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Rogue One: A Star Wars Story

Mach said:
You're comparing apples to oranges. Compare Ren to young apprentice Vader.

Ren - seems interesting, kinda dark and cool, still young edges but worked some issues maturely, does throw one small tantrum but it had a bit of comic appeal. Gets wounded(?), and fights two saber fights and is foiled at the end. Doesn't hard lose, but he lost.
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Teen Vader - cries like a bitch, gets the **** kicked out of him left and right, takes his anger out on sandpeople children, cries like a bitch some more, gets hand sliced off, makes you throw up when he tries to romance Natalie, won't listen to McGregor-wan (who would not listen to him? He was the pinnacle of calm wisdom), and gets cut in half like the girl he was. He had to basically kill himself with stupidity to become Vader.
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He got psychically overpowered - not once, but twice - by someone half his size, and then got slashed to ribbons while he lurched around like a mope. They finished it all off with a (highly symbolic, and humiliating) slash right across his "pretty boy" face.

The only reason he's still alive, in point of fact, is because Rey consciously chose to spare him when he was at her mercy.

That's what I'd call a rather definitively "hard" loss. Granted, he smacked around the comic relief a little bit, but anyone - and everyone in this movie, really - does that, including a simple stormtrooper with a stun baton, and they don't even make it look hard. Against the person that actually matters, he got his ass kicked.

Up until that point, he'd actually been given a fairly respectful depiction. He rages out on that one officer, but that was clearly meant to be more of a homage to (and one-upping of) Vader's antics than "comic." The "comic" freak out only comes after he runs into Rey, and she hard-stops him trying to read his mind and subsequently escapes.

Honestly... Basically the only time Kylo really loses his "bad ass" cred at all is when dealing with Rey. At all other times, he's a more than competent and menacing villain.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
There are some novel adaptations that are good.
Iirc, "Ender's Game" was good.

If you like bleak but well done "The Road" is art, imo.
It's just that a lot of these well done movies aren't really "pop culture" so they don't sell.
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Wasn't the road the movie that came with anti depressant medication and a counseling session immediately after? It took bleak to an art form.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Transformers is ok.
It's entertaining, not really anything more than that.
Good story can overcome bad CGI though.
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Yeah, it's a good popcorn movie.

I never really expected Michael Bay to put a well-written movie on screen anyways.

I really like the 2007's CGI. That one was really good, probably because the transformers did not really have a human-esque figure. Transformers 4 on the other hand, looks fake as ****.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Plot.
Example, "Book of Eli" it's a fun movie, but goes way out to left field.
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Book of Eli is like the tequila-induced happy hour of post-apocalypse movies. The Road is the long and grueling hangover.
 
Gathomas88 said:
No "targeting computer." He didn't need it, because an otherworldly entity intervened and told him to "use the force" instead.
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Disembodied Obi-Wan tells Luke to "use the force, let go". Luke stops, does so, and he destroys major star base with a 1 in a 1000 shot with no targeting system.

Maz Kanata implores Rey to let "The Light" guide her. Rey finally stops, recalls the statement and does so, and defeats an injured dark force padawan.

TOTALLY DIFFERENT THINGS! Rey is horrible! Luke was great! GURLLLLLLL POWERSZZZZZZ GWAHAHHA!!!
 
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Zyphlin said:
Disembodied Obi-Wan tells Luke to "use the force". Luke stops, does so, and he destroys major star base with a 1 in a 1000 shot with no targeting system.

Maz Kanata implores Rey to let "The Light" guide her. Rey finally stops, recalls the statement and does so, and defeats an injured dark force padawan.

TOTALLY DIFFERENT THINGS! Rey is horrible! Luke was great! GURLLLLLLL POWERSZZZZZZ GWAHAHHA!!!
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She effortlessly pimp slaps a guy we're supposed to view, per J.J. Abrams, as being a "next generation villain, just as powerful as Darth Vader," with a weapon she's never even used before, with no training. Somehow, we're expected to take this guy seriously the next time they face off, because they chose to keep him around as the villain, instead of killing him off.

Yes, compared to Luke merely firing a missile slightly straighter than someone else (Hell! A complete force non-adept actually came damn close to making that shot themselves), that is "totally different."
 
Gathomas88 said:
She effortlessly pimp slaps a guy we're supposed to view, per J.J. Abrams, as being a "next generation villain, just as powerful as Darth Vader," with a weapon she's never even used before, with no training. Somehow, we're expected to take this guy seriously the next time they face off, because they chose to keep him around as the villain, instead of killing him off.

Yes, compared to Luke merely firing a missile slightly straighter than someone else (Hell! A complete force non-adept actually came damn close to making that shot themselves), that is "totally different."
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Until we know who Rey's parents are we don't know how powerful she should be. If her parents are both force users and one of them is Luke Skywalker and the other is also a Jedi it would make sense her ability to use the force would be stronger than Kylo Ren's, as he only has one force sensitive parent.
 
Gathomas88 said:
She effortlessly pimp slaps a guy we're supposed to view, per J.J. Abrams, as being a "next generation villain, just as powerful as Darth Vader," with a weapon she's never even used before, with no training. Somehow, we're expected to take this guy seriously the next time they face off, because they chose to keep him around as the villain, instead of killing him off.

Yes, compared to Luke merely firing a missile slightly straighter than someone else (Hell! A complete force non-adept actually came damn close to making that shot themselves), that is "totally different."
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"Effortlessly."
 
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