Russia's right to counterattack

[Tangmo]

,Which is why I am convinced it is all an elaborate game of brinkmanship on the part of Putin. It is indeed rare in history where an Army about to invade appears to do everything to make its intentions obvious. If the intention is to intimidate then it all makes perfect sense. Otherwise it all goes against common sense.

The reason Putin "appears to do everything to make his intentions obvious" is that he never intended to do everything to make his intentions obvious. The White House and the Pentagon are reporting every backfire by an old junk Russian tank and every fart by troops slurping greasy borscht.

The White House and Pentagon have make this the most thoroughly and complete reporting of troops of a country massing at the border of another country since, well, who knows actually. Indeed a government massing troops as Russia is doing at its border with Ukraine says little or nothing about the composition of the force -- to include its strength of numbers.

Putin and his generals and PR machine have said little or nothing about the number of combat units, how many infantry, how many artillery, armor, airborne infantry, ordinance battalions, communications and logistics units, engineer forces, supply units, sustainment providers, blood supplies and so on.

Nor does the government forming up the force disclose staging and launch positions; nor does it provide illustrated maps of the most likely invasion routes into the targeted country to include specific target cities, geographic features such as dams, which elite units will assault the national capital city and area and so on and so on.

It's the White House and Pentagon that have provided each specific and particular of each unit of the total force, which units are positioned where, their projected invasion route to specifically named targets to seize. Indeed, Pentagon knows the supply and sustainment capability of the assembled force -- which today is reported to be 190,000 --- and for how long this force can be viable as an attacking force before it has to pause or stop for more supply lines to pull up.

All of which and more means Pentagon can easily figure the timeframe of each force of various battalions to seize their objective before the bulk of available supplies is expended. Yes, NATO & Ukraine knowing the invader's timetable to seize specific objectives means Ukraine either can reposition its forces quickly and better prepared to defend, or to simply position their forces to dig in knowing who's coming, when, in what strength and the resource limits of each factor.

WH & Pentagon are doing this to work on Putin's brain. They want Putin to know he's not in for the cakewalk he had thought the operation to be as recently as a month ago. Russian invading forces instead are going to run up against a firestorm of a fierce and waiting opposition to include rifle toting grandmas in combat boots. It can be enough to discourage even the most bullheaded dictator.

This force btw is also super expensive to maintain for any period of time never mind indefinitely or until NATO caves to Putin's demands which is something that will never happen.

 

[iguanaman]

Germany almost took Moscow.

THAT is what still scares the Russians.

No it doesn't. Most Russians would welcome Putin's overthrow. Like you said he is a thief and his people know it. What scares Russians is being sent to a gulag.

 

[Juin]

No, nothing wrong to be pro Russia, but you are on the wrong side of democracy.

I do not conflate de Russification with democracy. And I disagree that you stand for democracy and rule of law, given that you give thumbs up to the coup of 2014.

The people of the Ukraine decided that they will not be on the wrong side.

Of course, if we discount the outrage in Crimea and Donbass at the coup in 2014, then you are correct. I am beginning to get the feeling that you have become so hardwired it is impossible to catch you one the same side of the fence with a Russian; even if that Russian is Solzhenitsyn.

They want democracy, their own way, but they will not become a Russian colony again.

Mein Herr. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. Russians no more have the right to colonise Ukrainians than Ukrainians have the right to colonise Russians. The ethnic Russians of Ukraine, in the Donbass and littoral, have for far too long been oppressed by the majority ethnic Ukrainians. Time to let go.

And it is not just you. Same theme runs through the west. Self determination and independence is only for minorities under Russian domination. Russian minorities under newly minted Ukraine have no right to up and leave.

I guess if the west will not advocate for Russian minorities then it falls upon the Russian Dictator to advocate for ethnic Russians beyond the borders of the Federation.

