's plan works. Per the CBO, 20 odd million get thrown off their coverage because insurers are allowed to jack up their premiums and out-of-pocket spending (relative to current law, which is the ACA). Sorry, they "choose" to be unable to afford coverage that they can currently afford.

Community-rated premiums would rise over time, and people who are less healthy (including those with preexisting or newly acquired medical conditions) would ultimately be unable to purchase comprehensive nongroup health insurance at premiums comparable to those under current law, if they could purchase it at all—despite the additional funding that would be available under H.R. 1628 to help reduce premiums. As a result, the nongroup markets in those states would become unstable for people with higher-than-average expected health care costs. That instability would cause some people who would have been insured in the nongroup market under current law to be uninsured.

Over time, it would become more difficult for less healthy people (including people with preexisting medical conditions) in those states to purchase insurance because their premiums would continue to increase rapidly.

People living in states modifying the EHBs who used services or benefits no longer included in the EHBs would experience substantial increases in out-of-pocket spending on health care or would choose to forgo the services.

Although the agencies expect that the legislation would increase the number of uninsured broadly, the increase would be disproportionately larger among older people with lower income—particularly people between 50 and 64 years old with income of less than 200 percent of the federal poverty level . . . For older people with lower income, net premiums would be much larger than under current law, on average

However, the agencies estimate that about one-sixth of the population resides in areas in which the nongroup market would start to become unstable beginning in 2020. That instability would result from market responses to decisions by some states to waive two provisions of federal law, as would be permitted under H.R. 1628.

I don't know what rosy summary of the CBO reports you read, but in reality they describe a calamity for tens of millions of people.

 

[Moderate Right]

They have a duty to meet the people- if they are not up to it, then resign

They have no duty to be used for political purposes by the loony resistance who didn't vote for them in the first place. I would be open to town halls being conducted where the "constituents" are people verified to have voted for the person conducting the town hall. If any of them want to heir grievances then that is totally acceptable.

 

[Moderate Right]

Who are you to pass judgement on any poster as a reasonable human being?

Now back to rhetorically attacking the messenger with you since you can't debate the message .

Describes you guys perfectly.

 

[Moderate Right]

GOPoliticians are afraid of what they did to DEMs at town halls over health care in 2009 and 2010 .

In other words, your admission that it is only the loony Democratic resistance who want to infiltrate town halls only for the sole purpose of making the news for political gain. Now we are getting somewhere.

 

[Moderate Right]

Could make the argument? That's how the GOP's plan works. Per the CBO, 20 odd million get thrown off their coverage because insurers are allowed to jack up their premiums and out-of-pocket spending (relative to current law, which is the ACA). Sorry, they "choose" to be unable to afford coverage that they can currently afford.







I don't know what rosy summary of the CBO reports you read, but in reality they describe a calamity for tens of millions of people.

The Republican plan's premiums would be cheaper than Obamacare's premiums and the CBO clearly says that 15 million out of these "tens of millions" would choose not to buy insurance because the mandate would no longer exist. By the way you are being very dishonest in saying "tens of millions" when the total figure is only 22 million, with 15 million not actually "losing" their insurance.

 

[bubbabgone]

ryan says he won't do public town halls citing concerns over possible protests | thehill


easy enough, check their residence.
paul are ya afraid of the repercussions as many repubs are over the hc bill.
Perhaps they should name a groundhog after paul.
Republicans in hiding, from their own constituents.

Absolutely right ... check their residence.
Perhaps it was a tongue-in-cheek suggestion so would you actually support such a thing?
How about having security bounce disrupters?
The opposition from the district would have an opportunity to attend but they'd have to be civilized.

Pretty good idea all around, right?

 

[Greenbeard]

The Republican plan's premiums would be cheaper than Obamacare's premiums

No, they wouldn't. Premiums for equivalent coverage go up (by over 10%), not down under the GOP legislation. They look lower for those lucky enough to remain insured because those who actually need health services are deliberately priced out of the pool and plan designs get skimpier (higher deductibles and out-of-pocket spending).

