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Romani, Gypsies, Roma etc - which terms do you use - or have you used?

I use - or have used ...

  • Romani

    Votes: 4 33.3%

  • Gypsies

    Votes: 10 83.3%

  • Roma

    Votes: 4 33.3%

  • tsigane

    Votes: 1 8.3%

  • Zigeuner

    Votes: 1 8.3%

  • Sinti

    Votes: 1 8.3%

  • Sinti & Roma

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    12
In Germany there is a discussion whether to say "Zigeuner" or "Sinti & Roma".
Is there also a similar discussion in the US?
 
There is also a lot of other terms:

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More of them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people
 
@ Romani Americans
It is estimated that there are one million Romani people in the United States, occasionally known as American Gypsies. Though the Romani population in the United States has largely assimilated into American society, the largest concentrations are in Southern California, the Pacific Northwest, Texas and the Northeast as well as in cities such as Chicago and St. Louis.[1][2]

The largest wave of Romani immigrants came from the Balkan region in the late 19th century following the abolition of Romani slavery in 1864,[1] which occurred as the Ottoman Empire was weakening. Romani immigration to the United States has continued at a steady rate ever since, with an increase of Romani immigration occurring in the late 20th century following the collapse of communism in Central and Eastern Europe.[1]

The size of the Romani American population and the absence of a historical and cultural presence, such as the Romani have in Europe, make Americans largely unaware of the existence of the Romani as a people.[1] The term's lack of significance within the United States prevents many Romani from using the term around non-Romani: identifying themselves by nationality rather than heritage.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_Americans
 
Rumpel said:
Which terms have you used?
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I use Gypsy

I am not into this politically correct “Romani” stuff. It’s clearly an attempt to sound more European when in fact they’re transients from India. And also a problem. When I was in Europe these people are everywhere trying to guilt tourists into giving them money, I only saw them beg or steal.

I learned very quick when they try to run their scam you look at them, say “NO!” And look away.
 
I've always used the term gypsy, although I gather that's no longer considered politically correct. Honestly they don't come up too much here in the US.
 
Irish Travelers
 
EMNofSeattle said:
And also a problem. When I was in Europe these people are everywhere trying to guilt tourists into giving them money, I only saw them beg or steal.
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I had actually experienced such a trick robbery!
But luckily for me, these gypsy ladies had been watched for some time by the police.
And a second before they could take my purse away, the whole group was surrounded by plain clothes police.
And these gypsies had been caught in the act.
 
Moot said:
Irish Travelers
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They are a different kettle of fish - they are not gypsies.

Irish Travellers (Irish: an lucht siúil, meaning "the walking people"), also known as Pavees or Mincéirs[5] (Shelta: Mincéirí)[6] are a nomadic indigenous ethnic group whose members maintain a set of traditions,[7][8] and are one of several groups identified as "Travellers". They are predominantly English-speaking, though many also speak Shelta, a language of mixed English and Irish origin. Religiously, the majority of Irish Travellers are Catholic, the predominant religion in the Republic of Ireland.

Although they are often referred to as "Gypsies", Irish Travellers are not genetically related to the Romani.[9][10] Genetic analysis has shown Travellers to be of Irish extraction, and that they likely diverged from the settled Irish population in the 1600s, during the time of the Cromwellian conquest of Ireland. The centuries of separation has led to Travellers becoming genetically distinct from the settled Irish.[11] Traveller rights groups long advocated for ethnic status from the Irish government, succeeding in 2017.[2]

Irish Travellers mostly live in Ireland, as well as in large communities in the United Kingdom, the United States and Canada.[12] As of 2016, there are 32,302 Travellers within Ireland.[13] They represent 0.7% of the total population of the Republic of Ireland.[14] There are different estimates about the size of the total population of people with Gypsy ancestry, because many people of Gypsy descent do not declare themselves Gypsy. The United Kingdom alone is believed to be home to up to 300,000 Traveller people.[15]
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Irish Travellers - Wikipedia

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Rumpel said:
I had actually experienced such a trick robbery!
But luckily for me, these gypsy ladies had been watched for some time by the police.
And a second before they could take my purse away, the whole group was surrounded by plain clothes police.
And these gypsies had been caught in the act.
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I fell for the first scam they tried to run on me, almost worked, some gypsy woman (first time in Europe) who looked kind of transient asked me for food, now I am used to homeless in America who typically are drug users or mentally ill but who normally beg and will accept food, so I agree to this, suddenly three or four more of them show up and begin trying to beg for cash and that’s when I realized how this works.

Later a shopkeeper in Norway told me how to deal with Gypsies, ignore them, except to ask the women why their husbands can’t work an honest job like normal people.

Show them contempt and they won’t bother you.

Of course I occasionally will hear American travel writers and activists talk about how the gypsies are so discriminated against in Europe and how they are poor and everything, well yes, most sane societies discriminate against people who scam and steal because they’re unwilling to work.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Later a shopkeeper in Norway told me how to deal with Gypsies, ignore them, except to ask the women why their husbands can’t work an honest job like normal people.

