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Ron Paul on the Issues

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Okay, this is a serious discussion about Ron Paul's policies, rather than whether or not he can win.

Here is his platform and positions:

Ron Paul's Platform
Ron Paul on the Issues

What do you like/dislike, etc?

Rule #1: Absolutely NO discussion about his chances of being elected, let us assume hypothetically that he has already won the election and will be inaugurated. How do you think he will do as president?

Personally, I like everything accept for his approach to immigration and marriage. I think his economic policy is sound, his foreign policy is diplomatic, and the guy is immune to corruption, the very living anti-thesis of corruption.
 
Okay, this is a serious discussion about Ron Paul's policies, rather than whether or not he can win.

Here is his platform and positions:

Ron Paul's Platform
Ron Paul on the Issues

What do you like/dislike, etc?

Rule #1: Absolutely NO discussion about his chances of being elected, let us assume hypothetically that he has already won the election and will be inaugurated. How do you think he will do as president?

Personally, I like everything accept for his approach to immigration and marriage. I think his economic policy is sound, his foreign policy is diplomatic, and the guy is immune to corruption, the very living anti-thesis of corruption.

I think he's the kind of guy who makes up his mind without sufficient evidence and then moves heaven and earth to make the evidence fit his preconceived views.

I think his views on non-interventionism will allow him to pass the buck for national security to Congress and no single one of the Congresspeople will be able to act decisively in the case of an emergency, none of them will feel personally responsible, all of them will be abler to pass the buck for any national security failures and there are powers in the world who will make sure there will never be an emergency which would alarm Congress enough to wake them from their slumber. In that way they will be able to exploit our new President and his Congress.

Furthermore, while we are non-intervening in the jihadist wars on our former allies, those people in the mud huts and behind locked doors who once looked up to us as the beacon of freedom in the world and with hope in their hearts will know the enemy has truly defeated America and what it meant to be American. Those people will become angry and bitter to realize just how selfish we have become and how far from our ideal we have strayed. Here, from the words of John Kennedy's inaugural address.

The world is very different now. For man holds in his mortal hands the power to abolish all forms of human poverty and all forms of human life. And yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our forebears fought are still at issue around the globe -- the belief that the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state, but from the hand of God.

We dare not forget today that we are the heirs of that first revolution. Let the word go forth from this time and place, to friend and foe alike, that the torch has been passed to a new generation of Americans -- born in this century, tempered by war, disciplined by a hard and bitter peace, proud of our ancient heritage, and unwilling to witness or permit the slow undoing of those human rights to which this nation has always been committed, and to which we are committed today at home and around the world.

Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, to assure the survival and the success of liberty.

This much we pledge -- and more.

To those old allies whose cultural and spiritual origins we share, we pledge the loyalty of faithful friends. United there is little we cannot do in a host of cooperative ventures. Divided there is little we can do -- for we dare not meet a powerful challenge at odds and split asunder.

To those new states whom we welcome to the ranks of the free, we pledge our word that one form of colonial control shall not have passed away merely to be replaced by a far more iron tyranny. We shall not always expect to find them supporting our view. But we shall always hope to find them strongly supporting their own freedom -- and to remember that, in the past, those who foolishly sought power by riding the back of the tiger ended up inside.

To those people in the huts and villages of half the globe struggling to break the bonds of mass misery, we pledge our best efforts to help them help themselves, for whatever period is required -- not because the Communists may be doing it, not because we seek their votes, but because it is right. If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich.

To our sister republics south of our border, we offer a special pledge: to convert our good words into good deeds, in a new alliance for progress, to assist free men and free governments in casting off the chains of poverty. But this peaceful revolution of hope cannot become the prey of hostile powers. Let all our neighbors know that we shall join with them to oppose aggression or subversion anywhere in the Americas. And let every other power know that this hemisphere intends to remain the master of its own house.

