Ryan says he won't do public town halls citing concerns over possible protests

[Moderate Right]

The CBO said the republican health care bill would create approximately 23 to 22 million people would go uninsured. I believe you were pointing out in another thread that 15 million of those 22-23 million were leaving insurance plans that the mandate had forced upon them. If that is somehow a good thing, I fail to see how it vindicates the republicans healthcare bill from liberal criticism.

Even if one points out that there are15 million people that were forced to buy healthcare plans againist their will, that means there are approximately 7-8 million people who bought insurance willingly and would be forced out of their plans because of the republican health care bill. That is 7-8 million who had insurance thanks to the affordable care act who would lose it when the republicans pass their repeal bill.

7-8 million people are losing their health insurance in exchange for what? For what?

Now we're getting somewhere. I won't debate with partisan ignoramuses who only want to spew the liberal propaganda party line that 22 million people will be losing their insurance when, in fact, only 7-8 million will actually be losing it and I won't debate with those who are so out of touch with the facts that they want me to provide the proof that those 15 million will not actually be losing their health insurance because they will be choosing not to have any. As I said, if they are going to spout the CBO as proof then they should know what the CBO actually says. It doesn't take rocket science to read the damn thing but I have no patience for those who only want to quote MSNBC talking points.

 

[Unitedwestand13]

Now we're getting somewhere. I won't debate with partisan ignoramuses who only want to spew the liberal propaganda party line that 22 million people will be losing their insurance when, in fact, only 7-8 million will actually be losing it and I won't debate with those who are so out of touch with the facts that they want me to provide the proof that those 15 million will not actually be losing their health insurance because they will be choosing not to have any. As I said, if they are going to spout the CBO as proof then they should know what the CBO actually says. It doesn't take rocket science to read the damn thing but I have no patience for those who only want to quote MSNBC talking points.

Back to the issue of the 7-8 million people who would be affected?

 

[Top Cat]

I support the GOP not having public Townhalls. Now that liberals are increasingly working with terrorists you never know when one will go on a murderous rampage.

Big tough GOP leaders afraid of facing the music in front of a bunch of snowflakes.

******s.

 

[Moderate Right]

Back to the issue of the 7-8 million people who would be affected?

From what I understand those would mostly be due to Medicaid expansion losses. I would be open to not cutting Medicaid and even expanding it to the states who do not currently have it, under the condition of making the program solvent into the far future in a bipartisan way with neither side saying it has to be their way or the highway. I'm not unreasonable, except to the people who only want to discuss things from a purely partisan standpoint. Then I say, "screw em".

 

[Nickyjo]

Look up jihad... Better still, read the article... It doesn't always mean violence... When liberal leaders speak fondly of the days when demonstrators were carried out on stretchers, then you can post such nonsense.

 

[reinoe]

Big tough GOP leaders afraid of facing the music in front of a bunch of snowflakes.

******s.

Liberal leader has close ties to Hamas.

 

[reinoe]

Look up jihad... Better still, read the article... It doesn't always mean violence... When liberal leaders speak fondly of the days when demonstrators were carried out on stretchers, then you can post such nonsense.

Yep. Here come more apologists who defend Sarsours call to put Islam before the Constitution.

 

[Linc]

Ryan is being challenged by Randy Bryce, a local union steel worker that is politically active and is not only a army veteran but has also beat testicular cancer.

If anyone has the balls to win againist Paul ryan, its Randy Bryce.

Bryce has to win his primary against at least 2 other candidates so far; Ryan has one primary opponent at this time; Bryce has raised $430,000 so far in small donations;

Midterms aren't kind to DEMs; it took GOPs two shots at Speaker Foley in 1992 and then the midterm wave of 1994 before they ousted a Speaker for only the 2nd time ever;

trump's approval in Wisconsin is 41-51 in a late June poll by Marquette; Ryan could be taken down in the POTUS year of 2020; DEMs have to get close before they can win; as we've seen 4 times this year;

There are 60-80 seats well within the R + 8 rating of Georgia-6; debate rages on daily KOS between purity progressives and moderate blue dogs and all DEMs in between;

national DEM leadership is drafting veterans with the help of the liberal Vote Vets; Jason Kander losing his Missouri Senate race last year was a huge disappointment ;

 

[Linc]

You may have missed the part where Hodgekinson attempted to murder a group of GOP congress members. Or maybe you think they deserved to be murdered?

Who among us has stated that GOP congressmen deserved to be murdered? What kind of party would try to link the Scalise shooting with a DEM candidate?

One shooter represents all democrats and liberals. Therefore all democrats and liberals are terrorists .

 

[Unitedwestand13]

Bryce has to win his primary against at least 2 other candidates so far; Ryan has one primary opponent at this time; Bryce has raised $430,000 so far in small donations;

Midterms aren't kind to DEMs; it took GOPs two shots at Speaker Foley in 1992 and then the midterm wave of 1994 before they ousted a Speaker for only the 2nd time ever;

trump's approval in Wisconsin is 41-51 in a late June poll by Marquette; Ryan could be taken down in the POTUS year of 2020; DEMs have to get close before they can win; as we've seen 4 times this year;

There are 60-80 seats well within the R + 8 rating of Georgia-6; debate rages on daily KOS between purity progressives and moderate blue dogs and all DEMs in between;

national DEM leadership is drafting veterans with the help of the liberal Vote Vets; Jason Kander losing his Missouri Senate race last year was a huge disappointment ;

But Randy Bryce does offer the perfect contrast to the living wax statue that is Paul ryan.