I am very much fine with coup if a dictator gets run out of town.
Americans hang on to their guns, just because of that, a dictator government might take over.
There is 10s of thousands in the US who train for it, prep for it, the over throw of government.
Do you agree with them.
Why should the folks in the Ukraine should not have the same rights ?
Its not about Russia, its about Putin.
If you like Putin, you belong in the trash, if Putin is your buddy, you are trash, disgusting

I don't mind being in the trash, mein Herr.

 

[Juin]

That's because the dollar is worth a hellovalot more than the lousy ruble.

That's why.

And it's the only reason why.

I chosed the dollar because that is what I use. But the opinions I was offering on military matters is in all likelihood not worth a hyrvna either.

 

[Juin]

Correct in so far as international relations not being a game of equals. But definitely wrong as to the bottom line being who is good or who is bad. Bottom line is who has the bigger gun.

Whatever you do don't quit your day job cause you're a lousy comedian.

It's you the comedian when you argue that right and wrong is the bottom line when it comes to big powers. Even coocoo Socrates will wonder what u been smoking. Big powers have interests, nothing more.

It's a matter of resources and the successful management of the marshaled resources. Democratic societies ultimately prevailed in both world wars of the 20th century. Democracies rebuilt the conquered peoples into prosperous post war and well managed societies. Democracy won the Cold War because democratic society is superior to any authoritarian collectivist one past, present, future.

The United States did it. All credit goes to the American Imperium. If France and Her Britannic Majesty had their way large swathes of the world would still be colonies. The Pax Americana is good. The Pax Britannica was bad.

Russia and China are self condemned to the ash heap of history. Each of 'em is absent the moral authority, ethical framework and the values that are inherent to success in the modern world and era. They need to adapt or perish. Russia collapsed twice in the 20th century to bookend it. Yet we see the post Soviet Russian leaders have learned nothing from it.

The democratic experiment did not work for Russia. The Yeltsin years were a disaster. I will actually argue that Yeltsin was the worst thing that ever happened to Russia since Czar Nicolas II. Putin easily earns an A- at least. He has been more beneficial to Russians than any other leader as far back as Ivan the Merciful

In China each and every dynasty has failed, and this present dynasty in their business suits will fail too, because the Chinese always do the same groundhog day reaction when the going gets tough. They give more power to the numbnuts gang who are mucking up the works to begin with. Indeed, Xi Jinping has already declared himself emperor for life -- as the leader of all groundhogs. So as we can see the Chinese never learn either.

As Gen. MacArthur said, "Only the dead have seen the end of war." So one can only hope Russia and China are the last two major projects of history. It's hard to be even that grimly optimistic however.

I am pro Russian, not pro Chinese. Some accuse me of romancing dictators. That is not entirely correct. Nothing fascinates me about Xi at all. It is the severe and taciturn Putin that fascinates me. Of course, it helps that I am a long distance away. Dictators are fascinating only when examined from a distance through binoculars. They quickly lose their luster when one is their guest.

I also hate Stepan Banderas. You know he was a Hero of Ukraine? I heard that title was conferred on that Nazi collaborator by pineapple face Victor Yushchenko.

 

[Juin]

The reason Putin "appears to do everything to make his intentions obvious" is that he never intended to do everything to make his intentions obvious. The White House and the Pentagon are reporting every backfire by an old junk Russian tank and every fart by troops slurping greasy borscht.

I don't think you are very sophisticated. If Putin's intention all along was to intimidate then he has been successful beyond his wildest dreams. Imagine. The President of the United States, ole Senile Joe himself, is spreading the panic. Zelensky is all but soiling his pants in Munich.

Interestingly the only man maintaining an admirable cool through it all is Olaf the Brave. Olaf is as cool, calm and composed as the rock of Gibraltar. No sweat from Olaf.

 

[Tangmo]

I don't think you are very sophisticated. If Putin's intention all along was to intimidate then he has been successful beyond his wildest dreams. Imagine. The President of the United States, ole Senile Joe himself, is spreading the panic. Zelensky is all but soiling his pants in Munich.

