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Ron Paul may quickly go from cellar dweller to Republican frontrunner

Ok, try purchasing big ticket items such as a car, tv, etc... and anything else for that matter than can be taxed without using a legal tender.

You are perfectly free to do so, if you can find someone willing to sell you a big-ticket item using some other type of payment.

Goldenboy219 said:
You cannot use euro's gold or anything else for that matter to purchase taxed items.

You're simply wrong. Payment can be in whatever the hell you want it to be. You seem to misunderstand what "legal tender" means. It does NOT mean that the US dollar is the only kind of cash you can use, it just means that you can't refuse to accept the US dollar if you're willing to accept other kinds of cash.

Goldenboy219 said:
As for our monetary policy, it is against personal responsibility...

A vague answer, but I expected no more. What exactly about our monetary policy is "against personal responsibility," and how does the gold standard rectify this problem?
 
You having to accept it if something is for sale for a specific price, yes, you have to take it in fulfillment of all debts, but that doesn't mean exchanges are illegal that don't involve money. I'm sure there's some bizarre tax law for certain specific situations,

Correct. Payments made with foreign or artificial currencies are still subject to US tax laws, and are based on the exchange rate (although I'm not sure if they're historical or present exchange rates). And I believe that barter is also considered taxable in some circumstances.
 
So you are saying that if someone has a car that I want and I have a boat that they want, we cannot just trade? Me thinks you might be imagining things again.

nope, you will have to transfer titles. And you will have to say it costs this much etc...

Not that everyone does this when they purchase cars, etc... for more than what they list for the sales tax. But, if you were to get audited, you probably would get caught.

And if its value exceeds $12k, than that is considered a gift. It would be cheaper to pay sales tax(in some states) on that $12k than the gift tax.
 
nope, you will have to transfer titles. And you will have to say it costs this much etc...

Not that everyone does this when they purchase cars, etc... for more than what they list for the sales tax. But, if you were to get audited, you probably would get caught.

And if its value exceeds $12k, than that is considered a gift. It would be cheaper to pay sales tax(in some states) on that $12k than the gift tax.
My bad. I should have used an example that does not require a title transfer.

BTW, who audits private citizens for sales tax evasion. I've never heard of anyone getting that call. Have you?

So back to your thesis. You are saying that if someone has a gun collection I want and I have a house full of furniture they want, it would be a federal offense for us to just trade?
 
Commodities can already be treated as a currency. When you get your paycheck, you can immediately buy gold with it. When you need cash, sell some of your gold. That's essentially the same thing as what you're proposing.

I'm not sure if you are really this ignorant or just a disinformation type poster.

When the value of a dollar raises in relation to other currencies do you pay a gain tax on that increase?

Eliminate this and all legal tender laws - then they will be on equal footing.
 
My bad. I should have used an example that does not require a title transfer.

BTW, who audits private citizens for sales tax evasion. I've never heard of anyone getting that call. Have you?

So back to your thesis. You are saying that if someone has a gun collection I want and I have a house full of furniture they want, it would be a federal offense for us to just trade?

To trade a gun collection??? Most definitely because most guns have to be registered unless your talking about single shot muzzle loaders or pistols.

There is a gray area. Do you pay a payroll taken from the pay of a babysitter??? Of course not. And you wont get busted from the feds for not doing so.

BTW, random auditing happens every year.

My original argument is this: using the Liberty Dollars as circulating currency could actually be a federal crime, according to the United States Mint.

I know this because there are dozens of people who are being arrested for it. And if this goes for liberty dollars, why would it not apply for any other non us legal tender?
 
I'm not sure if you are really this ignorant or just a disinformation type poster.

When the value of a dollar raises in relation to other currencies do you pay a gain tax on that increase?

No. Are you suggesting that is a bad thing? :confused:

ARealConservative said:
Eliminate this and all legal tender laws - then they will be on equal footing.

Yawn. Nothing is stopping you from conducting all of your business transactions in gold (or anything else), if your business partner agrees.
 