 

[Linc]

I seriously doubt people among their family, friends, and neighbors would behave as those people behave.

Yet your party had no problem with the planned disruptive behavior of DEM town halls by teatTurds in 2009 and 2010 .

 

[reinoe]

Who among us has stated that GOP congressmen deserved to be murdered?

I'm just asking a question.

One shooter represents all democrats and liberals.

Don't forget all the likes he got and the Facebook group dedicated to his support (removed by the FBI). So it's not just one person, but hundreds of thousands of liberals.

 

[Linc]

But Randy Bryce does offer the perfect contrast to the living wax statue that is Paul ryan.

Any Democrat that underestimates the sleaze that the GOP smear machine can generate wasn't watching the Georgia-6 election and is a stupid fool more willing to cowardly criticize democrats than stand up to the real electoral enemy .

 

[Linc]

I'm just asking a question.
Don't forget all the likes he got and the Facebook group dedicated to his support (removed by the FBI). So it's not just one person, but hundreds of thousands of liberals.

No yer not and no he doesn't .

 

[Unitedwestand13]

Any Democrat that underestimates the sleaze that the GOP smear machine can generate wasn't watching the Georgia-6 election and is a stupid fool more willing to cowardly criticize democrats than stand up to the real electoral enemy .

Sheesh I am trying to be optimistic and believe that Bryce has a fighting chance.

 

[notquiteright]

I support the GOP not having public Townhalls. Now that liberals are increasingly working with terrorists you never know when one will go on a murderous rampage.

Someone needs to get a grip and stop reading the whiney right tweets and blogs... :roll:

Ryan doesn't want a bunch of protest footage available to be used against him in the next election. The astroturf 'umbrage' against the ACA townhalls were quite effective and Ryan doesn't want that turn about if he can help it.

Townhalls are much better secured than public appearances (Gifford) or baseball games. Time our politicians stood up and not hid in the shadows- kinda like how the GOP senate hid while churning out that fail on first contact with the public 'healthcare' bilge... eace

 

[reinoe]

No yer not and no he doesn't .

It's public record that Facebook removed several pages that showed support for Hodgkinson's assassination attempt. Stick your head in the sand all you want.

 

[notquiteright]

I'm just asking a question. Don't forget all the likes he got and the Facebook group dedicated to his support (removed by the FBI). So it's not just one person, but hundreds of thousands of liberals.

Sorta like all those 'patriots' facebooking all manner of garbage during the Obama two terms or the pizza child slave ring that got so many likes, had the Flynn jr pushing it while an armed nutjob threatened workers, took at least one shot and the owner and workers got inundated with death threats....

So it's not just one armed nutjob, it's thousands of rabid right ranters... eace

 

[Linc]

Sheesh I am trying to be optimistic and believe that Bryce has a fighting chance.

Far more important races in Wisconsin next year are reflecting Sen. Baldwin, defeaing Gov. Walker and biting into the state legislativebadvantage GOPs have before the 2021 remaps;

Bryce has to win his primary first; Bryce has to overcome 35 points 2nd; 13 million last time 3rd; a gerrymandered map 4th; the full brunt of GOP dark money 5th; good on him for diverting GOP money and attention;

MSNBC has stepped up to get his video out and interview Bryce; there are countless other DEMs that need that help also; GOPs and trump are disarming liberal media and purging voter lists as we speak ;

 

[Linc]

It's public record that Facebook removed several pages that showed support for Hodgkinson's assassination attempt. Stick your head in the sand all you want.

Why would you go to the personal insult of telling a poster to 'stick your head in the sand all you want' reinoe ?

 

[Linc]

I support the GOP not having public Townhalls. Now that liberals are increasingly working with terrorists you never know when one will go on a murderous rampage.

Why are GOP politicians chicken**** chickenhawks on holding town halls which DEMs held during 2009 and 2010 when GOPukes and teatTurds planned disruptions.

Why are GOP traitorous DC politicians enabling Putin and the rest of the world's murdering dicktators ?

 

[Linc]

We've already seen a typical liberal try to assassinate a large number of GOP politicians. There are no right-wing analogs to anything you're talking about.

Mao
Stalin
Castro
Guevara

If you're worried about Authoritarianism then look to your leftist pals.

You forgot Mussolini, Franco and hitler--they belong to the white nationalist Neo-Nazi Bannonite alt-right/reich

 

[reinoe]

hitler

GODWIN!!!

You lose all arguments. Thanks for playing.

 

[JANFU]

Let's try a different approach. If I can provide proof to you that the CBO report says that in the first year of the Republican plan 15 million people will "lose" their insurance because they will choose not to buy it, will I have your word that you will then support the Republican plans?

Now that we can have a reasonable discussion, I would prefer to see that. Lastly why would they not buy, are prices affordable?

 

[JANFU]

Not if Randy Bryce defeats ryan.

From what I recall, his district is heavily Republican. If he did lose, that may/would/could represent a drastic shift in voter anger with Republicans and impact other districts