Interestingly the only man maintaining an admirable cool through it all is Olaf the Brave. Olaf is as cool, calm and composed as the rock of Gibraltar. No sweat from Olaf.

I never made the claim, assertion or suggestion.

Never used the word in connection with myself.

All the same however my posts seem to have intimidated some certain folk over there into thinking in such ways. So it's not my problem izzit.

You're also into the whataboutism of "If" again, having a lapse of some sort.

Olaf too has been battered and bruised as "The Invisible Chancellor" and as the "Weak Link" in the Western Alliance of NATO and Trans Atlantic Unity; and for his SPD decades long sellout to the Kremlin Krime Mafia. Olaf The German blocked NATO providing weapons to Ukraine and obstructed same by requiring RAF to circumvent German airspace to deliver modern hitech anti tank weapons to Ukraine.

Yes, Olaf The German.

 

[Tangmo]

I am pro Russian, not pro Chinese. Some accuse me of romancing dictators. That is not entirely correct. Nothing fascinates me about Xi at all. It is the severe and taciturn Putin that fascinates me.

You are a Russophile which is your fundamental flaw.

Promoting Putin over the West.

Neither Putin nor Russia will succeed presently or much beyond the moment. So you're in for a helllova shock in your own lifetime.

 

[Tangmo]

The democratic experiment did not work for Russia. The Yeltsin years were a disaster. I will actually argue that Yeltsin was the worst thing that ever happened to Russia since Czar Nicolas II. Putin easily earns an A- at least. He has been more beneficial to Russians than any other leader as far back as Ivan the Merciful

The democratic experiment is being tested in Germany too given the Kremlin's "elite capture" of the SPD and now the CDU. The EU parliament and commission are on the case now too. Indeed, Russia hasn't ever been the Big Bad Guy as much as it is today since the Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962. Russia remains dangerous as do the Russophile subversives in the West.

 

[Juks]

Did you read the Guardian article? The Russian Ambassador said Russia would be whithin its rights to attack if it felt needed to protect Russian citizens living in Eastern Ukraine.

Should Russia not attack Ukraine if Ukraine launches an operation to retake the separatist republics of Donbass? That will be strange.

This is the way they(Putin) wants to excuse an attack on the Ukraine for the domestic "audience". Russian (state) news are full of stories about how the Ukraine has launched different attacks in the breakaway regions ( Russia has send legions to these regions ever since they took Crimea and it has been a lowkey war there since then. Many Ukraine civilians has fled that area.) The "warlords" of those regions has drafted al civilian men between the ages of 18-49 the latest week.

The latest is that Russia is planning a "terrorist attack" that they will blame the Ukraine for.

Question is how many Russian that would believe that Ukraine are seeking a war with Russia. In the beginning I guess some will, but in the long run it is just not logical and the Russians already know that news are compromised and can't be trusted (al independent news outlets has been closed and the publishers imprisoned.)


We might very well not just be facing the first big war in Europe since WWII, we might be watching the end of the "Putin era". Remember; the Russians and the Ukraines view eachother as "brothers". Very much like Swedes and Danes and Norwegians do.

 

[Lafayette]

PUTIN'S ARMY

No it doesn't. Most Russians would welcome Putin's overthrow.

"Most Russians"? You made a count, did you?

Well, here's another one:

Domestic. According to public opinion surveys conducted by NGO Levada Center, Putin's approval rating was 60% in July 2020. Putin's popularity rose from 31% in August 1999 to 80% in November 1999, never dropping below 65% during his first presidency.

Like you said he is a thief and his people know it. What scares Russians is being sent to a gulag.

Yes, very effective. And Putinsky knows how to employ that threat very effectively.

He can't be the dictator of Russia forever. So, sooner-or-later, the Russians will wake up to him and the abject-robbery he performed of State-owned Entities made private companies - and, thus, the resulting riches that made Putin and his friends billionaires ...