To trade a gun collection??? Most definitely because most guns have to be registered unless your talking about single shot muzzle loaders or pistols.
You better recheck your facts about gun registration, especially as it relates to individuals, ie non-gun dealers and also concerning most long guns.

There is a gray area. Do you pay a payroll taken from the pay of a babysitter??? Of course not. And you wont get busted from the feds for not doing so.
I assume you mean a payroll tax and yes I would if I had need of a baby sitter. As I do not intend to get pregnant, this is not a real concern though. I do pay payroll taxes for my house keeper. :doh

BTW, random auditing happens every year.
Of private individuals that do not own/run/manage a retail business? That's a new one on me. Do you have some proof of that or is this another of your newspaper being bribed stories.

My original argument is this: using the Liberty Dollars as circulating currency could actually be a federal crime, according to the United States Mint.

I know this because there are dozens of people who are being arrested for it. And if this goes for liberty dollars, why would it not apply for any other non us legal tender?
Got a reference?
 
In response to Kandahar's question of my dislike for our current monetary policy in a more broad explanation.

First off, it allows banking cartels, which in turn have bank monopolies. Some might consider this a good thing IE; ability to keep stable. But that is only because they are constantly bailed out by the fed at any sign of a problem. Most or even all problems are the direct result of bad banking practices, and therefore should be allowed to be corrected naturally, instead of the latest instance of expanding the money supply.

Now many people would tend to disagree with me in terms of golds stability. The US dollar as is can be manipulated and therefore be devalued in attempts to lessen correction consequence. Gold on the other hand, if used as a backed currency cannot be manipulated by "hoarding" by banks or other various financial institutions in an attempt increase actual value by keeping it.

Reason be, by doing so, would you buy when the price is high, and sell when the price is low??? By saving "hoarding", you would be naturally decreaseing the supply of a given exchange (money), and therefore decreasing investment. Sure there would be a less than modest gain of deflation, but is that a more prosperous endeavor than investing and allowing for investment???

These NY banks all clam together to help cushion bad decisions and in turn do nothing to entail bad banking practices. You dont truly "learn" unless you are "messed with". Instead there is always this thought of safety and with that it removes responsibility for ones actions.

Do you feel its fair that the government only helps out consumers only if large corporate entities are in question???
 
You better recheck your facts about gun registration, especially as it relates to individuals, ie non-gun dealers and also concerning most long guns.

Sorry, you are correct in regards to hunting type weapons. But concealable handguns??? I do believe they must be registered regardless of where they are bought.

I assume you mean a payroll tax and yes I would if I had need of a baby sitter. As I do not intend to get pregnant, this is not a real concern though. I do pay payroll taxes for my house keeper. :doh

If a boy from the neighbor hood helped mow your lawn you would withhold taxes???:shock:

Of private individuals that do not own/run/manage a retail business? That's a new one on me. Do you have some proof of that or is this another of your newspaper being bribed stories.

Someone was bribed. I have no idea exactly who, but there should be no reason 3 public intoxications are reported and a marijuana arrest wouldnt. OT none the less.

http://www.bankrate.com/brm/itax/news/20020325a.asp

IRS audit - Random audit

How to Avoid Getting Audited by the IRS - Alpha Consumer (usnews.com)

Got a reference?

Liberty Dollar Arrest
 
It is only to obvious your appearant fear that this pathetic neo-con ideology is over!!! Its over!!! The generation that is mostly responsible for empowering such a wicked and deceptive bunch of politicians is in the midst of being replaced.

Ron Paul isnt a politician. Ron Paul isnt a radical.

What Dr. Paul represents is a Revolution. A revolution that is gaining political awareness and is brought together on the mindset of true freedom and critical thinking.

Both donkeys and elephants(minus the good doctor) have no interest of a population that is capable of critical thinking and the ability to factor out truth from propaganda. This is only too clear due to neither side (minus the good doctor) willing to budge from an education system that neither prepares children for the future or actually educates. Education is the ability to subtract oneself from interpretation. Would you call on the opinion of a person who's family was killed by a murderer to make decisions on capital punishment??? Hell no, because the likely hood of their opinion being completely biased is almost guaranteed.

