"russia" blockading Ukrainian grain is a 'real war crime' - EU

[Lord Tammerlain]

And how do we do that?

How does Ukraine do that?

Truck and rail?

Same as Alberta farmers, Alberta is about the same size and is landlocked. It has to go thousands of km east to go to Europe or about 1000 west to go to Asia

 

[multivita-man]

Truck and rail?

Same as Alberta farmers, Alberta is about the same size and is landlocked. It has to go thousands of km east to go to Europe or about 1000 west to go to Asia

Right, and so how are Ukraine's rails and roads these days?

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

Right, and so how are Ukraine's rails and roads these days?

Rail I would expect in poor condition

Roads especially gravel can be repaired very quickly, and grain trucks travel on gravel roads constantly in other parts of the world

 

[multivita-man]

Rail I would expect in poor condition

Roads especially gravel can be repaired very quickly, and grain trucks travel on gravel roads constantly in other parts of the world

It takes years to establish infrastructure, and if Ukraine was used to exporting goods by seaport, then that's what it did. Developing highway infrastructure would ordinarily be an answer but it has to develop the logistics to do that, and being in the middle of a terribly destructive war with Russia kinda complicates matter, wouldn't you think?

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

It takes years to establish infrastructure, and if Ukraine was used to exporting goods by seaport, then that's what it did. Developing highway infrastructure would ordinarily be an answer but it has to develop the logistics to do that, and being in the middle of a terribly destructive war with Russia kinda complicates matter, wouldn't you think?

Gravel roads are quick to build and repair. Transportation costs of course would go up, but it is possible and Europe has lots of grain handling experience. No need for highways, just roads

 

[multivita-man]

Gravel roads are quick to build and repair. Transportation costs of course would go up, but it is possible and Europe has lots of grain handling experience. No need for highways, just roads

If it were that easy, I'm sure they'd be doing it.

 

[Litwin]

Truck and rail?

Same as Alberta farmers, Alberta is about the same size and is landlocked. It has to go thousands of km east to go to Europe or about 1000 west to go to Asia

Ukraine grain exports via Poland, Romania face bottlenecks, deputy foreign minister says

Ukraine has established two routes through Poland and Romania to export grain and avert a global food crisis although bottlenecks have slowed the supply chain, Kyiv's deputy foreign minister said on Sunday.

www.reuters.com

Ukraine Grain Harvest Begins, Farmers Running Out of Storage Options • Farm Policy News

Bloomberg writers Megan Durisin and Volodymyr Verbyany reported on Friday that, "From a dramatic loss of export revenue to mine-riddled fields and exploding machinery, Russia’s invasion has taken a massive toll on Ukraine’s agriculture sector."

farmpolicynews.illinois.edu

 

[Litwin]

If it were that easy, I'm sure they'd be doing it.

its not easy ...

Ukraine Grain Harvest Begins, Farmers Running Out of Storage Options • Farm Policy News

Bloomberg writers Megan Durisin and Volodymyr Verbyany reported on Friday that, "From a dramatic loss of export revenue to mine-riddled fields and exploding machinery, Russia’s invasion has taken a massive toll on Ukraine’s agriculture sector."

farmpolicynews.illinois.edu

Only Black Sea ships will allow Ukraine to feed the world again

EU plan to export grain by road and rail will barely move a fifth of regular food supplies.

www.politico.eu

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

Of course it is not easy, they are in a war. Complaining about grain shipments out of a country in a war. is strange. In most wars it is a complaint about getting food into the country rather than out

 

[Litwin]

In most wars it is a complaint about getting food into the country rather than out

How Russia Is Using Ukrainians’ Hunger as a Weapon of War

Residents of Mariupol, Ukraine, described how they are surviving a monthlong siege of the southern port with little food and other necessities. “No roof, no food and no water,” survivors texted relatives.

www.nytimes.com

45% of Ukraine population worry about accessing food: UN

Food, safety, fuel for transportation biggest concerns of Ukrainians amid Russia-Ukraine war, says UN food agency - Anadolu Agency

www.aa.com.tr

 

[bave]

Man, the expansion of the definition of "war crime" is nuts.