By the way you are being very dishonest in saying "tens of millions" when the total figure is only 22 million, with 15 million not actually "losing" their insurance.

The pain of the GOP's bill will be felt by more than just those who are directly thrown off their insurance by it.

 

[chuckiechan]

Could make the argument? That's how the GOP's plan works. Per the CBO, 20 odd million get thrown off their coverage because insurers are allowed to jack up their premiums and out-of-pocket spending (relative to current law, which is the ACA). Sorry, they "choose" to be unable to afford coverage that they can currently afford.







I don't know what rosy summary of the CBO reports you read, but in reality they describe a calamity for tens of millions of people.

This whole scheme was "to insure the uninsured". Thanks obama!

 

[Moderate Right]

No, they wouldn't. Premiums for equivalent coverage go up (by over 10%), not down under the GOP legislation. They look lower for those lucky enough to remain insured because those who actually need health services are deliberately priced out of the pool and plan designs get skimpier (higher deductibles and out-of-pocket spending).

The pain of the GOP's bill will be felt by more than just those who are directly thrown off their insurance by it.

But Obamacare's premiums go up by MORE than 10%.

 

[prometeus]

No, it's just smart politics to do so. Their duty is to protect and defend the Constitution.

Right, that is why they are "representatives" of the people. How do you come up with this retarded crap? Try reading a book and not a coloring one.

 

[Greenbeard]

But Obamacare's premiums go up by MORE than 10%.

No, this is relative to current law (i.e., the ACA). That's how all scoring works.

 

[JANFU]

:raises eyebrow:

No, it's just smart politics to do so. Their duty is to protect and defend the Constitution.

Hiding from those that elected you s not smart.

 

[cpwill]

Hiding from those that elected you s not smart.

Ryan has, at least as of 2016, way above 50% approval in his district.

:shrug: my instinct is to agree with you. But we'll see how much damage he actually takes.

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[JANFU]

Man you really are uninformed. Other of your fellow lefties have already acknowledged that indeed, 15 million people would only be losing their insurance because they would be choosing not to buy it. Don't you even believe them? At least they accept that but make the argument that Obamacare only works if you force these 15 million people to buy insurance they don't want. The CBO, in addition to saying that, has also said that the Republican plans would be less expensive than Obamacare so if Obamacare is "affordable" then the Republican plan is even more affordable.

Now you could make the argument that these 15 million people would deem the Republican plan unaffordable and therefore, without the mandate, they would choose not to by health insurance but then that means that Obamacare would even be more unaffordable with the only difference being that Obamacare would force them to buy the insurance anyway or pay the penalty. It is really hard debating with someone who really doesn't know the facts of the very CBO report they wish to present as evidence for their side. I don't have much patience for the uninformed. And, you did not follow through with our agreement because you did not say that you would back the Republican plans if I could prove to you that the 15 million who would "lose" their insurance would only lose it due to choosing not to buy it. I would highly suggest that you actually read and understand the CBO report before making a deal that you really don't want to follow through on.

Then you should have no issue linking and posting that information. After all you do state you are well informed on this.
So post it Son and shame me badly.

 

[JANFU]

Why subject yourself to a roomful of hired agitators that are only there to pepper you with gotcha questions?

So you assume that all are not from his district?

 

[Unitedwestand13]

From what I recall, his district is heavily Republican. If he did lose, that may/would/could represent a drastic shift in voter anger with Republicans and impact other districts

It all depends on the candidate, the campaign, and current state of political affairs. Paul ryan may have all the monied interests in his corner but if put on a stage standing alongside randy Bryce, the people can judge which man better represents the interests of that district. I personally think that any congressman who refuses to hold town halls is dismissing the opinion of the people in his district.

If randy Bryce were smart he would hold his own town halls in the place's ryan originally had intended to hold town halls.