True freedom encompasses freedom from ones self. Freedom from both bias and actual need. This is what should be demanded of a leader. Someone who refuses to let fear, money, and special interests get in the way of what is not only fair, but what was written in the most powerful document ever composed. This is what Ron Paul represents.

Some might say, "oh, he wont win", "oh he doesnt have a chance", "what he says doenst matter"... If you truly believe that, and you truly believe that your interests and ideas do not matter, than you are not truly free. Your just another mindless drone of a political machine that encompasses masses with the use of fear and deception.

The Ron Paul revolution has begun and already won regardless of who is in office. The idea is out there. What did the 1st president of the US say:.

That plant is growing every day. Not in the hearts and minds of a generation who is about to be replaced. In a generation that is just starting to take control.

Regardless of who wins, Dr. Paul will have sparked the brain that will actually change this country. He is 72 years old. But the message is out there, the message is growing. And your so afraid of this message, you and all the fear mongers will stop at nothing to stop it.

The message is FREEDOM

Would you LOVE it if America just stood by and did nothing while Iran endangered the world's stability with nukes and 11,000 missiles aimed at Israel and Southern Europe from their vantage point at the center of the Jihadist world and at the center of the worlds' major oil producing states?

Ron Paul's non-interventionist policy suggests this result.

And we act as if global aggression and the response to it were a newly crafted wrinkle in the affairs of man. Well, it is only a novel concept if you are unaware of history or if you choose to ignore history.

In the years before 1940 there were no signs that Germany could mount an invasion of America. And so, because they were ONLY threatening their neighbor states in Europe we stood by and did nothing. In time we came to learn that not only were we wrong about the Nazis' intentions but we were also wrong about their capabilities. And because we (and the rest of the free world) stood by, waiting around, doing nothing, hoping that we could remain non-interventionist, we allowed Germany to grow bigger, stronger, more dangerous, occupying more territory, defeating more countries, burning and destroying more cities, killing, raping and wounding more innocents. And ultimately, plumbing the depths, even further, of human depravity.

We stood by and did nothing and to what end?

That, due to the best of intentions we effectively guaranteed that we would one day HAVE to mount a world wide effort to stop the Nazis and save the world for liberty. That world wide effort resulted in the deaths of more than 72,000,000 people.

Seventy two million people dead.

Why?

Because the USA and the free world waited. Appeased. Hoped. Because we ignorantly stood by and did nothing in the face of aggression.

Some people saw the signs and spoke out early against the short sighted U.S. policy of non-interventionism. They knew that doing nothing in the face of aggression does not defuse a war it merely postpones it. And it virtually guaranteed that the global war that followed our standing by and doing nothing in the face of Nazi aggression would be much worse than if we had taken the necessary steps to eliminate Hitler, early on.

However, those people who saw and correctly interpreted Hitler's manipulations were shouted down by the non-interventionists of that day.

And now the non-interventionists of today seek to repeat those exact same errors in judgment.

To say that ALL of Ron Paul's supporters knowingly want us to wait until it's too late and allow Jihad to grow more virulent until the day when we are forced to fight a global war, would be wrong. Even though some who hide in their throng certainly DO feel that way. But whether those who detest our trying to prevent global war are spies and provocateurs or just innocents who fail to take seriously the lessons of 70 years ago, doesn't matter. What matters is that back then, as now, a misunderstood and underestimated force for evil took advantage of good people's desire for peace and mounted a campaign of global aggression, starting with one nation at a time, to enslave the entire world.

And non-interventionists thought the best course of action was to stand by and not meddle in other country's affairs.

Then. Now.
 
Sorry, you are correct in regards to hunting type weapons. But concealable handguns??? I do believe they must be registered regardless of where they are bought.
Hunting, target, plinking, self protection, and long guns used for almost anything else that are not specifically listed as an assault rifle.

What is your source concerning handguns?