And while our allies are being eaten up by the various pleasantries devised and at the behest of jihadists, both violent and non, we will be sitting and watching any of our potential lifelines be eroded before our eyes. But unlike the way we were rescued from our self imposed paralysis to join the fight thanks to Pearl Harbor in WWII, this time there will be no Pearl Harbor to rescue our allies or ourselves.

And it will be then that you Ron Paul supporters will take a look in the mirror and see exactly how small and scared and confused and weak you really are and what you will have force America to be. And when you look behind your mirrored reflection, instead of the admiring or angry or besieging gaze of the world's faces you will see no one there at all except the money grubbers who want us the way a sailor wants a woman on leave and sneers as he throws down his money.

Congratulations.

*spit*
 
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Well that was a whole lot o' nothing in that post. You clearly don't understand the situation in the Middle East nor non-interventionist policy. Your way is the way of perpetual war, Paul's way is the way you go if you wish to ultimately solve this problem.
 
Okay, this is a serious discussion about Ron Paul's policies, rather than whether or not he can win.

Here is his platform and positions:

Ron Paul's Platform
Ron Paul on the Issues

What do you like/dislike, etc?

Rule #1: Absolutely NO discussion about his chances of being elected, let us assume hypothetically that he has already won the election and will be inaugurated. How do you think he will do as president?

Personally, I like everything accept for his approach to immigration and marriage. I think his economic policy is sound, his foreign policy is diplomatic, and the guy is immune to corruption, the very living anti-thesis of corruption.

On the economy, Paul acknowledges growing problem of the $9 trillion debt amassed by Republicans. However, he's for cutting taxes. That is a what the pandering Republicans have been selling for years. That's easy to say.
But how is reducing revenues going to address the debt problem? Where is Paul going to cut more than half a trillion in govt spending to stop the bleeding?

Where's the beef?

He also wrongly blames the Fed for debt. What is his proposal for the money supply.
 
He does talk about cutting taxes, but he also talks about cutting the government. Half a trillion is hard to come up with but when he says he wants smaller government, he's not just blowing smoke. He has a pretty good list of agencies and government bureaucracies which would be eliminated.
 
He does talk about cutting taxes, but he also talks about cutting the government. Half a trillion is hard to come up with but when he says he wants smaller government, he's not just blowing smoke. He has a pretty good list of agencies and government bureaucracies which would be eliminated.

Such as?

.....
 
On the economy, Paul acknowledges growing problem of the $9 trillion debt amassed by Republicans. However, he's for cutting taxes. That is a what the pandering Republicans have been selling for years. That's easy to say.
But how is reducing revenues going to address the debt problem? Where is Paul going to cut more than half a trillion in govt spending to stop the bleeding?

Where's the beef?

He also wrongly blames the Fed for debt. What is his proposal for the money supply.
He also proposes spending *MUCH* less in the government. He wants to cut those programs first and foremost. Then move onto taxes. So the revenue from taxes will not be needed and the revenue in the interim will go toward the debt instead of the bureaucracies.

Don't spend monies, don't need as much monies to sustain.

The states should be funding programs - not the Fed.
 
He also proposes spending *MUCH* less in the government. He wants to cut those programs first and foremost. Then move onto taxes. So the revenue from taxes will not be needed and the revenue in the interim will go toward the debt instead of the bureaucracies.

That was implicit in his dual claims to reduce the debt and cut taxes. Easy to say. But it would require cutting more than $1/2 trillion in spending annually. Where does Paul suggest cutting this spending?

This is my problem with Paul (and many Republicans). The pander tax cuts, maybe give a little lip service to the debt, but then boot on the hard part of actually cutting spending.

Where's the beef? Where is Paul going to cut $1/2 trillion+ spending to both cut tax and balance the budget?

Don't spend monies, don't need as much monies to sustain.

The states should be funding programs - not the Fed.

The Fed does not fund programs. The Govt does. The Fed manages the money supply.

Again, I don't understand Paul's assertion that somehow the Fed caused the debt. The debt was caused by the Govt running huge deficits for the past 25 years, except for the period of the late 90s.
 