Which is why he's fighting this "war" - to show the world that nobody messes-around with Putin and "his army"!

The Russians do not yet understand that democracy means the people select fairly and independently the individuals who run their government. Perhaps one day they will ....

 

[Lafayette]

As Gen. MacArthur said, "Only the dead have seen the end of war." So one can only hope Russia and China are the last two major projects of history. It's hard to be even that grimly optimistic however.

Let's get America right in our means of political elections because there is a LOT that must be done to institute a fair-and-correct means of electing our leaders. This Electoral College thingy has got to go and the pure national vote - of registered voters - elects the Head of state. (And all other political candidates as well.)

That's quite a job to be done - because their are a LOTTA REPLICANTS who want nothing-to-change ... !

 

[PeteEU]

USA and Russia are not morally equal.

Nor ethically equal.

Not values equal.

Overall and all things considered the US is the good guy. Conversely and all things considered Russia is the bad guy. The US and Russia are not on a par, not in any way, except for nuclear warheads and delivery systems.

International relations is not a game of equals, ie, there's always the bottom line of who overall is the good guy and whom is the definitive bad guy. The two don't compare, they contrast only.

You are far more equal than you are not. Your value system and ethical system are quite similar these days thanks Trump and co. The US has not been the "good guy" since Bush Jr went into Iraq.... hell one could argue since Reagan and his wars of fun. Respect is earned, not gained on the fact you have the biggest guns.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

For the rebels of Donbass, Donetsk and Lugansk is their homeland

These guys just want to be part of Russia/ Where will it stop? Are there more parts of Ukraine that you want or does this end after Donbass / Donetsk and Luhansk are finally officially invaded?

 

[Tangmo]

A news roundup of selected items that are a quick read....


Russia continues to increase the number of troops it has massed on the Ukrainian border, NATO’s secretary-general warned, even though Moscow insisted that it was withdrawing forces. “We have not seen any de-escalation,” Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg said. “We see they have increased the number of troops and more troops are on their way … We are prepared for the worst.” (Financial Times, 02.16.22)

The latest photos from the satellite company Maxar Technologies appear to show increased Russian military activity near Ukraine on Feb. 14-16, including the building of a pontoon bridge in Belarus and the arrival of attack helicopters. (RFE/RL, 02.17.22)


U.S. officials said that as many as 190,000 Russian troops were arrayed in and near Ukraine, including Russia-backed separatists in eastern Ukraine, despite Moscow’s claims earlier in the week that it was withdrawing forces, according to The New York Times. Meanwhile, Russian President Vladimir Putin said the situation in eastern Ukraine was “deteriorating” as shellfire rang out in eastern Ukraine on Feb. 18 and 17, the AFP reports, and separatists leaders in the Donbass said they were evacuating civilians into Russia, according to The Moscow Times.


U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin said at NATO headquarters Feb. 17 that Russia's military preparations were moving ahead. "We see them fly in more combat and support aircraft. We see them sharpen their readiness in the Black Sea," Austin said. "We even see them stocking up their blood supplies." Austin, a retired Army general, said: "I know firsthand that you don't do these sorts of things for no reason. And you certainly don't do them if you're getting ready to pack up and go home." (The Wall Street Journal, 02.17.22)


The two pro-Moscow separatist regions in eastern Ukraine launched a “mass evacuation” of civilians into Russia starting Feb. 18, accusing Kyiv of planning to invade the breakaway territory. Denis Pushilin, leader of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic, said in a televised address that the evacuation into the neighboring Rostov region has been coordinated with “Russian leadership.” (The Moscow Times, 02.18.22).


Germany’s foreign minister suggested for the first time on Feb. 18 that military action by Moscow could mean the end of the Nord Stream 2 pipeline, according to The New York Times. While cutting off Russia’s access to SWIFT is one of the potential sanctions being pushed by the U.S. in the event of an attack on Ukraine, EU officials say it is unlikely to be included in the first round of measures. Europe’s initial steps are more likely to be targeted sanctions on some of Russia’s biggest financial institutions, among them Sberbank, VTB, Gazprombank, Alfa-Bank and The Russian Direct Investment Fund, according to the Financial Times.