If a boy from the neighbor hood helped mow your lawn you would withhold taxes???:shock:
If the dog had not stopped to take a crap would he have caught the rabbit? What the hell does a boy mowing a lawn have to do with this?

I use a lawn service and let them take care of their employee's taxes.


Someone was bribed. I have no idea exactly who, but there should be no reason 3 public intoxications are reported and a marijuana arrest wouldnt. OT none the less.
You accused the paper of taking bribes and when I questioned the paper and got the real story, you didn't even bother to respond. Do I need to look the thread up and provide a link for you to refresh your memory?


Are you really this clueless? These are about income taxes.

There is a big difference between trying to use an alternative currency at a retail establishment and your exaggerated claims. :roll:
 
Would you LOVE it if America just stood by and did nothing while Iran endangered the world's stability with nukes and 11,000 missiles aimed at Israel and Southern Europe from their vantage point at the center of the Jihadist world and at the center of the worlds' major oil producing states?

Dont try to compare German military might to that of global terrorists... You sound sill in doing so.


Ron Paul's non-interventionist policy suggests this result.

No, it suggests building friendship with nations and trading freely.

And we act as if global aggression and the response to it were a newly crafted wrinkle in the affairs of man. Well, it is only a novel concept if you are unaware of history or if you choose to ignore history.

What are the actual causes of this fanatical movement???

In the years before 1940 there were no signs that Germany could mount an invasion of America. And so, because they were ONLY threatening their neighbor states in Europe we stood by and did nothing. In time we came to learn that not only were we wrong about the Nazis' intentions but we were also wrong about their capabilities. And because we (and the rest of the free world) stood by, waiting around, doing nothing, hoping that we could remain non-interventionist, we allowed Germany to grow bigger, stronger, more dangerous, occupying more territory, defeating more countries, burning and destroying more cities, killing, raping and wounding more innocents. And ultimately, plumbing the depths, even further, of human depravity.

Neville Chamberlain, who was right there in Europe made that mistake, the US had nothing to do with it...

We stood by and did nothing and to what end?

Wrong, Chamberlain did nothing to enforce the restrictions implemented by the treaty of Versailles. We are and were on a separate continent...

That, due to the best of intentions we effectively guaranteed that we would one day HAVE to mount a world wide effort to stop the Nazis and save the world for liberty. That world wide effort resulted in the deaths of more than 72,000,000 people.

The US was known for giving aid to allied forces even before Pearl Harbor.


Because the USA and the free world waited. Appeased. Hoped. Because we ignorantly stood by and did nothing in the face of aggression.

That was Europe's war. Chamberlain screwed up by not having the balls nor intelligence to enforce treaties that would have prevented this. Only when we were directly attacked by allies of Axis forces were we to intervene. Who's fault was it not to know of and protect from Japanese military expansion??? That would be our own... Would Japan have been able to attack with such accuracy if we were more alert and in acknowledgment of their capabilities???

Some people saw the signs and spoke out early against the short sighted U.S. policy of non-interventionism. They knew that doing nothing in the face of aggression does not defuse a war it merely postpones it. And it virtually guaranteed that the global war that followed our standing by and doing nothing in the face of Nazi aggression would be much worse than if we had taken the necessary steps to eliminate Hitler, early on.

Those were the British. Germany started to break pact as early as 1919, and most serious violations in 1922. It was the nations who were actually bound to Versailles (US was never a LON member nor did we ratify the TOV).

However, those people who saw and correctly interpreted Hitler's manipulations were shouted down by the non-interventionists of that day.

Again, blame Chamberlain, or any other European nation that decided not to uphold their own treaty...

And now the non-interventionists of today seek to repeat those exact same errors in judgment.

What are you fvcking stupid??? Nazi Germany was allowed to militarize (TOV violation) not because on a non interventionist foreign policy of the Europeans, but because of fear to hold Germany to a contract because of potential war.

Your argument is not only out of context, but quite feeble in respects to the military power of global terror.