He also proposes spending *MUCH* less in the government. He wants to cut those programs first and foremost. Then move onto taxes. So the revenue from taxes will not be needed and the revenue in the interim will go toward the debt instead of the bureaucracies.

Don't spend monies, don't need as much monies to sustain.

The states should be funding programs - not the Fed.
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State should be funding programs? That is just changing who we pay more tax's too.
 
On the economy, Paul acknowledges growing problem of the $9 trillion debt amassed by Republicans. However, he's for cutting taxes. That is a what the pandering Republicans have been selling for years. That's easy to say.
But how is reducing revenues going to address the debt problem? Where is Paul going to cut more than half a trillion in govt spending to stop the bleeding?

Where's the beef?

He also wrongly blames the Fed for debt. What is his proposal for the money supply.


Just a warning to forum members - Iremon has constantly been accused of dishonesty by countless forum members as it pertains to fed policy. He won't be forthcoming about his career - so I think it is safe to say he profits in some way from the current system - and not in an ethical manneer.

For instance, Ron Paul hasn't said anything about the FED, that Alan Greenspan hasn't also agreed to at one point or another. But Iremon would have us believe that he knows more on the issue. It's simply not true.
 
That was implicit in his dual claims to reduce the debt and cut taxes. Easy to say. But it would require cutting more than $1/2 trillion in spending annually. Where does Paul suggest cutting this spending?

This is my problem with Paul (and many Republicans). The pander tax cuts, maybe give a little lip service to the debt, but then boot on the hard part of actually cutting spending.

Where's the beef? Where is Paul going to cut $1/2 trillion+ spending to both cut tax and balance the budget?

Don't spend monies, don't need as much monies to sustain.



The Fed does not fund programs. The Govt does. The Fed manages the money supply.

Again, I don't understand Paul's assertion that somehow the Fed caused the debt. The debt was caused by the Govt running huge deficits for the past 25 years, except for the period of the late 90s.


If you want to know what he would cut, just look at his voting record. The big problem would be getting anyone else in the government to agree with him. Ron Paul proposes policy drastically different than our current policy. I know Congress would not want to go along with him. Neither would big business (heck small business too).

I don't understand everything he says about economics and the money supply. However, he has said that the fiat monetary system and the Federal Reserve are what allow us to spend so much money. By creating dollars out of thin air. They allow our government to spend what it does not have. Also in doing so, they have purposefully devalued our currency. These things all contribute to our debt and reliance on foreign investing/credit. Check out his website at house.gov for more information.
 
The Fed does not fund programs. The Govt does. The Fed manages the money supply.
The Fed is not a private company like some folks believe. Oh yeah, its the government.

State should be funding programs? That is just changing who we pay more tax's too.
Of course, but it is also more constitutional than our current system. States can pretty much do what they want.
 
If you want to know what he would cut, just look at his voting record. The big problem would be getting anyone else in the government to agree with him.

ah, but he only needs 1/3 to agree with him.

Ron Paul isn't running for dictator - that's more for the hawks he is running against. He will obey the consitutiton and as long as 1/3 of the legislative branch agrees with him, his veto stands.

Same with war - congress has the power to declare war. Ron Paul, in all his years of service, has shown that he will act according to the U.S. constitution.

The best thing Ron Paul would do is re-elevate the position to one that maximizes the bully pulpit. He will put America back on track by reaching out to all of us with him message of liberty and integrity. Our nation needs to hear that message now more than ever.

To get to the real problem with our deficit - read this:
If we are to uphold the idea of all men possessing equal rights under the law, then there can certainly be no justification for our present PROGRESSIVE tax system. It is dictatorial and contrary to everything for which America stands.

As the renowned Scottish economist, J.R. McCulloch, stated over 150 years ago, "The moment you abandon the cardinal principle of extracting from all individuals the same proportion of their income or of their property, you are at sea without a rudder or compass, and there is no amount of injustice or folly you may not commit." [J.R. McCulloch, Taxation and the funding System, London, 1845, pp. 141-143.]