 

[PeteEU]

Funny how it was not a war crime in past wars....hell the allies blockaded Germany I. 2 world wars and Germany defacto blockaded the UK for a while during the Atlantic war...but that was not a war crime?

 

[Litwin]

Man, the expansion of the definition of "war crime" is nuts.

said RT.ru , still tell to your bosses in Moscow that that Hague is real thing , they can ask this Moscow ´s poodle


he knows the drill ))))

 

[Litwin]

Funny how it was not a war crime in past wars....hell the allies blockaded Germany

stay on Topic , we dont do here whataboutism

 

[Litwin]

the "golden" horde uses food as a weapon at a worldwide level. This is a one of the form of cold war II . Putin's objective is to destroy free world through huge migration waves and find (mainly) African political supports by starving them. War horrors in one mad brain !

 

[bomberfox]

Ukraine could simply move their grain exports through their western border with Europe, if they weren't economically corrupt and incompetent.

Ukraine provides a significant chunk of the world’s grain. I am not sure what percentage they are having to use because of the war though. Welcome.

 

[bomberfox]

You're a very dishonest person.

Show me where I've used RT as a source?

Liar

I agree he is.

 

[Litwin]

we will see a lot of action this summer

 

[Litwin]

 

[coyote505]

It's simple logic.

Most American grain is grown in the middle of the country, and yet, we manage to move it all across the continent and ship it out from ports thousands of miles away. Yet you expect me to believe that Ukraine can't move grain a few hundred miles west? LMAO

And yet, I believe the bulk of it goes down the Mississippi in barges. For bulk commodities, water usually beats land handily. Also hampering rail transport is that Ukraine's, and I would imagine other old ComBloc countries' rail guage is different from European standard. And then there is the little matter of Russia shelling and rocketing Ukraine railroads.

 

[bave]

And yet, I believe the bulk of it goes down the Mississippi in barges. For bulk commodities, water usually beats land handily. Also hampering rail transport is that Ukraine's, and I would imagine other old ComBloc countries' rail guage is different from European standard. And then there is the little matter of Russia shelling and rocketing Ukraine railroads.

Russia is going to consistently keep the rail bridges and junctions under pressure to prevent these goods from reaching the market. Ultimately Russia is going to prevent Ukraine from selling agricultural commodities to deprive them of funds while at the same time putting pressure on the western world in the form of inflation. The political pressure from inflation is going to cause the West to eventually pull more support from Ukraine and eventually force them to make a whole bunch of concessions. Ukraine is simply getting ground into paste, they can't keep it up like this.

 

[PeteEU]

stay on Topic , we dont do here whataboutism

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It is on topic!

You claim that it is a war crime for Russia to blockade Ukrainian ports and hence exports.

I am pointing out that, this action was done by the UK, France, US, and every other country in a war in the last.. 100+ years.

So was that war crimes as well?

 

[Litwin]

It is on topic!

You claim that it is a war crime for Russia to blockade Ukrainian ports and hence exports.

I am pointing out that, this action was done by the UK, France, US, and every other country in a war in the last.. 100+ years.

So was that war crimes as well?

whataboutism

 

[Litwin]

And yet, I believe the bulk of it goes down the Mississippi in barges. For bulk commodities, water usually beats land handily. Also hampering rail transport is that Ukraine's, and I would imagine other old ComBloc countries' rail guage is different from European standard. And then there is the little matter of Russia shelling and rocketing Ukraine railroads.

man, EU/UN/NATO/Ukraine work on this 7/24 , its very complicated issue , pootler knows what he is doing , his gang dont care about hunger in Africa. the best link I found :

Ukraine Grain Harvest Begins, Farmers Running Out of Storage Options • Farm Policy News

Bloomberg writers Megan Durisin and Volodymyr Verbyany reported on Friday that, "From a dramatic loss of export revenue to mine-riddled fields and exploding machinery, Russia’s invasion has taken a massive toll on Ukraine’s agriculture sector."

farmpolicynews.illinois.edu

 

[Litwin]

Africa is a hostage of Russia's war on Ukraine, Zelensky says

Russia is stopping grain leaving Ukrainian ports, sparking warnings tens of millions risk famine.

www.bbc.com