To say that ALL of Ron Paul's supporters knowingly want us to wait until it's too late and allow Jihad to grow more virulent until the day when we are forced to fight a global war, would be wrong. Even though some who hide in their throng certainly DO feel that way. But whether those who detest our trying to prevent global war are spies and provocateurs or just innocents who fail to take seriously the lessons of 70 years ago, doesn't matter. What matters is that back then, as now, a misunderstood and underestimated force for evil took advantage of good people's desire for peace and mounted a campaign of global aggression, starting with one nation at a time, to enslave the entire world.

What did the no.1 target in the war on terror specifically state as to why he endorses global terror against the US????

I hate to have to post this again, but maybe this time you will read or at least respond to this:
What is the meaning of your call for Muslims to take arms against America in particular, and what is the message that you wish to send to the West in general?

The call to wage war against America was made because America has spear-headed the crusade against the Islamic nation, sending tens of thousands of its troops to the land of the two Holy Mosques over and above its meddling in its affairs and its politics, and its support of the oppressive, corrupt and tyrannical regime that is in control. These are the reasons behind the singling out of America as a target. And not exempt of responsibility are those Western regimes whose presence in the region offers support to the American troops there. We know at least one reason behind the symbolic participation of the Western forces and that is to support the Jewish and Zionist plans for expansion of what is called the Great Israel. Surely, their presence is not out of concern over their interests in the region. ... Their presence has no meaning save one and that is to offer support to the Jews in Palestine who are in need of their Christian brothers to achieve full control over the Arab Peninsula which they intend to make an important part of the so called Greater Israel. ...

And non-interventionists thought the best course of action was to stand by and not meddle in other country's affairs.

Then. Now.

Totally different times, threats, and mindset. First off, Germany already desired and attempted the domination of Europe. Second, it is intervention of sovereign nations that causes blowback, and in turn causes religious fanatics to be able to recruit so effectively geared towards a radicalized endeavor. Third, China is building currently the largest navy in the history of the world right now as we speak. Very similar to that military expansion of Germany, as China has more than enough man power, and natural resources to wage a war on scale of that of WWI & II World Tribune — Analyst: China building world’s largest navy as U.S. sea power is in 'absolute decline' . Do you believe we should attack them right now while they are still relatively weak??? Cause i'll tell ya what, they will not be as vulnerable as they are now.

Your so completely full of $hit that it is nearly impossible to take anything you say seriously. You draw false conclusions on a constant basis in the name of fear based war mongering. If you were truly afraid of another catastrophic event on scale with WWII, than you would be looking to Pakistan and China. Both are expanding militarily, both have nuclear weapons, and both are ambitious.

Next time you wish to turn a thread about voting into a Jihad threat campaign, try not and use such propaganda that is both contradictory and contextually irrelevant...
 
Hunting, target, plinking, self protection, and long guns used for almost anything else that are not specifically listed as an assault rifle.

What is your source concerning handguns?

That depends on your state. Many states require you to register all handguns.

If the dog had not stopped to take a crap would he have caught the rabbit? What the hell does a boy mowing a lawn have to do with this?

I use a lawn service and let them take care of their employee's taxes.

My whole point is not everyone is going to report every possible tax entity.

You accused the paper of taking bribes and when I questioned the paper and got the real story, you didn't even bother to respond. Do I need to look the thread up and provide a link for you to refresh your memory?

I remember your response quite well. I also remember the site being down in the midst of your response and in turn i neglected to check every response to every post of mine when the site was back and running. Sorry, but you could have PM'd me and i might have been willing to be a little more personal with information. Certain things are not public business of this forum.


Are you really this clueless? These are about income taxes.

Are you really that clueless to the nature of an audit???

There is a big difference between trying to use an alternative currency at a retail establishment and your exaggerated claims. :roll:

That is my point. Kandahar stated that if a store wanted to use any type of currency and deny legal tender, they are allowed to do so:
Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
I don't know what you're talking about. It isn't a federal offense to use things other than US dollars. If you want to start a store that only accepts payment in gold, or euros, or widgets, there is no law against it. You can even create your own currency if you want. A few localities in the US have done so.

