Ron Paul slams Rand’s ‘politically motivated’ Ebola travel ban: It has no ‘medical pu

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Re: Ron Paul slams Rand’s ‘politically motivated’ Ebola travel ban: It has no ‘medica

A travel ban will make the situation worse. We ban travel from place A. So people still intent on getting here will go to place B, then come here. And LIE about ever coming from place A.

Sans travel ban, that becomes much less of a concern.

Can't the same thing be said for a mandatory 21-day quarantine? I would lie about having had any contact with Mr./Mrs. X if honesty meant that I must forget about working and going out in public until it is confirmed (weeks later?) that I did not develop ebola symptoms.

 

[CRUE CAB]

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Most people who have any chance of getting ebola in this country, are quarantined for 21 days. Even if a person did have a fever and had ebola, the likelihood of transmitting that disease is very, very low at that point. Ebola is not very contagious, it is however very infectious. The reason it is a menace and can transmit rather easily to people is that at the later stages of the infection the person with ebola is spewing all of this infected bodily fluid around. It is transmitted through that fluid, things like blood, vomit, and stool. It is not transmitted through coughing, it is not airborne. Learn the ****ing facts.

And you got your doctorate where?

 

[Porchev]

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Huffington Post Attacks Rand Paul On Ebola, Gets It Wrong | The Daily Caller

So according to that, what Rand actually said was:

“You’re not going to get AIDS at a cocktail party. No one’s going to cough on you and you’re going to get AIDS. Everybody knows that. That’s what they make it sound exactly like. But then you listen to them closely, they say you have to have direct contact. But you know how they define direct contact? Being within three feet of someone.”

 

[tech30528]

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You betcha.

""We were concerned about aerosols generated by infected patients in the most severe stage of the disease," Brosseau said.

Will had mistakenly connected the pathway of infection in a hospital room with someone coughing or sneezing in public.

"We are not aware of any published data about the viability or infectiousness of the Ebola organism in aerosols in the real world," Brosseau told PunditFact. "It appears unlikely that the public will be exposed to infectious aerosols because they are not likely to encounter infected people experiencing the severe symptoms."

We found similar views in the Oxford Journal of Infectious Diseases, and summaries issued by the Centers for Disease Control , the World Health Organization and the New England Journal of Medicine.

We're not dealing with a flu here. We are dealing with a disease that has a 70% lethality. Not everybody runs for a doctor's office at the first sign of illness either. I have a friend who didn't end up in a hospital until 4 days after his appendix burst. He was eaten up with sepsis and managed to survive it. Obviously not a good thing to do, but blaming a patient for not being in a more convenient place for treatment late in the infection stage will not cure others he exposes. If there is any chance of it happening considering the lethality that possibility needs to be considered.

 

[Your Star]

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And you got your doctorate where?

One does not need a doctorate to understand this.

 

[TeleKat]

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It should be noted that Rand is also a doctor.

Is this the part where I bring up that Ron has decades more medical experience than Rand and is also not currently running a presidential campaign?

 

[Perotista]

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Have to agree with Ron Paul on this one.... Shutting down part of the worlds travel system out of sensationalized fear is going to be counterproductive out of a time like this. Hell, lets be honest, these calls of a "travel ban" is just a political stunt. [/FONT][/COLOR]

I think a travel ban might ease some fears only because 58% of all Americans want it.

Americans Favor Temporary Flight Ban From Ebola-Affected Areas in Africa - Rasmussen Reports™

Would it help fight the disease, I am with Ron Paul on this one. I do not think so.

 

[Geoist]

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You really comparing the flu to ebola?

Why not? While ebola has a higher death rate, influenza is far more contagious and sees far more deaths each year.

 

[CRUE CAB]

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Why not? While ebola has a higher death rate, influenza is far more contagious and sees far more deaths each year.

Not of otherwise healthy people. That's the problem.

 

[tres borrachos]

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And GWB is not? Obama is not? Romney is not? Hillary is not? Kerry is not? Huckabee is not? Palen is not?

How on Earth did these people make it into post #3 in a thread about Ron and Rand Paul?

 

[ARealConservative]

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“It’s not like AIDS,” he explained. “AIDS is difficult to transmit. You’re not going to go into a cocktail party and have someone cough and get AIDS. If you are in a cocktail party with someone with Ebola and they cough, you are at risk for getting Ebola.”


*Sigh* Rand needs to check his facts. There is no evidence that Ebola can be transmitted through a cough. This fear-mongering needs to stop.

The below is straight from the CDC. stop posting your ignorant rants. thank you

Can Ebola spread by coughing? By sneezing?
Unlike respiratory illnesses like measles or chickenpox, which can be transmitted by virus particles that remain suspended in the air after an infected person coughs or sneezes, Ebola is transmitted by direct contact with body fluids of a person who has symptoms of Ebola disease. Although coughing and sneezing are not common symptoms of Ebola, if a symptomatic patient with Ebola coughs or sneezes on someone, and saliva or mucus come into contact with that person’s eyes, nose or mouth, these fluids may transmit the disease.

 

[Geoist]

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Fact is, no one has tested for those possible transmissions.