Annalena Baerbock, the German foreign minister, said Feb. 18 there had been a “dramatic increase” in violence on the line of contact in eastern Ukraine over the past 48 hours. “This is one of the most dangerous moments, where from provocation and disinformation we can see escalation,” she said. (Financial Times, 02.18.22).

German Chancellor Olaf Scholz echoed Feb. 16 that "the risk of a further military aggression by Russia" remains "high," according to a statement issued following a phone call with Biden. (AFP, 02.17.22)

Russia in Review, Feb. 11-18, 2022 | Russia Matters

www.russiamatters.org

 

[Hamish Howl]

Just like the United States, these are our national interests.

More like the national interests of the 3rd Reich with respect to the Sudaten.

 

[Lafayette]

HISTORICAL EVOLUTION

No it doesn't. Most Russians would welcome Putin's overthrow. Like you said he is a thief and his people know it. What scares Russians is being sent to a gulag.

And if they get rid of the dolt, who is going to punish the entire country because of that fact.

When most of the people would applaud. The problem with Russia is that those living there today have no idea of a what it is like to have free-elections without the interference of pig-heads like Putin.

Russia and the Russians have a long, long way to go to catch up with the historical evolution of democracy ...

PS: He is ex-KGB which is where he learned his "tricks". His net-worth is estimated at more than $70B!

 

[Tangmo]

You are far more equal than you are not. Your value system and ethical system are quite similar these days thanks Trump and co. The US has not been the "good guy" since Bush Jr went into Iraq.... hell one could argue since Reagan and his wars of fun. Respect is earned, not gained on the fact you have the biggest guns.

There are a lot of Old World countries out there that don't like or accept our New World democracy thingy, to include of course our prosperous economies. Trump chose characteristically, ie, shamelessly, to say what isn't said in the halls of open government -- that they're shithole countries. Russia is one of 'em whether Trump acknowledged it or not.

As for Trump and his followers, they who are the 21st century uniquely American fascists are functioning on borrowed time. USA Republicans-Conservatives have become what we fought successfully to defeat throughout the 20th century, from Right to Left. Excepting an unforeseen radical change in the offing, their time in the USA will be up in either the "off year" elections of the coming November, or for certain in the quadrennial election of the Potus in '24.

I'd recommend that you and other self righteous types of 21st century Europe hide and watch....just be sure to keep your heads down. Indeed, as we just saw with Germany's silly offer to Ukraine of 5000 helmets, you and your compatriots may do well to seriously invite the German government to make the same offer to y'all. That would be to even hide and watch the cleanup of the USA that is to occur for certain -- again, if there's no radical change for the better between now and then. Because Americans of the political center and to the left of it are the only genuine oath keepers these dayze.

 

[Tangmo]

Let's get America right in our means of political elections because there is a LOT that must be done to institute a fair-and-correct means of electing our leaders. This Electoral College thingy has got to go and the pure national vote - of registered voters - elects the Head of state. (And all other political candidates as well.)

That's quite a job to be done - because their are a LOTTA REPLICANTS who want nothing-to-change ... !

Post the passing spasm of 21st century uniquely American fascism gaining state power changes will be made to include those you mention in the post. Because it is painfully clear in the USA that a cleanup is needed in aisle 9, a cleanup that will improve further on the existing Constitution. Because if you follow my drift, certain products need to be removed from the shelves and placed into the back storage area, never to be seen or heard from again. Let's call it the Second American Reconstruction. All according to the Constitution and its genuine oath keepers of course, ie, those whose progenitors prevailed in the Civil War, even if they failed at the first attempt of a Reconstruction. There'll be no failure this time however. You can bank on it.