Our own Thomas Jefferson astutely summed up such reasoning when he wrote, "The true foundation of republican government is the equal right of every citizen, in his person and property, and in their management." [Letter to S. Kercheval, 1816.]

Under our present system, the blindfolded Goddess of Justice has been allowed to peek. "Tell me first who you are and what you earn," she says, "then I will tell you how the tax laws apply to you." This is privilege and arbitrary law, the harbingers of every tyranny throughout history.

This then is the moral and philosophical case for abolishing the progressive income tax. It is simply unjust, unconstitutional, illegal, and dictatorial. But in addition to the philosophical case, there is also a very powerful practical reason why ending this tax is so important. This is because, with progressive rates ended, there would no longer be any incentive for voters to try and gain their life's status by relentlessly increasing government spending, i.e., by redistributing wealth from the pockets of their neighbors.

Most Americans do not understand it, but the major cause of explosive government spending is our use of progressive tax rates to redistribute wealth. This is because the progressive income tax permits large constituencies of voters to pay ZERO TAXES and equally large constituencies to pay NEXT TO ZERO TAXES. These two groups comprise 50% of today's adult population. Thus, a progressive income tax spawns a "something for nothing" voter mindset that dominates all elections. [The top 50% of Americans pay 96.03% of taxes; the bottom 50% pay only 3.97%. Figures from Internal Revenue Service, Statistics of Income Division Unpublished Statistics, September 2002.]

When large groups of voters are allowed the privilege of paying nothing and next to nothing in taxes, an irresponsible electorate will inevitably evolve to demand a steady expansion of government services. This is basic human nature and one of the cardinal laws of economics. If government benefits are free (or nearly free), demand for them will be infinite. Consequently, in every election there is an automatic 50% base of voters who always favor those politicians who propose increased government spending!

Overcoming this INFINITE DEMAND for government spending will be impossible until we radically reform the tax system and eliminate its "something for nothing" aspect. This means ending ALL deductions, special breaks, loopholes, and rate progressivity. This will necessitate the adoption of a simple equal rate income tax (i.e., a genuine flat tax) that does not convey favors or exemptions to anybody.

Since voters would then have to pay for all government subsidies and pork barrel programs proportionately out of their own pockets, they would lose their overwhelming desire for such subsidies and programs. They would begin to favor politicians who advocate "reduction" of government instead of its "constant expansion," because this is the only way they could get their own taxes reduced and more freedom into their lives. All kinds of Ron Pauls would begin to appear in congressional elections every two years because the electorate would demand it. But as long as voters pay zero taxes or next to zero taxes, they will continue to favor politicians who offer more programs and more pork every November at election time. An "equal rate tax" is the only way to end the automatic expansion of government.

But such a flat tax must be a REAL flat tax, not the imposters put forth by the likes of Steve Forbes and Dick Armey. These two attempts to promote a flat tax are no answers at all because of their huge personal exemptions.

For example, the Forbes plan greatly increases personal exemptions (a family of four goes from $14,150 to $36,000). This, of course, will greatly increase the amount of people who pay zero and next to zero taxes -- from 50% of voters to 65% of voters. Thus the amount of people who have infinite demand for government services will become larger and even more irresponsible than it is at present! Such pseudo "tax reform" is totally insane! If we wish to shut down the inferno of government growth and spending, then we must eliminate "rate progressivity," not increase it. This means all voters must pay the same rates, which means no exemptions!

As sure as the sun will come up tomorrow, however, liberals will attack any genuine "equal rate tax" as unfair to the poor people. So if a floor is to be established under which no one will have to pay the tax, i.e., an exemption for those under the poverty level, then a provision must be included in the tax bill stating that those who are exempted from paying are to also be excluded from voting. Remember we are trying to restore a RESPONSIBLE electorate and legislature. This cannot be done if voters get their services free. All who vote must pay the tax -- period! This is the only way they will act responsibly. This is human nature. After all, we deny children the right to vote. Why do we do this? Because they are not mature enough to vote responsibly. The same principle applies to men and women who are exempt from taxes; they will never vote responsibly. They will possess "infinite demand" for government services.