I stated it is illegal and is being cracked down on by the fed reserve. The whole point is, how can sales taxes be reported if the money is not of US dollars???

What is the means of conversion of ithica dollars to US??? Or the liberty dollar for that manner???
 
That depends on your state. Many states require you to register all handguns.
Which ones.



My whole point is not everyone is going to report every possible tax entity.
And ... ?



I remember your response quite well. I also remember the site being down in the midst of your response and in turn i neglected to check every response to every post of mine when the site was back and running. Sorry, but you could have PM'd me and i might have been willing to be a little more personal with information. Certain things are not public business of this forum.
I did not want any of your personal info. You publicly accused the newspaper for accepting bribes and I thought it sounded fishy so I talked to the paper. They explained their policy and when I posted it, you ignored it. I do not remember the site being down for any significant amount of time since I was checking to see if you had responded. The relevance is that there seems to be a pattern here. :roll:



Are you really that clueless to the nature of an audit???
Nope, not at all. I have been through a couple of IRS audits and they were concerned with income and payroll taxes, not sales/use taxes. The states are the ones that impose sales tax so why on earth do you think the Feds (I assume you know the IRS is Federal) would be auditing sales and use taxes? Your imagination must be running wide open on this topic.


That is my point. Kandahar stated that if a store wanted to use any type of currency and deny legal tender, they are allowed to do so:

I stated it is illegal and is being cracked down on by the fed reserve. The whole point is, how can sales taxes be reported if the money is not of US dollars???
...
Maybe you should be a little more specific and not make such exaggerated claims. ;)
 
Which ones.

Illinois does for sure. If you care to know anymore, research yourself.

I did not want any of your personal info. You publicly accused the newspaper for accepting bribes and I thought it sounded fishy so I talked to the paper. They explained their policy and when I posted it, you ignored it. I do not remember the site being down for any significant amount of time since I was checking to see if you had responded. The relevance is that there seems to be a pattern here. :roll:

The site was down for at least 5 days. By that time, i forgot about our converstion. You could have PM'd me to get a little more information, but that seems like it wasnt your intention at all...



Nope, not at all. I have been through a couple of IRS audits and they were concerned with income and payroll taxes, not sales/use taxes. The states are the ones that impose sales tax so why on earth do you think the Feds (I assume you know the IRS is Federal) would be auditing sales and use taxes? Your imagination must be running wide open on this topic.


You were originally referring to title transfer where you not??? That was my point. If you were to trade a car for a boat, and were to be audited that same year, they might want to see how much you paid for the particular item, and how much you received. Especially in the case of you profiting in that particular transaction.

Maybe you should be a little more specific and not make such exaggerated claims. ;)

Maybe you should try not being pessimistic in regards to everything... It is of interest of the Fed to control currency. If not, they lose a considerable amount of power.

You didnt answer my question though. What is the rate of exchange in regards to liberty dollars or ithica dollars relative to the US dollar???
 
Illinois does for sure. If you care to know anymore, research yourself.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldenboy219
That depends on your state. Many states require you to register all handguns.

You are the one that said many. I guess you are just exaggerating agian. :roll:




The site was down for at least 5 days. By that time, i forgot about our converstion. You could have PM'd me to get a little more information, but that seems like it wasnt your intention at all...
I don't have time tonight to check it out. Next week I'll look up the thread and see what the posting dates were.






You were originally referring to title transfer where you not??? That was my point. If you were to trade a car for a boat, and were to be audited that same year, they might want to see how much you paid for the particular item, and how much you received. Especially in the case of you profiting in that particular transaction.
There was nothing in those posts that referred to income. They were about sales and use tax and I admitted I had used a bad example.


Maybe you should try not being pessimistic in regards to everything... It is of interest of the Fed to control currency. If not, they lose a considerable amount of power.
The Fed yes, not the IRS but apparently you do not understand the difference. You posts just seem to set off my BS detector on a regular basis.


You didnt answer my question though. What is the rate of exchange in regards to liberty dollars or ithica dollars relative to the US dollar???
Don't know, don't care. Next question.
 