 

[iguanaman]

HISTORICAL EVOLUTION



And if they get rid of the dolt, who is going to punish the entire country because of that fact.

When most of the people would applaud. The problem with Russia is that those living there today have no idea of a what it is like to have free-elections without the interference of pig-heads like Putin.

Russia and the Russians have a long, long way to go to catch up with the historical evolution of democracy ...

PS: He is ex-KGB which is where he learned his "tricks". His net-worth is estimated at more than $70B!

Yes it is true that the Russians have no idea what a democracy is and the fact that the Ukrainians have embraced their democracy and are willing to fight to protect it is what scares Putin to death. I think that is the main reason for this threatened invasion. He wants to squash this fledgling democracy before it spreads to Russia. BTW Putin is considered the richest man in the world with a net worth of $200 billion. All stolen from the Russian people.

Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos made waves this week when he briefly unseated Bill Gates as the wealthiest person in the world, according to Bloomberg’s tracker. The two U.S. tech titans are jockeying for the lead at around $90 billion each. But according to Hermitage Capital Management CEO Bill Browder, they’re nothing compared to Russian President Vladimir Putin, whose personal fortune Browder “believes” to be $200 billion.

According to Browder’s testimony, Putin amassed his vast wealth by using political clout to coerce Russians who made similar investments to simply hand over large chunks of their holdings to him. Browder further claims Putin has a personal interest in reversing the Magnitsky Act, since many of those impacted by it “hold [Putin’s] money for him.” According to Browder, that includes some in U.S. institutions that is frozen or at risk of seizure.
One Putin effort to push back against the Magnitsky Act was the 2012 imposition of restrictions on Russian adoptions to the U.S. Those adoptions —and, by extension, the Magnitsky sanctions—were the reported topic of various conversations between Russian representatives and the Trump administration. If Browder’s claims are accurate, then, Russia’s interference in the U.S. election may have had as much to do with defending Vladimir Putin’s vast personal wealth as with advancing Russian state interests.

https://fortune.com/2017/07/29/vladimir-putin-russia-jeff-bezos-bill-gates-worlds-richest-man/

 

[Schrott]

Post the passing spasm of 21st century uniquely American fascism gaining state power changes will be made to include those you mention in the post. Because it is painfully clear in the USA that a cleanup is needed in aisle 9, a cleanup that will improve further on the existing Constitution. Because if you follow my drift, certain products need to be removed from the shelves and placed into the back storage area, never to be seen or heard from again. Let's call it the Second American Reconstruction. All according to the Constitution and its genuine oath keepers of course, ie, those whose progenitors prevailed in the Civil War, even if they failed at the first attempt of a Reconstruction. There'll be no failure this time however. You can bank on it.

That will be rather difficult, if not impossible. You would have to re- wright the constitution, of to day and you need a super majority for it.
Despite 1-6 it will not happen It would need the Staes election system, too. Which will never happen.
The US election system is archaic, from a time where the US was a rural country, no electricity, no cars, no telephone etc. , were the speed of a horse dominated time.. Todays US is entrenched in two groups, left and right, there is no center anymore that could have a say.
The US democracy is outdated and in serious danger, open for a take over like the failed 1-6.
It does not have the legal tools to prevent it. What we have in the US is a " dictatorship " of 2 parties, disrupted by the 2 years election cycle, where most of the time the ruling party gets beaten and the US goes into hibernation for 2 years, where nothing gets done. Minority governments do not work and create frustration, so much that a strong man, who says I can get it done, takes over.
This is today Weimar 2.0

 

[Tangmo]

That will be rather difficult, if not impossible. You would have to re- wright the constitution, of to day and you need a super majority for it.
Despite 1-6 it will not happen It would need the Staes election system, too. Which will never happen.
The US election system is archaic, from a time where the US was a rural country, no electricity, no cars, no telephone etc. , were the speed of a horse dominated time.. Todays US is entrenched in two groups, left and right, there is no center anymore that could have a say.
The US democracy is outdated and in serious danger, open for a take over like the failed 1-6.
It does not have the legal tools to prevent it. What we have in the US is a " dictatorship " of 2 parties, disrupted by the 2 years election cycle, where most of the time the ruling party gets beaten and the US goes into hibernation for 2 years, where nothing gets done. Minority governments do not work and create frustration, so much that a strong man, who says I can get it done, takes over.
This is today Weimar 2.0

While the US armed forces and their commanders would never act to destroy democracy, they will act to restore a democracy lost. This would occur under civilian leadership of course.