Now a far left socialist will say - it's not fair to the poor.

They ignore the premise though - the poor - because of progressive taxes, are irresponsble voters. You won't fix the budget problem until you fix this underlying issue. It's not fair to the rest of us that irresponsible citizens have an equal say in goverment.
 
I think he's the kind of guy who makes up his mind without sufficient evidence and then moves heaven and earth to make the evidence fit his preconceived views.
Just like someone else I could mention...

I think his views on non-interventionism will allow him to pass the buck for national security to Congress and no single one of the Congresspeople will be able to act decisively in the case of an emergency, none of them will feel personally responsible, all of them will be abler to pass the buck for any national security failures and there are powers in the world who will make sure there will never be an emergency which would alarm Congress enough to wake them from their slumber. In that way they will be able to exploit our new President and his Congress.
So he would follow the Constitution and allow Congress to declare wars?! Blasphemy!

Furthermore, while we are non-intervening in the jihadist wars on our former allies, those people in the mud huts and behind locked doors who once looked up to us as the beacon of freedom in the world and with hope in their hearts will know the enemy has truly defeated America and what it meant to be American. Those people will become angry and bitter to realize just how selfish we have become and how far from our ideal we have strayed. Here, from the words of John Kennedy's inaugural address.
The people in the mud huts are the people who are fly planes into buildings, and one of the reasons they live in mud huts is because we bombed their old house. They are already angry and bitter about that and become even more angry and bitter when their children die in firefights started by us.



And while our allies are being eaten up by the various pleasantries devised and at the behest of jihadists, both violent and non, we will be sitting and watching any of our potential lifelines be eroded before our eyes. But unlike the way we were rescued from our self imposed paralysis to join the fight thanks to Pearl Harbor in WWII, this time there will be no Pearl Harbor to rescue our allies or ourselves.
The jihadists have no army, navy, or air force. There is no chance they will ever conquer a country that isn't already a hotbed of Islamism.

And it will be then that you Ron Paul supporters will take a look in the mirror and see exactly how small and scared and confused and weak you really are and what you will have force America to be. And when you look behind your mirrored reflection, instead of the admiring or angry or besieging gaze of the world's faces you will see no one there at all except the money grubbers who want us the way a sailor wants a woman on leave and sneers as he throws down his money.
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Yeah, ok sport. :screwy
 
Just a warning to forum members - Iremon has constantly been accused of dishonesty by countless forum members as it pertains to fed policy. He won't be forthcoming about his career - so I think it is safe to say he profits in some way from the current system - and not in an ethical manneer.

For instance, Ron Paul hasn't said anything about the FED, that Alan Greenspan hasn't also agreed to at one point or another. But Iremon would have us believe that he knows more on the issue. It's simply not true.

WTF prompted that?

Since when is disclosure of personal information such as your career a necessary condition to participating on this board?

Before you accuse someone of dishonesty ("For instance, Ron Paul hasn't said anything about the FED"), maybe you should at least read the ****ing first post in the thread. It links to Paul's website that says this:

In addition, the Federal Reserve, our central bank, fosters runaway debt by increasing the money supply – making each dollar in your pocket worth less. The Fed is a private bank run by unelected officials who are not required to be open or accountable to “we the people.”

Issues - Debt and Taxes

If I question Paul's ridiculous ****ing assertion that the Fed causes the Govt to have debt, and I ask what his plan would be after scrapping the Federal Reserve System like he wants to do, that is my opinion. That is not being dishonest. Instead of calling me dishonest, why don't you answer the question and tell us what Paul's plan is for control of the money supply after abolising the Fed.

Since you accuse me of dishonesty, why don't you tell the members of the forum the factual basis your statement that "it is safe to say he profits in some way from the current system".

