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Robert a Heinlein the greatest American science fiction author has been spurned by the media. I think it is because of his libertarian politics.


This is gonna end well. I can sense it.
 
That is not fascism that is history. You need to read the book again. I don't care if you don't agree with it just don't mischaracterize it.
Seriously, in a class on the History and Philosophy of Morals, personal introspection plays no part?

That is not a class. It is indoctrination.
 
But of course Starship Troopers runs a poor second to Armor by John Steakley.

I mean, except one was written in 59 and the other in 84, stark difference in vision there.
 


Idiots: Violence never solves anything.
Me: Tell that to the Carthaginians. Oh, wait...

Thanks, RAH
 
Idiots: Violence never solves anything.
Me: Tell that to the Carthaginians. Oh, wait...

Thanks, RAH
Remember:

Note to self: Never employ reason, facts or logic in a discussion with someone who extols the virtue of ignorance.

If you don't mind me asking, what did the violence of sacking Carthage once, twice, thrice solve?
 
Seriously, in a class on the History and Philosophy of Morals, personal introspection plays no part?

That is not a class. It is indoctrination.
It is a civics class.
 
Remember:

Note to self: Never employ reason, facts or logic in a discussion with someone who extols the virtue of ignorance.

If you don't mind me asking, what did the violence of sacking Carthage once, twice, thrice solve?

It solved loads of things for the Romans.
 


You sound like a 4 year old.



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It solved loads of things for the Romans.
Sadly, not everyone was Roman, and where are the Romans now?

They are an interesting and cautionary history lesson, but one that has left an impressive legacy in the West.
 
Pretending to be history and philosophy.
That's what civics is. Where did you take it?
Civic education is the study of the theoretical, political and practical aspects of citizenship, as well as its rights and duties.
 
That's what civics is. Where did you take it?
Civic education is the study of the theoretical, political and practical aspects of citizenship, as well as its rights and duties.
Then why didn't it call itself a civics class, and what is a civics class other than indoctrination?
 
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Then why didn't it call itself a civics class, and what is a civics class other than indoctrination?
Don't ask me. Read the book and contribute.
 
Don't ask me. Read the book and contribute.
And about your question on my civics education, I'm not sure, though I do remember pledging allegiance to the flag and learning about my country's birth back in kindergarten of all places. One episode including learning and singing Yankee Doodle Dandy whereupon I asked immediately afterward why the Dandy put a feather in his cap and called it macaroni.

She told me, "It's just a song, Malcolm." I think she was already sick of my incessant questions, so it took me forty years to stumble upon the answer.
 
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The popular culture is what it is - it isn't an academic understanding, after all. It's a kind of near-mathematical flattening out (averaging) of the most salient tropes in media/news coverage, which itself tended to be fairly sanctimonious @ the time - in the 1960s & 1970s. If the mass media of the time had known enough to ask hard questions up front, we (the US, & the Vietnamese, & I suppose the World) could possibly have avoided a lot of hard knocks in SE Asia, especially VN, Cambodia, Laos, & nearby. The US military action in VN was very complicated, & hard to explain in any sensible way. That in & of itself generated a lot of problems for the US policymakers & military leadership - with domestic & international critics of the war.
 
I think it is dated and the predictions are not useful. All science fiction that shows the far future is just fantasy.


IMO even SF books with no predictive value may still be worthwhile because they capture something about the writer’s culture, but by coming at the subject matter from a different direction than would a realistic work.

I esteem a lot of Heinlein and Asimov but one reason they often don’t lend themselves to adaptation because both authors could be very talky and under characterized. When my book group read Harsh Mistress a while back, the only character everyone liked was the computer.

Today the religious Right doesn’t have a great deal of power to attack supposedly blasphemous works. But the Left might go after an adaptation of Stranger for toxic masculinity or something.

Philip Dick probably appeals more to adaptors because his characters are vigorous and easy to distinguish from each other, whether one can follow the plots or not. Martian Time Slip is an underrated Dick novel that’s very cinematic.
 
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