Neither are we talking about the whole of the USA armed forces. Commanders know already the elite forces of select elite units in the USA -- the continental United States only -- that would loyally engage in the restoration of a lost democracy. It needs to get to that point however, ie, restoring a democracy lost. Your post is the accurate lead in to the point of enforcing a restoration, which would be next or soon after the circumstance you sequence.

Changes to the Constitution would then occur.

It's the only way.


PLAQUE #7 | CONSTITUTION CORNER | UNITED STATES MILITARY ACADEMY | WEST POINT, NEW YORK

Indeed, the absolute loyalty of the armed forces is to the Constitution, not to a single leader who positions himself above the law. Hence the final statement in Plaque #7: "This Nation must have military leaders of principle and integrity so strong that their oaths to support and defend the Constitution will unfailingly govern their actions. The purpose of the United States Military Academy is to provide such leaders of character."


Which brings us to the present time and circumstance. This moral and ethical code also makes clear why armed forces commanders and troops would not consent to the mad ideas, notions, desired actions of Trump and his gang of traitors.



Constitution Corner. USMA West Point, NY

The final word.

 

[Lafayette]

If Browder’s claims are accurate, then, Russia’s interference in the U.S. election may have had as much to do with defending Vladimir Putin’s vast personal wealth as with advancing Russian state interests.

Frankly, rambling on about the World's Richest Man is about as interesting as Warm Pee.

What happened is that all the wealth that once belonged to the Russian people went to a comparatively small group of Russian individuals - and Putin was the maniac behind that transition ... !

 

[PeteEU]

There are a lot of Old World countries out there that don't like or accept our New World democracy thingy, to include of course our prosperous economies. Trump chose characteristically, ie, shamelessly, to say what isn't said in the halls of open government -- that they're shithole countries. Russia is one of 'em whether Trump acknowledged it or not.

No countries accept the so called "new World democracy"... because it is being pushed by a country that is not democratic!

As for Trump and his followers, they who are the 21st century uniquely American fascists are functioning on borrowed time. USA Republicans-Conservatives have become what we fought successfully to defeat throughout the 20th century, from Right to Left. Excepting an unforeseen radical change in the offing, their time in the USA will be up in either the "off year" elections of the coming November, or for certain in the quadrennial election of the Potus in '24.

As long as these American fascists control one of the only 2 political parties, then they are hardly on borrowed time.

I'd recommend that you and other self righteous types of 21st century Europe hide and watch....just be sure to keep your heads down. Indeed, as we just saw with Germany's silly offer to Ukraine of 5000 helmets, you and your compatriots may do well to seriously invite the German government to make the same offer to y'all. That would be to even hide and watch the cleanup of the USA that is to occur for certain -- again, if there's no radical change for the better between now and then. Because Americans of the political center and to the left of it are the only genuine oath keepers these dayze.

Stop living in the past. The US is not the political force it use to be and nor is Russia. They are failed empires that are on their last breaths... much like the British were after WW2.

 

[Tangmo]

No countries accept the so called "new World democracy"... because it is being pushed by a country that is not democratic!



As long as these American fascists control one of the only 2 political parties, then they are hardly on borrowed time.


Stop living in the past. The US is not the political force it use to be and nor is Russia. They are failed empires that are on their last breaths... much like the British were after WW2.

You're jumping the gun.

That's because you're resistant to the message.

Which flew right past you.

Have a nice day.