And instead of vague assertions about what folks like Aquapub say, why don't you grow some balls and tell the forum members exactly what dishonest statements I have made about Fed policy or anything else.

Jeez.

All trust that folks here familiar with my posts can make up their own minds.
 
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The Fed is not a private company like some folks believe. Oh yeah, its the government.

I don't understand your point, or if you are being sarcastic. What does this have to do with your statement about the Fed funding programs. How does the Fed fund programs? What programs?
 
If you want to know what he would cut, just look at his voting record.

Why should I do that? Why isn't it on his web site? There are several Paul supporters here, this thread was started with an invitation to examine his position on the issues.

How does Paul plan to cut over $1/2 trillion in spending to balanced the budget, much less pay for more tax cuts.

The big problem would be getting anyone else in the government to agree with him.

No doubt.

Ron Paul proposes policy drastically different than our current policy. I know Congress would not want to go along with him. Neither would big business (heck small business too).

Since I don't know what his policy is, I can't agree or disagree.

I don't understand everything he says about economics and the money supply. However, he has said that the fiat monetary system and the Federal Reserve are what allow us to spend so much money. By creating dollars out of thin air. They allow our government to spend what it does not have. Also in doing so, they have purposefully devalued our currency. These things all contribute to our debt and reliance on foreign investing/credit. Check out his website at house.gov for more information.

The Fed creates money out of thin air, not the Govt. The Govt spends more than it has by borrowing it; China being the biggest lender. The Govt has borrowed over $3 trillion since 2001 because it has spent more than it has. The Govt borrows so much money (though it didn't in 2000) because it slashed revenues with tax cuts and started a few wars and new programs like the Drug Compnay Profit Enhancement Act.

The Govt does not spend more money because it creates it. The Govt cannot creat money. Which is a wonderful thing because if it did that we would have hyper inflation in short order. That is exactly why the independent Fed reserve system was created, just so the Govt would not have the power to create money to spend more. This systme has worked pretty well over the past 70 years, especially since the Fed started focusing on inflation in 1980. The US economy has grown steadily, recessions have been relatively mild compared to the past. Why folks like Paul want to scrap it, and what system of money supply control he thinks would work better, I'm not sure. That is why I asked.
 
I don't understand your point, or if you are being sarcastic. What does this have to do with your statement about the Fed funding programs. How does the Fed fund programs? What programs?

I was attempting to connect the Fed with the Government in stead of it being a private company. I failed - miserably. lol
 
This systme has worked pretty well over the past 70 years, especially since the Fed started focusing on inflation in 1980. The US economy has grown steadily, recessions have been relatively mild compared to the past. Why folks like Paul want to scrap it, and what system of money supply control he thinks would work better, I'm not sure. That is why I asked.

guys like Ron Paul - and Alan Greenspan - would prefer gold backed currency over fiat currency for all kinds of reasons. they explain it far better then I could.

To say the system has been in place for 70 years is the first part of dishonesty. Our current system has been in place for 36 years. But 36 years, 70 years - just a simple oversight right?
 
I think he's the kind of guy who makes up his mind without sufficient evidence and then moves heaven and earth to make the evidence fit his preconceived views.


hahahahahahahAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :rofl :rofl :rofl

*cough cough*... sorry... I couldn't stop laughing... but bhkad.... HAVE YOU HEARD OF BUSH? Or... THE IRAQ WAR?

By the way bhkad, are you and Navy Pride the same person? Just wondering.
 
Well that was a whole lot o' nothing in that post. You clearly don't understand the situation in the Middle East nor non-interventionist policy. Your way is the way of perpetual war, Paul's way is the way you go if you wish to ultimately solve this problem.

It has been pointed out to me that liberal but loyal American citizens are moved by reasonable arguments. Why aren't you?

Fellow posters, there are people here who would have you believe they are simply loyal Americans who have valid criticisms of the war as many loyal Americans do. But the reality is that when confronted with the hard facts and asked the hard questions and challenged to state their position on issues that would most profoundly impact the jihadist's activities, REAL loyal Americans show their colors are red, white and blue.

