Yossarian
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Wrong, I disagree, the conditions at the time warranted what he did. Would you have supported Iran
The war between Afghanistan and Russia was going on and thus the conditions at that time justified the actions.
I had a friend in Grenada that disagrees with you and was saved by our troops.
There was no mass reduction in the median income during the Reagan years. My income doubled.
SDI bankrupted the Soviet Union and helped end the cold war leaving Clinton a peace dividend.[*]
Supporting the Contras was good statemanship
Yes, it was, wasting money in a world bureaucracy that never solves any problems is always good statesmanship and smart use of taxpayer money
I would gladly take the 1.7 trillion Reagan added to the debt vs. what we have today and what Obama is doing[/LIST]
Your revision of history and coping things from leftwing websites is what really is staggering and absolutely wrong. I along with millions of Americans benefited from the Reagan Economy. You probably weren't alive or old enough during the Reagan years to even understand what you are talking about.
Reagan understood the American people, something you apparently haven't a clue about. He empowered people, not the govt. He empowered private industry not govt. bureaucrats. He doubled economic growth, federal revenue, and added over 22 million jobs to the economy. He is to this day revered by a large majority in this country much to the chagrin of big govt. liberals.
Haha, no, of course not! But that's exactly what Reagan was doing - supporting them! He authorised arms sales to Iran. I take it, then, that you fully support Iran in this instance. Or maybe, you just didn't know what 'Iran-Contra' was.
"Conditions at the time?" Oh, please. You are being hopelessly vague.
Wrong.
"What's more important: a few pissed-off Muslims or the fall of the Soviet empire?" - Z. Brzezinski. I guess we now know the right answer to what was probably meant as a rhetorical question.
There you go again! Letting personal judgements cloud the issues at hand. Let's talk in terms of nation-building and needless foreign interference, instead of basing judgement on the predicament of your friend.
Your income doubled? Wow. You really are doing a great job of validating what I was initially suggesting - that you can't see beyond your personal experience. The median income dropped $20,000 under Reagan. So did GDP growth per capita, by the way.
It also caused the collapse of the Soviet Union in a way that continues to leave a bad taste in the mouth of the Russians, whilst also totally ignoring GOrbachev's overtures of peace during this period.
lolno. Do some research, moron.
Well, it's never going to solve problems when confronted by an attitude like yours, or his. A self-fulfilling prophecy if there ever was one.
I'm not even going to bother with this one. :roll: Please, try to stay on topic , and stop distracting from the issue at hand.
The Reagan years will be remembered as the years when millions benefitted, but millions more suffered. The rest of what you said here is worthless, subjective and inaccurate drivel. Have a nice day. :2wave:
I will correct my statement above, the arms that went to Iran went to a group outside the govt. and there is no proof that Reagan knew of the transfer of weapons to free hostages. Reagan like a good leader however took full responsibility for that which he did not know about. Refreshing leadership that seems to have escaped Clinton and Obama.
Please give us your experiences during the Reagan years as I gave you mine? I contend yours is second hand information whereas I lived and worked during that era. Your personal attacks however are duly noted
'Plausible deniability' - it's a wonderful thing, right?
I was born three years after Reagan left office. However, your insistence on the importance of this point is a personal attack in itself, since it seems to be, for you, the foundation of historical credibility, and because you attempt to undermine my sentiments based solely upon it. However, this has left me free to gather information on Reagan from a variety of sources and remain unbiased by personal experience. I am so sorry if this is such a problem for you.
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Yes, the economy under James Earl Carter was just wonderful, wasn't it?
Well, I guess that says it all. :doh
" Great Recession of the new Millenium".
Good Point.
Good Point.
Odd, isn't it, that conservatives are typically against conserving anything except their positions of power?
What position of power do Conservatives have today? Have you checked the results of liberals in power?
Are you ever going to hold liberals accountable for the results they generate? Congress has been under liberal control for the past three years and this past year they have a super majority in the Senate and massive majority in the House and a leftwing President cheering them on. Republicans have NO power yet Obama cannot even sell his majority party but for some reason it is the Republican's fault, :spin:
ADK_Forever;1058540771]They have enough power to obstruct every meaningful bill that Congress and the Senate try to pass. The Dems need to stop waiting for that bi-partisan support and push bills thru. The Repukes have no intention of helping the Dems and Obama to create anything they can hold up as a trophy for the next election.
Not surprising, you haven't a clue how our Congress works. The GOP can stop nothing the Democrats want. Obama cannot even sell his own party, only cult followers like you.
I can see it now, the 2012 Presidential Campaign, Obama, "I inherited the worst economy since the Great Depression" and the minions and army of Obama youth will ignore the fact that the economy he inherited would be his own and continue their chant, "Obama! Obama! Obama! Change, change, change we can believe in!" "Obama, Obama, Obama!!"
Dems don't have a super majority anymore.....
Tell us, oh great one, what wonderful things the GOP accomplished when it had the majority.....besides tax cuts for the rich....
Does it matter? I have given you the sites for the actual numbers but you refuse to go there. As for the tax cuts, do you pay taxes? Do you even have a job? If so you got a tax cut just like the ones that pay most of the taxes.
Now you can continue to spout the DNC rhetoric and look stupid or you can get the facts, think for a change, and actually establish some credibility. Your choice. Isn't choice great?
Yes, I pay substantial taxes, on my retirement income. Job? My job is spending the money that doesn't go for taxes. I don't mind. Uncle Sam has done a lot for me. Before he let me in his Navy, I was a poor boy with no place to call home. DNC rhetoric is no more or no less opinionated that GOP rhetoric.
As for credibility, whence cometh yours?
Great, then if you aren't paying enough in taxes write a check and send in more. My credibility comes from objectivity and actual results, not buying the rhetoric I am told. Facts confuse a lot of liberals. It is one thing to be patriotic but what Obama is doing has nothing to do with patriotism but everything to do with changing the country that you served and defended.
So, you are a legend in your own mind....
You should run for public office. That is the true test for credibility, the votes you get, or don't get....
The OP is about Reagan, but you use this thread to tell us what we already know, you hate Obama.
No, I hate Obama policies, not Obama. This thread is about the exact opposite of Obama, Ronald Reagan took over a country in much worse shape than Obama and turned it around by empowering people. Obama wants to empower unions and bureaucrats.
Obama is showing exactly what happens when people allow emotion to dictate their actions instead of logic and common sense. Reagan taught me to trust but verify. You continue to trust and ignore what can be verified. Don't know what motivates people like you but it certainly isn't facts.
IF you had an open mind, and reread all your posts, you would see that YOU are the one who is emotional about this. The country was not in much worse shape under Carter, anyone can see that. The current recession and housing fiasco is the worst thing since the great depression. We weren't fighting wars under Carter either. We had the Iran hostage situation and an oil crisis. Today is much worse. But you are all warm and comfy in your own closet and could care less about the direction we are going, as long as it goes good for you. I know lots of Republicans like you. You call yourself conservative, maybe even christian, but you don't know the meaning of either....
Not surprising, you haven't a clue how our Congress works. The GOP can stop nothing the Democrats want. Obama cannot even sell his own party, only cult followers like you.
I can see it now, the 2012 Presidential Campaign, Obama, "I inherited the worst economy since the Great Depression" and the minions and army of Obama youth will ignore the fact that the economy he inherited would be his own and continue their chant, "Obama! Obama! Obama! Change, change, change we can believe in!" "Obama, Obama, Obama!!"
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