Show them contempt and they won’t bother you.
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Street scam artists and beggars exist just about everywhere. No need to be a dickhead to them. Just shake your head indicating 'no' and they'll leave you alone.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Of course I occasionally will hear American travel writers and activists talk about how the gypsies are so discriminated against in Europe and how they are poor and everything, well yes, most sane societies discriminate against people who scam and steal because they’re unwilling to work.
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Yes, that is the normal reaction.
And this is the Gypsies' fault, and not our fault.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Later a shopkeeper in Norway told me how to deal with Gypsies, ignore them, except to ask the women why their husbands can’t work an honest job like normal people.

Show them contempt and they won’t bother you
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And this is one of the main problems associated with tsiganes...
their integration into society is very problematic. Their social detachment, isolation, complete unwillingness to participate in public and political affairs, in the countries where they live, causes a number of problems that countries simply do not know how to solve.
Main theses:
1) Deprivation of education for children. They send children to schools, if there are still some boys, then there are no girls at all.
2) Marriages are made among children up to the age of consent. In 12-13 years... and children sometimes do not know each other until the moment of the wedding.
There are also aspects of the low legal status of women, but I think especially radical Muslims will not see anything terrible in this.

In Russia, any attempts by the state to interfere in such things among tziganestsiganes caused a barrage of criticism and just howling to the skies from human rights organizations that this is xenophobia, trample on culture and the second Holocaust. Therefore, the state has withdrawn itself from solving these problems with tziganes... as I understand it, this has been done everywhere on the planet.

My personal opinion is that this is unacceptable. If some adult womens like to live in complete subordination to her husband and support him at the same time... that's their business. But children should not live like this.
For example, if I treated my children in the same way (which of course is impossible), I would have been deprived of my parental rights and taken away my children long ago. And that's fine. A child has the right to education, regardless of their nationality and race, regardless of what cultural nonsense is in the parents ' head. No one has the right to force a child to enter into an intimate relationship and marry him without his consent.
 
In Germany the politically correct expression for gypsy or Zigeuner is especially dumb.

You cannot say "I have seen a gypsy today" any more.
You must say: "I have seen a Sinti & Roma today" - even though it was just one person.

Same as you couldn't say "I have seen a German today" but must say "I have seen a "Bavarian & Prussian today" - even though it was just one person.
But politically correct people know no logic.
 
Allan said:
Street scam artists and beggars exist just about everywhere. No need to be a dickhead to them. Just shake your head indicating 'no' and they'll leave you alone.
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Yeah but the Gypsies are an entire race of people dedicated to that.

A small minority of blacks act in anti-social manners. A small minority of whites act in anti-social ways, a small minority of Hispanics act in anti-social ways.

The entire Gypsie culture acts in anti-social manners and because they’re a whole ethnicity any effort to address the problems they cause gets drowned up by wealthy white activists who live nowhere near where they scam folks.
 
I have used the term "gypsies" and my mother claims that we are from "Gypsy blood" (she blames it for her tendency to not want to put down roots, to travel around the country). Lately I do try to use the term "Romani" though.

My favorite superhero/hero is Romani.
 
Fabiusbile said:
And this is one of the main problems associated with tsiganes...
their integration into society is very problematic. Their social detachment, isolation, complete unwillingness to participate in public and political affairs, in the countries where they live, causes a number of problems that countries simply do not know how to solve.
Main theses:
1) Deprivation of education for children. They send children to schools, if there are still some boys, then there are no girls at all.
2) Marriages are made among children up to the age of consent. In 12-13 years... and children sometimes do not know each other until the moment of the wedding.
There are also aspects of the low legal status of women, but I think especially radical Muslims will not see anything terrible in this.

In Russia, any attempts by the state to interfere in such things among tziganestsiganes caused a barrage of criticism and just howling to the skies from human rights organizations that this is xenophobia, trample on culture and the second Holocaust. Therefore, the state has withdrawn itself from solving these problems with tziganes... as I understand it, this has been done everywhere on the planet.

My personal opinion is that this is unacceptable. If some adult womens like to live in complete subordination to her husband and support him at the same time... that's their business. But children should not live like this.
For example, if I treated my children in the same way (which of course is impossible), I would have been deprived of my parental rights and taken away my children long ago. And that's fine. A child has the right to education, regardless of their nationality and race, regardless of what cultural nonsense is in the parents ' head. No one has the right to force a child to enter into an intimate relationship and marry him without his consent.
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I don’t even really care about their internal culture in how they structure their family, it’s their lack of morals, their willingness to steal from non Gypsies, their scams and street hustles and generally being a parasite to the societies they live in that’s the problem.

There’s a reason they’re nomadic and try to leech off of other societies, if you forced them to live a province with other Gypsies their society would rapidly collapse without an external source of wealth to such resources out of.
 
Not all heroes wear capes! If you are ever in Europe and see a gypsy, this is exactly how you should treat them. Break up their scams.
 
Being very old (84), I always used the term that everyone else did: Gypsy.

Now if I had any occasion to mention them (such occasions being very rare), I guess that I would use "Romani people."

I know that they have a bad reputation (no need to be specific), so I want to be as respectful as possible.
 
Ironic thread considering the OP’s country’s method of dealing with these people in the last century…..
 
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