Those posters who have a greater allegiance to Islam or another country do not feel comfortable in being consistently and convincingly FOR-America and AGAINST-Jihadists.

Whenever I look at Ron Paul I can never get past this:

Ron Paul on War & Peace

* Voted NO on declaring Iraq part of War on Terror with no exit date. (Jun 2006)
* Voted NO on approving removal of Saddam & valiant service of US troops. (Mar 2004)
* Voted NO on authorizing military force in Iraq. (Oct 2002)
* Voted YES on disallowing the invasion of Kosovo. (May 1999)

When a loyal America understands the history of the jihad movement of the 20th Century and later as well as the clearly stated goals of the jihadists groups like (but not limited to) al Qaeda and jihadists nations like Iran, the overwhelming majority of loyal Americans experience an epiphany of sorts.

They come to recognize the importance of the war in iraq and become very interested in wanting to know what we can do to ACCOMPLISH THE MISSION there and become really committed to avoiding the bloody consequences of a premature pullout or a failure of the iraqi govt to stand strong against radical islamic forces.

Those with other agendas simply dig their heels in the dirt and become more committed to resist the truth.

That is what I have seen you do.

:2wave:

Because of his policies which would effectively prevent US intervening in jihadist movements and conflicts overseas Ron Paul is the one stealth candidate that anti-Americans can support with enthusiasm and not stand out from the sheeple they hide amongst.
 
WTF prompted that?

Since when is disclosure of personal information such as your career a necessary condition to participating on this board?

Before you accuse someone of dishonesty ("For instance, Ron Paul hasn't said anything about the FED"), maybe you should at least read the ****ing first post in the thread. It links to Paul's website that says this:

In addition, the Federal Reserve, our central bank, fosters runaway debt by increasing the money supply – making each dollar in your pocket worth less. The Fed is a private bank run by unelected officials who are not required to be open or accountable to “we the people.”

Issues - Debt and Taxes

If I question Paul's ridiculous ****ing assertion that the Fed causes the Govt to have debt, and I ask what his plan would be after scrapping the Federal Reserve System like he wants to do, that is my opinion. That is not being dishonest. Instead of calling me dishonest, why don't you answer the question and tell us what Paul's plan is for control of the money supply after abolising the Fed.

Since you accuse me of dishonesty, why don't you tell the members of the forum the factual basis your statement that "it is safe to say he profits in some way from the current system".

And instead of vague assertions about what folks like Aquapub say, why don't you grow some balls and tell the forum members exactly what dishonest statements I have made about Fed policy or anything else.

Jeez.

All trust that folks here familiar with my posts can make up their own minds.

When you get attacked like that by those with questionable loyalties it is because they want to cast suspicion and scrutiny away from themselves.

Or would have it appear that is the case. I'm new here so I can't say for sure which is the case.
 
You stand for what the overwhelming majority of America stands against. Why are you so against the American people bhkad? What did we ever do to you?

America has spoken LOUD AND CLEAR. Get a clue. Get onboard!
 
You stand for what the overwhelming majority of America stands against. Why are you so against the American people bhkad? What did we ever do to you?

America has spoken LOUD AND CLEAR. Get a clue. Get onboard!

Too many of you give concealment to those who hate America by failing to do your homework about Jihad.

The Redhunter: Book Review - "Future Jihad" - Part 1: The Logic of Jihad
The Redhunter: Book Review - "Future Jihad" - Part 2: Who are the Jihadists?
The Redhunter: Book Review - "Future Jihad" - Part 3: Methods of the Jihad

An NRO Primary Document on National Review Online
 
bhkad, I've already proven you wrong before, do I have to do it again?

Jihadists (and this is what you put in another one of your ridiculous posts) think they have to take control of all nations that were either A) primarily Muslim at one time, B) are primarily Muslim now or C) pose a threat to them.

We are neither and never will be if we stop messing around with them, be A), B), or C). So what is your point?
 
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