Report: Officials Haven't Tested Whether Coughing, Sneezing Can Spread Ebola

Virologist Vincent Racaniello: "We have been studying viruses for over 100 years, and we've never seen a human virus change the way it is transmitted"
Why Ebola is very unlikely to go airborne - Vox


This is not to say Ebola definitely 100% will not become airborne. The point is it is HIGHLY unlikely. Definitely not enough of a likelihood to warrant such hysteria.

 

[Geoist]

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Not of otherwise healthy people. That's the problem.

Not true.

43 percent American children who died from flu were perfectly healthy beforehand, CDC researchers found.
Teen

 

[WCH]

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Virologist Vincent Racaniello: "We have been studying viruses for over 100 years, and we've never seen a human virus change the way it is transmitted"
Why Ebola is very unlikely to go airborne - Vox


This is not to say Ebola definitely 100% will not become airborne. The point is it is HIGHLY unlikely. Definitely not enough of a likelihood to warrant such hysteria.

Maybe not airborne as in suspended but, more like an atomized liquid expulsion from the host body. [thus the need for complete cover for healthcare workers]

 

[Geoist]

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The below is straight from the CDC. stop posting your ignorant rants. thank you

Lol, posting a claim with evidence is not a "rant."

Can Ebola spread by coughing? By sneezing?
Unlike respiratory illnesses like measles or chickenpox, which can be transmitted by virus particles that remain suspended in the air after an infected person coughs or sneezes, Ebola is transmitted by direct contact with body fluids of a person who has symptoms of Ebola disease. Although coughing and sneezing are not common symptoms of Ebola, if a symptomatic patient with Ebola coughs or sneezes on someone, and saliva or mucus come into contact with that person’s eyes, nose or mouth, these fluids may transmit the disease.

Looks like you didn't finish reading your own source. It clearly states "and saliva or mucus come into contact..." I never said you cannot get it from saliva/mucus. Rand's claim was that someone can simply sneeze at a cocktail party and everyone in the room would be at risk. That would have to be either a very small room or a really big sneeze.

 

[CRUE CAB]

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Not true.

43 percent American children who died from flu were perfectly healthy beforehand, CDC researchers found.
Teen

Children. I was talking about adults. The flu kills otherwise healthy aged people too. And a childs immune system is not as developed as a grown adult.
But hey, keep trying to compare a deadly dieses to the flu.

 

[CRUE CAB]

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Maybe not airborne as in suspended but, more like an atomized liquid expulsion from the host body. [thus the need for complete cover for healthcare workers]

Clearly people who are such Obama water carriers will never believe anything about this sickness and how it kills. I say let it run rampant in this nation.

 

[ARealConservative]

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Lol, posting a claim with evidence is not a "rant."

Looks like you didn't finish reading your own source. It clearly states "and saliva or mucus come into contact..." I never said you cannot get it from saliva/mucus. Rand's claim was that someone can simply sneeze at a cocktail party and everyone in the room would be at ris. That would have to be either a very small room or a really big sneeze.

Rand Paul didn’t make a false claim, but YOU did.

Rand Paul said “If you are in a cocktail party with someone with Ebola and they cough, you are at risk for getting Ebola.”

The CDC says “If a symptomatic patient with Ebola coughs or sneezes on someone, and saliva or mucus come into contact with that person’s eyes, nose or mouth, these fluids may transmit the disease.”


May Transmit disease = risk of getting Ebola. you claimed their is no evidence of that. I believe the CDC over your ignorant ass

 

[WCH]

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Clearly people who are such Obama water carriers will never believe anything about this sickness and how it kills. I say let it run rampant in this nation.

I'm sure the Left would love that. don't let a good crisis go to waste.

 

[ARealConservative]

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I really get tired of the Obots around here.

the white house claimed "“You cannot get it from casual contact, like sitting next to someone on a bus.”

That is a bull**** claim. It is an outright lie. Rand Paul is correct that we need to be more honest about this. You can't get AIDS sitting next to someone with AIDS, but you damn well can get Ebola sitting next to someone with Ebola.

 

[Geoist]

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Children. I was talking about adults.

Oh please. You said "people." So unless you don't think of children as people then admit you were wrong.

 

[Geoist]

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You can't get AIDS sitting next to someone with AIDS, but you damn well can get Ebola sitting next to someone with Ebola.

Just stop with the fear mongering. By saying you can get Ebola by sitting next to an infected person you imply the disease is airborne. If it was so simple then we would be seeing a lot more cases in Dallas.

 

[Geoist]

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I believe the CDC over your ignorant ass[/I]

Dude, what is your problem? We can disagree and debate without the name-calling.

 

[Geoist]

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Rand Paul didn’t make a false claim, but YOU did.

Rand Paul said “If you are in a cocktail party with someone with Ebola and they cough, you are at risk for getting Ebola.”

The CDC says “If a symptomatic patient with Ebola coughs or sneezes on someone, and saliva or mucus come into contact with that person’s eyes, nose or mouth, these fluids may transmit the disease.”

The CDC states if the "sneeze ON someone AND saliva/mucus comes into contact..." Rand leaves out the mention of bodily fluids. This only fuels the misconceptions and fearmongering taking place in this country.

 

[Geoist]

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you damn well can get Ebola sitting next to someone with Ebola.

“You can’t catch it from sitting next to a person, and you can’t catch it from shaking hands,” Dr Ron Behrens
Ron Behrens | London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine | LSHTM