You are the one that said many. I guess you are just exaggerating agian. :roll:

Are you so lazy that you call me out, yet fail to look something up so easy. Coming from someone who is willing to touch base with various newspaper agencies and ask if they are bias. Than have the nerve to tell me to beware of anyone in power. But i understand, come on, your nit picking.

All i was saying is its illegal to pass anything off as alternate currency, hence a federal offense. According to the Secret Service. Who happen to be the strong arm of the US mint...

Which states have the highest population???

I don't have time tonight to check it out. Next week I'll look up the thread and see what the posting dates were.

Will your BS-ometer go off if it was 6 days??? Or how about 113 hrs??? Come on TOJ:mrgreen:

There was nothing in those posts that referred to income. They were about sales and use tax and I admitted I had used a bad example.

Im not trying to sound silly or full of ****, but who is the branch responsible for determining if you pay your taxes or not. Determining if you pay a sales tax is quite important to determining your total taxable income of the year. A sales tax paid on a car would qualify for a deduction on a person's 1040. So would a sales tax paid on various items throughout the year.

Meaning, it is relevant in regards to IRS auditors to know how much you paid in sales tax. They are not just overlooking your credits and assessing your debts...


The Fed yes, not the IRS but apparently you do not understand the difference. You posts just seem to set off my BS detector on a regular basis.

That just might have something to do with it wanting to go off on a regular basis. And i just might not take things at face value just as you do not...


Don't know, don't care. Next question.

So if it is legal to pay for something using a form or currency other than US dollars, and you are the type of person that provides the IRS with every possible tax collection opportunity, how is it you would pay taxes on forms of alternative currency, wheat, oil certificates, etc...??? Im just asking, because if it was me, the last thing i would be concerned about is requiring a person pay their sales tax on items they purchased from me in a trade of alternate currency...
 
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That is my point. Kandahar stated that if a store wanted to use any type of currency and deny legal tender, they are allowed to do so

No, stores can deny legal tender if they don't want to be paid in currency at all, and stores can accept any form of currency they want as long as they also accept US dollars.

In other words, you're perfectly free to start a business that buys and sells everything in gold. And if you can't convince other businesses/customers to go along with it, you're still free to buy/sell in US dollars, then immediately invest them in gold.
 
No, stores can deny legal tender if they don't want to be paid in currency at all, and stores can accept any form of currency they want as long as they also accept US dollars.

In other words, you're perfectly free to start a business that buys and sells everything in gold. And if you can't convince other businesses/customers to go along with it, you're still free to buy/sell in US dollars, then immediately invest them in gold.

Yeah, a lot of stores around here acepte pesos.
 
acepten pesos, please. :cool:

It all started with Pizza Patrón; no, that's not true, there were already lots of small Mexican-owned Mom and Pop businesses- neighborhood markets, bakeries, etc- accepting pesos.
But Pizza Patrón was the first major corporation to take the plunge, and it's made them successful beyond their wildest imaginings.
 
No. Are you suggesting that is a bad thing? :confused:



Yawn. Nothing is stopping you from conducting all of your business transactions in gold (or anything else), if your business partner agrees.

yawn - then I have to pay a gain tax because the dollar is tanking.

And of course I am still forced to accept tanking dollars.

But thanks for playing - it looks like ignorance is the MO.
 
yawn - then I have to pay a gain tax because the dollar is tanking.

And of course I am still forced to accept tanking dollars.

But thanks for playing - it looks like ignorance is the MO.

Looks like that to me too. But not on Kandahar's part.
 
Looks like that to me too. But not on Kandahar's part.

Ohh goody -both dis info guys are playing now.

The fact is fiat wouldn't work by given me the freedom I seek. You can't allow the competition and you know it.

You aren't ignorant - you just debate dishonestly.
 
Ohh goody -both dis info guys are playing now.

The fact is fiat wouldn't work by given me the freedom I seek. You can't allow the competition and you know it.

You aren't ignorant - you just debate dishonestly.

*yawn*

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